Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP2

Pretty sure casey is a they/them or a female btw. Also casey was town in solo leveling so I am confused what you mean by that?

Meant to tag you

I think one, not both of whiteflame and mikal are scum. Their claims being so similar doesn't make sense if the yare on a scum team. Or its just a weird uncalculated play that they would have known would have drawn suspicion. I am leaning towards that being mikal based on the POE he's pushing, as well as being on the dreamer results.

The only reason to suspect casey seems to be hardline paranoia they are pulling a gambit, which is kind of dumb to me. I agree with banana and bullish that the fact that Mikal is pushing that way so hard looks like he is trying to set up mislynches for an easy LYLO based on mechanics.

I mean it's easy to town read people you are in a chat with. There iw inherent bias there cus you like 3x the messages and if they act weird, its noticeable. Both teams did this in solo leveling.

Not denying bias but hes posted there like 3x as much and has been consistent so dont see a reason to look his way atm

Bullish is screaming bad for tmi and role balance

Casey is poe and balance. But Casey's flip almost town locks or scum locks bullish to me.

Pretty sure one of them is scum

If casey flips town and the results are accurate then we know one us 3 are scum and we have another np to get more results with unclaimed people in our pocket to help. Dont see you claiming compulsive hider as scum. You dont do retarded fake claims and that Is just such a bad claim that id scum read it from most people who aren't experienced. But I know the effort you put in fake claims and cant draw that line

So a town casey from balance and results basically locks bullish as scum in my head

A casey lynch considering they are scum covers our bases and makes sure we aren't walking off a clip and in my head validates bullish because balance.

Mikal wrote:

No one should out what their roles are other than who has outed thus far. We have enough. Few people have been quiet and can be game changing pending what they are. Limits scum from trying to alter results or tsrget specific people. Unknown roles are our best tool for poe

But if we buy Casey's results then we have to just town lock them now otherwise we are put in a postion where they are on the table tomorrow if we lynch in the dream and someone flips town and then its (lylo) assuming 3 scum

Il not willing to blind trust the dreamer claim given scum can ask game specific questions and it came up after high amounts of pressure when they logically would be looked at hard

Casey's flip unfortunately is necessary imo to cover bases and make sure we are not blindly killing ourselves.

Im still thinking 1 scum between casey and bullish. Bullish for potential balance reasons and the tmi he has toward casey being locked and casey just for safety more than anything. Its not worth the risk to walk off a cliff if we are wrong

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Mikal wrote:

No one should out what their roles are other than who has outed thus far. We have enough. Few people have been quiet and can be game changing pending what they are. Limits scum from trying to alter results or tsrget specific people. Unknown roles are our best tool for poe

What I was trying to say before clankers went derpy and a weird half post came out was that I disagree. I think very specifically the person that made the chat should claim.

Them staying hidden holds no value and its almost certainly town. I see the value of having another player strongly town read as having greater value than PR insulation. Especially given I am our protective and I am already outed.

Bro how is thay setting up mislynches

You buy there are 3 op investigation roles and that there is no shot scum can fake claim a dreamer when they get questions about the game?

Sure im shoving hard but the alternative is go fuck it. Lynch on that list and potentially auto lose

Bullish is because nothing he had said is towny and he is bleeding tmi by not even considering the dreamer potentially being bad.

If im wrong about casey then from my poe its bullish but if you are town [you would know this]

Then you get to pressure me or him based on results. Where as he would shove me or you

Not like its easy mislynches lol.

We either hit scum and cover our bases

Or nail down a very specific poe

Im going to be on the table regardless and we get more results plus confirming if that poe is accurate without being at mylo and having to consider the dreamer there.

We lynch of one us on that list. Myself included.

And that person flips town

We are walking in tomorrow right back to having to guess whether casey is telling the truth and picking between 2 people on the lost.

Why do that when we can verify if they are scum and have a very specific poe.

From my pov your pov or bullishes pov

If casey flips town we have exactly a 50/50 to hit scum tomorrow

If casey us lying and we flip town. Then we are picking between the 2 others on that list and debating if casey is lying

Not sure how its not the answer. Cover bases

The fact no one can evaluate this is really perplexing and is really making question reads.

