Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP4

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.

The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.

I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.

For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.

Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.

Did you ever full claim? Especially if you are Vanillaized, there's no reason not to out your entire claim at this point.

Well I suppose now I did. I was 2 shot. Thats the only detail I did not give.

I can also clarify that I would not block the person I visit. I am not sure if I said that or not. Thats pretty much everything although I am not going to edge on flavor stuff or angle shoot on revealing host DM details.

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.

The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.

I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.

For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.

Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.

There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.

And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.

This is egregious logic.

whiteflame wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Thoth wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

So it's been completely inactive all previous nights?

Yes

Could it have been activated previously?

No

I'm going to take a break from analyzing this because I'd rather not surmise what your role is if we're not seeking a full claim yet. Suffice it to say that you'll almost certainly be pushed to claim during this DP.

On second thought, he may not have to. The lynch is between Mikal and Bullish today, obviously.

It's a 50-50 shot, so I do get why they would be the focus this time around, though if we're even able to limit the other pool by one person, that changes to a 66-33 shot. Not sure if I want Thoth's claim to try and manage that, but I'm considering it.

they're literally just gonna vote each other this DP.

I just find it very suspicious that the day we hit Lylo Mag1c seems to hard CC me on 2 sides.

They insinuate I was visiting a target who was killed when it was not even possible for me to visit as they also CC my role as well. Thoth can verify I did reveal to them that I am 2 shot. I would have absolutely no reason to lie to them about that or even tell them that without them asking.

Unless someone else wants to explain how Mag1cs action could have 'failed' they are flat scum shoving for a win this DP. I do not see how its possible unless Shining has something to do with it.

Helz wrote:

I just find it very suspicious that the day we hit Lylo Mag1c seems to hard CC me on 2 sides.

They insinuate I was visiting a target who was killed when it was not even possible for me to visit as they also CC my role as well. Thoth can verify I did reveal to them that I am 2 shot. I would have absolutely no reason to lie to them about that or even tell them that without them asking.

Unless someone else wants to explain how Mag1cs action could have 'failed' they are flat scum shoving for a win this DP. I do not see how its possible unless Shining has something to do with it.

Where did I insinuate you visited a night kill?

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.

The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.

I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.

For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.

Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.

There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.

And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.

This is egregious logic.

Its not just the doctor thing. Its the fact you claimed your action failed and I could not even have acted as I am a 2 shot. Then there is the factor you never once suggested any sort of suspicion or said anything as I pointed out I was the only protective.

If you softed something please point to it. But I feel like your claim is very unlikely on both the 'how did it fail' bit as well as being a slight head scratching of having a full on doc + a 2 shot role stopper.

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

I just find it very suspicious that the day we hit Lylo Mag1c seems to hard CC me on 2 sides.

They insinuate I was visiting a target who was killed when it was not even possible for me to visit as they also CC my role as well. Thoth can verify I did reveal to them that I am 2 shot. I would have absolutely no reason to lie to them about that or even tell them that without them asking.

Unless someone else wants to explain how Mag1cs action could have 'failed' they are flat scum shoving for a win this DP. I do not see how its possible unless Shining has something to do with it.

Where did I insinuate you visited a night kill?

I thought you said you were on Ref. Am I confused? Im really short on time and just posting off the top of my head while working

I'm taking a break from this. I'll come back to it later and address some of these responses. For now, I recognize that we probably have little choice but to decide between Mikal and Bullish at this stage.

All the reasons to scum read mikal, and all the reasons to town read me have already been said. I'm going to summarize this one more time in memory of lunatic banana and ref. Then if you lynch me it's over; if you lynch mikal I'm dead in the night.

Mikal:

only one to not soft claim

only one to claim a inherently scummy role

primary pusher of the competing plan to drive 3 mislynches, starting with the casey mislynch, that he keeps lying about having "utility"

both NKs were mikal voters

Me:

softclaimed

can only be town motivated to defend casey (even clearer now that she flipped town)

can only be town motivated to offer myself up for a 1v1 vs mikal on DP2

town me is the only conceivable reason banana was NKd

Yes, I targeted Rex and my action failed. That's what I said. That doesn't mean I think you visited Rex. If you are scum it's possible, but that's all I can say there.

