Helz is town. If he's not town, I will be astounded. If I flip town, please consider Helz townlock.
Helz is town. If he's not town, I will be astounded. If I flip town, please consider Helz townlock.
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I corrected this below.
But yes you are correct. Its why I wanted her dead yesterday cus I knew we would end up here debating this
Why is he a lock to you?
Because of something he said in our chat that I don't want to reveal here.
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If Casey is town, and scum are gunning to mislynch her, and she gets another result off, her inno flip would leave us with two ironclad poes at mylo which depending on rng could lose them the game. Stopping her from getting another result is their top priority if she is town. If she doesn't have a result today, they can safely mislynch either her or a person in poe. If she does have a result, they are forced to take her to endgame because her flip would confirm two poes. Depending on other results, that could also screw them.
I guess im thinking a pool of 3 more people in a 9 person game isn't that helpful considering if people wont know its real or if there is 1 or 2 in there even if it is but I see your point.
I just think its short sighted and doesn't do much and operating off that
Not sure if itd a correct thought but again wf can validate it was thinking I was the only one who would visit her and I could test her.
Just did not even cross my brain as a good tsrget for scum or town
For those curious, I’m done with the tournament. I won the whole thing, though there was some luck involved in the final round. Tyrese Peliburton hit a crit from deep.
I still don’t know what to type!
Anyway, brb relatively soon
I still don’t know what to type!
For those curious, I’m done with the tournament. I won the whole thing, though there was some luck involved in the final round. Tyrese Peliburton hit a crit from deep.
Hey, congrats on the win! Some RNG is to be expected, just good it worked out in your favor.
Damn, it's just dead in here. Anyone else weirded out that Bullish just kind of vanished after posting a tirade at the start of the DP only to return to verify that his results are useless, then vanish again?
Really don't love that Shining hasn't posted in this DP at all. Coming up on 48 hours and he's still completely absent.
I'd like to see a lot more from both of them before making a decision.
I mean I’ve felt that Bullish is behaviorally town. I have yet to actually lock in and really dig but intuitively he feels town. With his early soft and his defense at a glance seems Magoroth-esque if you catch my drift.
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Casey’s soft has room to be just something being spun as a soft, or a soft for a later claim that could be used or not at all later.
If we’re theorizing about fake softs, mafia would want to fake soft a role. But bullish fake softed a character.
Doesnt make Casey’s soft fake, just saying Bullish’s soft is easier to believe.
I still don’t know what to type!
anyway my high confidence town pile is really just Rex. That’s it. Bullish is almost there.
I still don’t know what to type!
I think I want between Mikal/Casey today
although I’m thinking about other people
Thoth still comes to mind as someone who intuitively strikes me as scummy.
I still don’t know what to type!
Helz, Whiteflame, Shining are all interesting
gun to head Whiteflame-Mikal-Thoth
relies on a different mech solve but it’s essentially just that Whiteflame and Mikal lied about their NP1s + Thoth scum. It’s possible.
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Thoth wrote:
I am leaning slightly towards Casey if only because we get a good result either way: if scum, we caught scum; if town, we confirm their Dreamer PoE. I won’t object to a Bullish lynch based on current information, though.
Oh my gourd not you too
RexFavilla wrote:
Hold the phone, weren't you 1x?
Maybe me being alive is because of the mafia thinking I was 1x. I wonder if this thought came from a conversation where that assumption was made in another chat.
There is a separate thing I wont go into quite yet thats more of a town indicator but I have been slightly watching to see who pushes me given I am the non-CCed town protective. Equally wanting specifics about how many times I can act and such is something I feel would be golden info the Mafia would want.
I mean I know mikal's the scum, but if I get lynched today, part of me wants to see casey get lynched tomorrow for betraying the only person risking their own neck against her lynch.
Bullish wrote:
I mean I know mikal's the scum, but if I get lynched today, part of me wants to see casey get lynched tomorrow for betraying the only person risking their own neck against her lynch.
Exactly what is it that makes you so sure Mikal is scum and Casey is town?
You keep pushing it like you know it for absolute certain as opposed to it being a read yet you claim you are simply a motion detector.
Im more confident now that Thoth is town. There is no way I will ever vote to eliminate Whiteflame unless Rex specifically flips scum. I do not see it as reasonable that they could be scum unless they are specifically team scum with Rex which I doubt.
casey gets lynched today and flips town, there's mechanically at least 1 scum between me and mikal.
I gets lynched today and flip town, there's mechanically at least 1 scum between casey and mikal.
Mikal gets lynched today and flip town, there's mechanically at least 1 scum between me and casey.
