Casey_Risk wrote:
The justification makes passable sense. I think I remember a game with this role, but it’s a while back and I’m not going digging.
I think it was CoD Black Ops Mafia. There was a role like it in that game
Damn, you have a better memory for this stuff than I do. Well done.
Mikal wrote:
Which is exactly what bullish is doing BTW
And yes if casey flips town. Its very likely bullish unless you buy 3 hard investigative roles
A dreamer
Some motions detection time traveler
And a tracker
From my pov its heavy bullish but going casey covers all bases.
u realzie if you are scum, you have this perfectly set up for two mislynches with this logic? what happened to scum reading wf? that read evaporated quickly
wyt of mikal pointing to casey/bullish
whiteflame wrote:
Casey_Risk wrote:
The justification makes passable sense. I think I remember a game with this role, but it’s a while back and I’m not going digging.
I think it was CoD Black Ops Mafia. There was a role like it in that game
Damn, you have a better memory for this stuff than I do. Well done.
I pride myself on having really good game memory. It's probably my best quality as a Mafia player imho
VTL: Mikal
Bullish wrote:
I think it's possible, mechanically, that Mikal and whiteflame simply got put together into a PM as a scripted event, since they both claimed magnets. So it's possible no one will claim neighborizer.
Bullish wrote:
Neodymium and Samarium Cobalt come up as the top results for strongest magnetic metals.
This is actually a fascinating theory. I kind of buy it tbh
Im in a pm with him and he behaviorlly reads me as town. I dont think I ever hard scum read him. Trusted magics read at the end of the dp and cautiously sus but he seems town
Talking more in there than here ti problem solve. Hes very interested in solving. Pings me good
Banana wrote:
wyt of mikal pointing to casey/bullish
I can understand it. Bullish looks really off to me, and while I'm tempted to townread Casey, I get the paranoia about them being scum and using this to put attention elsewhere. It wouldn't be a first.
why does bullish look off to u
Casey_Risk wrote:
whiteflame wrote:
Casey_Risk wrote:
The justification makes passable sense. I think I remember a game with this role, but it’s a while back and I’m not going digging.
I think it was CoD Black Ops Mafia. There was a role like it in that game
Damn, you have a better memory for this stuff than I do. Well done.
I pride myself on having really good game memory. It's probably my best quality as a Mafia player imho
You have many good qualities as a Mafia player, but always good to have an ace in the hole.
"We are both sus of each other. Have talked a lot in chat but I can possibly two roles existing cus of mag flipping strengther."
Banana wrote:
why does bullish look off to u
To start, I don't know how much I buy the existence of a Dreamer/Tracker/Time Traveler in this game. I have good reason to buy the Tracker despite Rex not matching my results, and much as I have to question it, I think Casey is more likely than not telling the truth. So that leaves Bullish as the odd man out. On that front, his reaction to Casey's claim looks odd to me, as does his statement that his result implicated me. Chalking that last bit up to miscommunication, but still can't ignore it.
Cautiously sus yes
But we have hundreds of messages in there. Sus off the rip cus of the partial cc but looking at claims. I can buy it. I feel like wf is one of the easier people to resd for me for ogi reasons and behavior. Nothing has pegged me as scum other than similar claims.
Which after seeing claims. Is plausible
Mikal wrote:
You really didn't fucking read
I said if casey is scum you are prob town. The fuck are you looking at.
I don't understand, you're the one trying to convince me that casey could be scum, then you scum read me
Is there guaranteed to only be ONE scum in your results or could there be multiple?
Bro ffs
I swear you dont read
One of you two is scum at least imo
3 strong roles like that prob dont exist
If casey flips scum, it makes you almost a lock
If casey flips town, you are prob scum
The fact you are not even considering casey could be scum is weird as shit. It reads tmi. So yes that seems sus
As town you should be worried about casey. At least a little. Just saying 3 strong roles exist [dont see rex lying] is odd. As scum it makes perfect sense cus you dont want casey to die cus then you are in a 33 with luna and I and you look odd
Pointing out a scum you would not want her to die. A town you would be looking at the possibility its a fake claim
Yes its weird as fuck
RexFavilla wrote:
Is there guaranteed to only be ONE scum in your results or could there be multiple?
Guaranteed at least one, possibly more than one. Obviously it's highly unlikely that I happened to get three scum in my dream, but two is a possibility. Right now, I'm leaning towards either Luna or Bullish, slight possibility of both
Mikal wrote:
Bro ffs
I swear you dont read
I'm telling u it makes no sense bro
One of you two is scum at least imo
wrong from my perspective, cause I know I'm town and I gave reasoning for why I think casey is town
3 strong roles like that prob dont exist
We know we have a metric bazillion fuck ton of visiting/redirecting roles in this game, this weakens dreamer, motion detector, and tracker, also the tracker is 2x. It also looks like almost everyone has a role so this is not OP.