Bullish wrote:

All the reasons to scum read mikal, and all the reasons to town read me have already been said. I'm going to summarize this one more time in memory of lunatic banana and ref. Then if you lynch me it's over; if you lynch mikal I'm dead in the night.

Mikal:

only one to not soft claim

only one to claim a inherently scummy role

primary pusher of the competing plan to drive 3 mislynches, starting with the casey mislynch, that he keeps lying about having "utility"

both NKs were mikal voters

Me:

softclaimed

can only be town motivated to defend casey (even clearer now that she flipped town)

can only be town motivated to offer myself up for a 1v1 vs mikal on DP2

town me is the only conceivable reason banana was NKd

100% this. Don't think less of this case just because Bullish is making it.

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.

The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.

I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.

For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.

Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.

There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.

And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.

This is egregious logic.

Its not just the doctor thing. Its the fact you claimed your action failed and I could not even have acted as I am a 2 shot. Then there is the factor you never once suggested any sort of suspicion or said anything as I pointed out I was the only protective.

If you softed something please point to it. But I feel like your claim is very unlikely on both the 'how did it fail' bit as well as being a slight head scratching of having a full on doc + a 2 shot role stopper.

You seem to think scum doesn't have a roleblocker when you say the bolded part.

Scumslip?

Mag1cman wrote:

Yes, I targeted Rex and my action failed. That's what I said. That doesn't mean I think you visited Rex. If you are scum it's possible, but that's all I can say there.

I figured it was a way to insinuate I had visited them. Unless you were specifically scum with Thoth you could not have known I was 2x. They can verify I revealed that to them.

But there is a mech hole now where you and I have on separate days been on a target we should have protected and it died. Maybe I need to step back and chew on it more.

I would feel a lot better about you if you had suspected me when I revealed or even questioned if I was the only protective or anything of the sort. It just feels like you made a very specifically targeted claim in this critical situation.

We know based on claims and actions, scum has 1) a vanillarizer, 2) a strongman, and 3) some kind of redirection role (the only way to explain whiteflame's apparent visit to Shining)

Based on my personal PoE, the remaining scum are Shining and Helz. This is not certain, less certain than my read on casey/lunatic/mikal on DP2.

Roleblock Mag1c + kill Rex is a possiblity.

Helz rolestop Rex + other scum Strongman kill Rex is also possible if the interaction works how I think it does.

And there's other possiblites. I don't have a thought for any of them at the moment.

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Yes, I targeted Rex and my action failed. That's what I said. That doesn't mean I think you visited Rex. If you are scum it's possible, but that's all I can say there.

I figured it was a way to insinuate I had visited them. Unless you were specifically scum with Thoth you could not have known I was 2x. They can verify I revealed that to them.

But there is a mech hole now where you and I have on separate days been on a target we should have protected and it died. Maybe I need to step back and chew on it more.

I would feel a lot better about you if you had suspected me when I revealed or even questioned if I was the only protective or anything of the sort. It just feels like you made a very specifically targeted claim in this critical situation.

I was giving my results. Assume I'm town for a sec. I'm going to give my honest targets and results in that case.

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.

The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.

I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.

For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.

Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.

There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.

And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.

This is egregious logic.

Its not just the doctor thing. Its the fact you claimed your action failed and I could not even have acted as I am a 2 shot. Then there is the factor you never once suggested any sort of suspicion or said anything as I pointed out I was the only protective.

If you softed something please point to it. But I feel like your claim is very unlikely on both the 'how did it fail' bit as well as being a slight head scratching of having a full on doc + a 2 shot role stopper.

You seem to think scum doesn't have a roleblocker when you say the bolded part.

Scumslip?

So far we have not seen role blocking past my actions. Your claim of role blocked is out of place. So yes I am assuming Scum does not have a role blocker.

I am thinking the fact I trusted Thoth enough to reveal I was a 2 shot derailed the narrative you were setting up for.

Not sure how to read Helz interpreting my entrance as a hidden shot at them. First thought is that it's NAI bc he made a note about how I let others do the heavy lifting when Helz got mislynched in Solo Leveling Endgame, so maybe he was looking for me to do that. Which meams it's not automatically scummy.

There's nothing else for me to post. Whiteflame and Thoth have to climb out of the rut on their own. Peace.