There is no distinct utility to lynching anyone of the POE in particular. I can say the words, I can't make yall understand them. Just lynch the scummiest person, which is mikal. He's the only 1 of the 3 who did not soft claim. The only 1 of the 3 with an inherently scummy role, that has appeared as scum in past Pie games. The person who's setting up the mislynch train with the no-utility lynch casey plan. The only person to be soft CC'd - it's kind of ridiculous some of yall have trouble believing 3 investigatives exist in game, yet have no problem believing that a redirector, lighting rod, and bus driver all exist in the game; multiple redirecting roles is a resolution nightmare, there's a reason there's usually no more than 1 per game.
I have nothing else to say, except that my results are useless and may be actively detrimental to out before lylo. My vote is on mikal.
Bullish wrote:
casey gets lynched today and flips town, there's mechanically at least 1 scum between me and mikal.
I gets lynched today and flip town, there's mechanically at least 1 scum between casey and mikal.
Mikal gets lynched today and flip town, there's mechanically at least 1 scum between me and casey.
There is no distinct utility to lynching anyone of the POE in particular. I can say the words, I can't make yall understand them. Just lynch the scummiest person, which is mikal. He's the only 1 of the 3 who did not soft claim. The only 1 of the 3 with an inherently scummy role, that has appeared as scum in past Pie games. The person who's setting up the mislynch train with the no-utility lynch casey plan. The only person to be soft CC'd - it's kind of ridiculous some of yall have trouble believing 3 investigatives exist in game, yet have no problem believing that a redirector, lighting rod, and bus driver all exist in the game; multiple redirecting roles is a resolution nightmare, there's a reason there's usually no more than 1 per game.
I have nothing else to say, except that my results are useless and may be actively detrimental to out before lylo. My vote is on mikal.
I get all of that. But I still do not understand why you are shoving so hard that you are certain about those two slots.
I do disagree that Mikals role is more scummy than Caseys. Caseys role is an absolutely perfect claim for scum. They force an FoS on multiple players with unverifiable results creating a PoE thats below RNG. The fact they have no D2 results is also on my mind. Their behavior has also given me very little to view them as town. Removing this Casey/Mikal/Bullish pool I would have placed them as a slight scum lean. Nothing from what I am looking at helps me feel like "Yeah, someone could look at this slot and demand they are lock town." And yes, I am still considering that there are 3 invest claims. Thats nothing damning but it does increase the chances one of the claims is fake. Then they seem to have nothing but scum reads. I even directly asked them earlier this day phase for their town reads because what I am looking at is they only exclusively town read Rex.
Mikal my main suspicion is based on me questioning that N1 kill. Redirectors are one of the potentials and I strongly view WF as town. Behaviorally they look pretty towny to me outside of that. Very openly voicing thoughts and shoving unpopular views they seem to truly believe with good progression when I look at their reads.
For You my main concern is your level of certainty seems unreasonable. But yet its on both alignments which lessens it being a scum indicator. And every time you give me reasoning I do not feel it really justifies your expressed certainty. The way you keep hard invalidating the thought that 3 invests could be too many also pings me. I get thinking its not the case, I get thinking it is the case- But acting like its an utterly unreasonable conclusion that should be killed with fire seems like you have some survival focus. And you are basically in 2 seperate pools I suspect at once. Casey/You/Mikal has a scum for sure. Then I question Rex/Casey/You all being invests together. And your reads feel very different than what I see.
I have made some good progress on my reads largely clearing Thoth and WF which narrows my PoE but I still have the same line of thinking I had yesterday and we did not really get any spicy info outside of Bananas flip.
I am honestly willing to sheep Helz at this point. Wherever he votes, there I vote also.
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Bullish is right in #174, from what I can see, that him/Casey/Mikal is symmetrical, so to speak, in that any lynch in that troika today confirms a scum. I think Mikal is a reasonable choice out of the three.
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Thoth wrote:
I am honestly willing to sheep Helz at this point. Wherever he votes, there I vote also.
While I appreciate the offer right now I have you an WF as strong town. I would rather hear your views and work with them than you follow whatever I think. I think I am a decent player but I am wrong all the time as well and would rather I am less sheeped than I have people to work with and bounce ideas off of.
You should look at the incentives for the dreamer poe as well. Scum would want to take the best mislynch target to mylo. For Mikal, thats Bullolush. For Bullish, thats Mikal. For Casey, its Bullish. Yet Casey had been pushing a Bullish lynch and Bullish has been vociferously opposing a Casey lynch. Mikal is the only one pushing lynches that line up with an ideal scum Mikal endgame with night actions (fucking with Casey's dreamer) which also line up with that overall plan (Casey is no longer a mislynch target today if she had gotten results.)
Right now, I need to imagine a world with scum!Casey. Would a scum Casey fake claim dreamer and would she bus her buddy? Now, I would be tempted to simply lynch her to confirm her results. But imagine of Casey is both town and we lynch Mikal, who ends up flipping town. Bullish is confirmed scum and I imagine there is scum in Rex or Whiteflame. But we can't know if Casey is town or not and Casey has been lurking more than she usually does, so I am not sure. My preferred lynch goes something like Casey > WF > Rex