In no world is this not the correct play

Literally alternative is fuck it. Hope casey is being honest and potentially just auto lose

Anyway off lunch and going back to work. Not sure how else to say this

Ultimately major voices aren't listening so pointless to keep typing the same thing over and over, its just going to tilt me. More I try and explain it to luna. The more retarded hes going to get about it. We always death tunnel each other

But this is the correct path for covering bases, utility, and poe.

Do with that what you will

My analysis and playtime is going to drop off a steep cliff fair warning. Will do my best to play and be active but got stuff going on (nothing bad) thats kind of distracting me a lot from mafia.

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Casey_Risk (2/6): Thoth (p#121), Mikal (p#269)

Mikal (2/6): Bullish (p#146), Banana (p#185)

Not Voting (7): Casey_Risk, Helz, Lunatic (p#155), Mag1cman (p#127), RexFavilla, Shining, whiteflame

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So I'll just be clear about my thoughts on Casey as well.

I can't say I'm outright scumreading Casey, but I can see Mikal's point that lynching Casey would either verify their result or take down one scum. I'm balancing that against the likelihood that scum Casey claims this role before knowing what so many players did during the NP, which places them at great risk of being told they were visited. As Luna has already mentioned, he's taken that kind of risk before. It's absolutely not unheard of. We are also unaware of the roles scum has, which could give them some indication of who visited whom and at least narrow the field to a few unknowns. Still, I've been slightly townreading Casey, but I can see the value in lynching them and I think it should be considered seriously.

whiteflame wrote:

So I'll just be clear about my thoughts on Casey as well.

I can't say I'm outright scumreading Casey, but I can see Mikal's point that lynching Casey would either verify their result or take down one scum. I'm balancing that against the likelihood that scum Casey claims this role before knowing what so many players did during the NP, which places them at great risk of being told they were visited. As Luna has already mentioned, he's taken that kind of risk before. It's absolutely not unheard of. We are also unaware of the roles scum has, which could give them some indication of who visited whom and at least narrow the field to a few unknowns. Still, I've been slightly townreading Casey, but I can see the value in lynching them and I think it should be considered seriously.

Also casey taking the risk of claiming dreamer right off the bat when she was the number one other major wagon is another thing to factor in. Me risking it was still risky in Russia mafia just because I am an active player and a likely visit, but her claiming it as scum would be basically throwing, she should have assumed as scum someone would have visited her. Extreme amounts of risk for for extreme amounts of reward, but that reward isn't paying off since shes still being talked about being lynched. I think their just town, and its probably mikal. I know he's gonna throw a bitch fit about it so I probably won't engage much with him. I'll read his arguments and if there is anything new or convincing, I will take it with a grain of salt, but just spam repeating the same shit and using expletives, calling people dumb for not seeing it, etc, probably isn't going to do much to convince me.

For me it's him or bullish this day phase.

With a heavy lean on mikal.

Lunatic wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

So I'll just be clear about my thoughts on Casey as well.

I can't say I'm outright scumreading Casey, but I can see Mikal's point that lynching Casey would either verify their result or take down one scum. I'm balancing that against the likelihood that scum Casey claims this role before knowing what so many players did during the NP, which places them at great risk of being told they were visited. As Luna has already mentioned, he's taken that kind of risk before. It's absolutely not unheard of. We are also unaware of the roles scum has, which could give them some indication of who visited whom and at least narrow the field to a few unknowns. Still, I've been slightly townreading Casey, but I can see the value in lynching them and I think it should be considered seriously.

Also casey taking the risk of claiming dreamer right off the bat when she was the number one other major wagon is another thing to factor in. Me risking it was still risky in Russia mafia just because I am an active player and a likely visit, but her claiming it as scum would be basically throwing, she should have assumed as scum someone would have visited her. Extreme amounts of risk for for extreme amounts of reward, but that reward isn't paying off since shes still being talked about being lynched. I think their just town, and its probably mikal. I know he's gonna throw a bitch fit about it so I probably won't engage much with him. I'll read his arguments and if there is anything new or convincing, I will take it with a grain of salt, but just spam repeating the same shit and using expletives, calling people dumb for not seeing it, etc, probably isn't going to do much to convince me.

If anything, the point that Casey was the other major wagon last DP is a point in their disfavor. That kind of attention encourages either big, risky plays or attempts to vanish into the background, and yeah, this could very well be the former. I disagree that it's throwing unless we just assume scum have no idea what happened during the NP. In that case, yeah, it would be a massive risk, one that could pay off pretty handsomely if it worked, but I also can't say that they had no way to reduce it, particularly since I'm aware they had a hand in manipulating my night action. As for the risk pays off, that remains to be seen.