If casey flips scum, it makes you almost a lock
no
If casey flips town, you are prob scum
no
The fact you are not even considering casey could be scum is weird as shit. It reads tmi. So yes that seems sus
It's not weird as shit, you're the one who always thinks everyone is gambiting for no reason cause you gambit every chance you get. You thought Thoth was softing DP4 IC, most players don't do that.
As town you should be worried about casey. At least a little. Just saying 3 strong roles exist [dont see rex lying] is odd. As scum it makes perfect sense cus you dont want casey to die cus then you are in a 33 with luna and I and you look odd
I am not
Pointing out a scum you would not want her to die. A town you would be looking at the possibility its a fake claim
wrong, a scum me would want towndreamer to die wtf, that's not even a discussion.
Yes its weird as fuck
Im going to quit trying to articulate this. I asked wf was i making sense and he understood it and agreed with it. So either you are being obstinate because you are scum or just so confused its not worth beating a horse over. Maybe someone else can explain it in a way that sticks in your head. But don't know how else to lay this out in a way that's not going to just be repeating myself
Casey_Risk wrote:
RexFavilla wrote:
Is there guaranteed to only be ONE scum in your results or could there be multiple?
Guaranteed at least one, possibly more than one. Obviously it's highly unlikely that I happened to get three scum in my dream, but two is a possibility. Right now, I'm leaning towards either Luna or Bullish, slight possibility of both
Eh that sucks, if it were only one we would have better odds lynching outside your poe if you were town and we lynched you today.
Automated Vote Count
This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.
Mikal (2/6): Bullish (p#146), Banana (p#185)
Casey_Risk (1/6): Thoth (p#121)
Not Voting (8): Casey_Risk, Helz, Lunatic (p#155), Mag1cman (p#127), Mikal, RexFavilla, Shining, whiteflame
With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 12 hours.
I'm not sure it's actually so implausible that all the claimed investigative roles so far are real. I know mine is real at least and Rex seems pretty towny to me as well; I'm inclined to believe his claim. Bullish's is definitely the most sus one FMPOV, but Pie was the first one to include Time Traveler in one of his games and I can definitely see him reusing it, plus the justification makes enough sense to me. I also think it's possible to overrate how strong it is; unless someone claims that they moved when they didn't (unlikely), it's hard to unambiguously catch someone in a lie with it. This also seems to be a game with a lot of redirect potential especially given the town Strengthener, which weakens investigative roles somewhat. I also know that Pie as a mod intentionally includes pseudo-CCs in his games sometimes; Heroic Heroes being a good example (my role and JoeBob's were intentionally made very similar), and I don't think Tracker and Motion Detector being in the same game is too unusual anyway. The balance argument against Bullish is unconvincing to me personally
Is lunatic the only who's role is based off of his element's history rather than its properties?
Bullish wrote:
Is lunatic the only who's role is based off of his element's history rather than its properties?
This is a good question. I was about to say that my gut is telling me that Luna is scum here. Sharp observation!
You said bullish was in your poe in that list. If not that then what
My argument is two layered.
Its unlikely that many investigative roles exist. Could they exist, sure, but its incredibly strong and personally it makes me take pause.
So you or bullish
Even if they all exist because pie is on Crack. Someone as town should take pause of that and not just assume that. It bleeds tmi
Why bullish for you?
You said bullish was in your poe in that list. If not that then what
I don't quite understand your meaning here. Obviously if Bullish is town, then PoE says either you or Luna (or both) are scum.
Its unlikely that many investigative roles exist. Could they exist, sure, but its incredibly strong and personally it makes me take pause.
I think you're overrating the collective strength of these roles. Dreamer is very luck-based (I wouldn't have dreamt if anyone had visited me), and Motion Detector isn't that great either. Being time traveling does increase its utility, but only to a certain extent. Tracker is good, but still affected by the apparent redirection going on in this game. This game also had more players than usual, and we don't know what scum have.
Even if they all exist because pie is on Crack. Someone as town should take pause of that and not just assume that. It bleeds tmi
That's not unreasonable, but again the strength of this argument is contingent on how much I agree with you vis a vis balance in this game.
Alright if no one is updating the claim list I will
Claims:
Thoth - Oganesson - Hidden role until dp4 (post 4, dp1)
Kohai - Innocent child (Post 178, dp1)
Bullish - cesium - time traveler
Magoroth - Calcium - strengthener
Helz - ??? - I role block everyone that targets a player neutralizing everything.
Casey - magnesium - dreamer (with a special property)
RexFavilla - technetium - 2x tracker
Lunatic - kryton - compulsive hider
Mikal - cobalt - honestly idk what his role is it's like a redirector role (in a neighbor chat with wf)
Whiteflame - neodymium - lightning rod (vanillarized) (in a neighbor chat with mikal)
Shining - ???
Banana - ???
Mag1cMan - ???
Mikal wrote:
Why bullish for you?
I assume this was directed at me? He definitely could be scum, I'm not writing him off by any means. But his suggestion about you and WF being paired up in a chat as a scripted event, that's something that both seems plausible to me and something that scum would likely keep in their back pocket, at least for a bit. Less town knowledge = more town confusion = more chaos = good for scum