In terms of whether I see Mikal as scum, I've already given my thoughts on that. Assuming no one comes forward and says that they put us in a Mason chat together, it likely is a "magnets attract" situation, and yes, that basically confirms Mikal is Cobalt and strongly suggests that Mikal is actually the Magnet, since I am not. I can't ignore that our roles are so similar, but I also can't ignore that he claimed after I claimed with a very similar role, something I don't think Mikal is likely to do with a fake claim. My experience with him behaviorally in chat has also given me reason to townread him. I'm still wary of him too given our very similar roles, but I can't ignore that he's basically the most confirmed player in terms of character and role for me in this game.

VTL: Bullish

I would like them to stay as an option. Out of everything Im really stuck on Casey/Bullish. 3 Invests looks like too much to me and separately there has to be a scum between Bullish/Lunatic/Mikal/Casey. In either situation Casey/Bullish feels the most likely. Rex would be on my mind but Casey's PoE overlapping the mech just matters more.

WF is my top town read. Only thing that has really pinged me about them this game is the conclusion that there is a non role reason their chat exists. Thats very much on my mind

Lunatic feels town. I have not seen their scum game yet but I feel pretty comfortable there. Worst bit I see is their D1 reads were overcrowded with scum/neutral but its also not outside of what I remember from them before.

Thoth also feels town to me. They do some things I really disagree with but they seem pretty transparent. Still not sure what to think about their role claim but whatever; we will cross that road when we get there I suppose.

Banana I feel like I should see more from. I keep waiting to see them dive into the game but they feel really distant? I feel like I usually mind meld with their takes and this one I am getting very little. Im not sure if they are just not connecting with the game or if they connected super well the other game but I keep waiting for something I am not seeing to confirm.

Mikal has some strong points. The way they approach the game really bothers me but its not AI and I am largly suspicious of them due to being in Caseys pool as well as them claiming a redirective role. 'Something' happened last night and I am probably going to stay paranoid about them the rest of the game because of that.

Mag1cian I am also just not really drawing much one way or the other on. Off the top of my head I remember being pinged a few times and seeing things that made me feel they were town to the point I am still null.

Shining needs to get into the game. I am seeing very little from them. Really not sure what kinda read anyone could have there.

Rex still looks scummy. I dislike more now that there are 3 invest claims but they are outside of Caseys pool which certainly hits a scum no matter what. I do not think they should be a serious option today but its very much because I see two overlapping pools to shoot into.

Casey I have a similar view as I do about Banana. I keep expecting them to roll out with a bunch of thoughts that will click with me and I will recognize them as town. But it does not happen. Then there is the pool they created that I see as a decent scum claim. Then there is the D1 train that took them to L1 then suddenly got hard derailed without them claiming or even posting which feels odd followed by the opposing train flipping a townie. I am not comfortable with them.

Bullish I am confused at how they have not gotten more attention. I feel like the entire game they have been substantially scum read by everyone and somehow get no pressure? Now they are semi CCed with 2 other invests and have a potential 1/3 red check from Casey. I would like to see more attention on this slot.

Agree with luna that him and I engaging is largely useless. Repeat of last dayphase where he rubs his dick all over the push until he gets his way. Literally just types to much until people just go along with it. Dont blame him as he trusts himself to much sometimes and is just loud so he can enforce his way. I do the same thing when i can. Again think hes town but once he decides to bird dog something, its largely usless engaging with it. laid out the value in confirming that pool of players.

Its not setting up an easy lynch as luna said. Its confirming that pool is accurate.

Wf laid it out above and I laid it out before that.

Confirmation and utility are the best play as it either hits scum or gives us an exact pool of players to look at. The fact no one on that list or most people in general are considering that is strange. People on that list as town should know its a 50/50 if cases flips town. If they flip scum then it locks in bullish pretty hard as town and makes rex look even better. Massive poe from the result

Again do what you will with it but logic is on the wall. If people are not willing to check the claim or consider walking off a cliff is an option, its going to be awful tomorrow if you pick me. when you are still wondering if the dreamer is real and also having to pick between that or going between luna and bullish.

Casey gives us a scum flip or a very precise poe

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Casey_Risk (2/6): Thoth (p#121), Mikal (p#269)

Mikal (2/6): Bullish (p#146), Banana (p#185)

Bullish (1/6): Helz (p#287)

Not Voting (6): Casey_Risk, Lunatic (p#155), Mag1cman (p#127), RexFavilla, Shining, whiteflame

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Helz wrote:

RexFavilla wrote:

The fact that everyone wants to lynch Bullish makes me think he's town lol.

Being another invest- do you have any issue with 2 other invests existing? If you had to pick a number like a % how likely do you feel it is for 3 Invests to be in the game and between Casey and Bullish which do you feel would be the fake one if there is too many?

I dont think there's too many. If anything, there are too few, with multiple manipulative roles and a strengthener.

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Casey_Risk (2/6): Thoth (p#121), Mikal (p#269)

Mikal (2/6): Bullish (p#146), Banana (p#185)

Bullish (1/6): Helz (p#287)

Not Voting (6): Casey_Risk, Lunatic (p#155), Mag1cman (p#127), RexFavilla, Shining, whiteflame

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 20 hours.

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Casey_Risk (2/6): Thoth (p#121), Mikal (p#269)

Mikal (2/6): Bullish (p#146), Banana (p#185)

Bullish (1/6): Helz (p#287)

Not Voting (6): Casey_Risk, Lunatic (p#155), Mag1cman (p#127), RexFavilla, Shining, whiteflame

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 1 day, 19 hours.

Lunatic wrote:

Pretty sure casey is a they/them or a female btw. Also casey was town in solo leveling so I am confused what you mean by that?

Casey told me that they are fine with she/her or they/them pronouns but mildly prefer they/them.

Thoth wrote:

Lunatic wrote:

Pretty sure casey is a they/them or a female btw. Also casey was town in solo leveling so I am confused what you mean by that?

Casey told me that they are fine with she/her or they/them pronouns but mildly prefer they/them.

That is what I am basing that off of. But Mikal was calling them a he.

RexFavilla wrote:

What the hell does your role actually do? Break it down for me like I'm retarded please.

Could you please answer this? Trying to find out what happened in the NP.

Also how, specifically, does your lightning rod work? Can you both explain your roles in a clear, simple way?

Like i mentioned basically redirector

Target one person and magentize them. Target a second and it moves all actions from that person to the first.

Targeted wf and then moved all of Lunas actions to him

At the time thought luna going for the mago cfd was sus and pie took my last comment which was wf. Was debating between him [cus magics read] was giving some credence there or casey. Was hoping i could have scum hit each other.

Assumption is because wf targeted me with a rod. I moved him to himself. But he ended up at shining.

RexFavilla wrote:

Also how, specifically, does your lightning rod work? Can you both explain your roles in a clear, simple way?

Keeping it as simple as possible:

My Lightning Rod draws all night actions aimed at my target to me. So if the NK was aimed at my target, that would have hit me instead. If your Tracker role had been aimed at my target, you would have learned who I visited instead of who your target visited.

Based on what I've learned of Mikal's role, he's the Magnet. His works similarly, but distinctly: he chooses two targets, and essentially directs the actions of one target to another. In this case, he chose Luna and directed Luna's night action to me.

So, breaking it down, here's what happened:

I targeted Luna during the NP. I thought, as a result, that I had drawn off roles that were used against Luna. Based on your Tracker result, that was incorrect. Instead, my target was somehow changed to Shining.

Since Mikal used his Magnet on Luna and directed him to me, if we're buying Luna's claim, he would have hid behind me with his Compulsive Hider despite targeting you.

The end result was that both Mikal and I ended up in a Mason chat together (after some discussion, we concluded that this had to be the result of some external Mason who could make chats for others, though this has yet to be confirmed) and I was Vanillaized. Setting aside the Mason chat, my being Vanillaized could have happened one of three ways:

1) I was targeted by a Vanillaizer

2) Shining was targeted by a Vanillaizer and my Lightning Rod changed the target to me

3) Luna was targeting someone else with the Vanillaizer and Mikal's Magnet shifted his target to me

It's a lot, but hopefully that makes sense.

Lunatic wrote:

That is what I am basing that off of. But Mikal was calling them a he.

I made the same mistake in their Deltarune game because I had only ever heard of Casey as a male name.

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