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Yes, I targeted Rex and my action failed. That's what I said. That doesn't mean I think you visited Rex. If you are scum it's possible, but that's all I can say there.

I figured it was a way to insinuate I had visited them. Unless you were specifically scum with Thoth you could not have known I was 2x. They can verify I revealed that to them.

But there is a mech hole now where you and I have on separate days been on a target we should have protected and it died. Maybe I need to step back and chew on it more.

I would feel a lot better about you if you had suspected me when I revealed or even questioned if I was the only protective or anything of the sort. It just feels like you made a very specifically targeted claim in this critical situation.

I was giving my results. Assume I'm town for a sec. I'm going to give my honest targets and results in that case.

I admit I probably have some confirmation bias on the stacks of roles in the game. You guys have a meta I am not familiar with and same as I am paranoid about 3 invests I am equally paranoid about 2 protectives existing. Even if I was nerfed to be a 2 shot.

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

Night action failed last night; I tried to save Rex by making him suffer for another DP. I’m Hydrogen, the Doctor.

The tldr justification is that hydrogen is simple and therefore allows complexity to emerge from its simplicity as bonds with just about everything else, therefore being the element Pie chose to credit with being necessary for life.

I do not see this as possible. I was 2 shot and I got Vanalized last night. Part of why I did not want to confirm how many charges I had was because I had hoped to waste a kill or one of those shots.

For your action to fail it would require some other sort of reason. I also question why you did not poke or suspect me at some point given you should have felt you were a CC to me this entire time.

Im starting to strongly see Mag1c as scum with this claim.

There's three scum, vanillize plus roleblock is possible.

And the idea that we're a CC in a 13-player game is flat out stupid.

This is egregious logic.

Its not just the doctor thing. Its the fact you claimed your action failed and I could not even have acted as I am a 2 shot. Then there is the factor you never once suggested any sort of suspicion or said anything as I pointed out I was the only protective.

If you softed something please point to it. But I feel like your claim is very unlikely on both the 'how did it fail' bit as well as being a slight head scratching of having a full on doc + a 2 shot role stopper.

You seem to think scum doesn't have a roleblocker when you say the bolded part.

Scumslip?

So far we have not seen role blocking past my actions. Your claim of role blocked is out of place. So yes I am assuming Scum does not have a role blocker.

I am thinking the fact I trusted Thoth enough to reveal I was a 2 shot derailed the narrative you were setting up for.

ok. I can see a reason to believe this, although it's not a good one. If scum has a joat (which is very common here) there will be some roles they have that never get used, or only get used once. When you get a JOAT, some roles are better than others.

Furthermore, I'm not claiming I was roleblocked either. I'm claiming that my night action failed, and if you're town a roleblock is a possibility. And there's other possibilities, but I won't reveal my cards there just yet.

Im going to the grad event. Can post more later

Bullish js so full of shit lol

Mag1cman wrote:

ok. I can see a reason to believe this, although it's not a good one. If scum has a joat (which is very common here) there will be some roles they have that never get used, or only get used once. When you get a JOAT, some roles are better than others.

Furthermore, I'm not claiming I was roleblocked either. I'm claiming that my night action failed, and if you're town a roleblock is a possibility. And there's other possibilities, but I won't reveal my cards there just yet.

Part of that comes from me asking what feedback someone would get if I blocked them and was told its simply that their action failed.

That’s typical around here, and probably on other sites. The point of that is to not reveal to the player they were Rolestopper, or roleblocked or whatever else, leaving it a mystery to the player.

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Bullish (1/4): Mikal (p#17)

Mikal (1/4): Bullish (p#44)

Not Voting (5): Helz, Mag1cman, Shining, Thoth, whiteflame

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 19 hours.

I will try to post more in a couple hours, but for now I am leaning towards lynching Mikal.

Much as I’m not exactly lauding Bullish’s choice of target, I do think that that is the choice he’d make as town with this role. If he’s scum, I have trouble believing he’d continue to lean into getting results on me. Bullish had a lot of options that were easy layups to support both his night action and his target’s or draw sus towards someone. He did neither, he basically just went for validating that I was indeed Vanillaized and therefore no longer visiting nor worth being visited. Wouldn’t be my choice, but I’m not surprised it’s his.

Leaning towards lynching Mikal at this point.

Not sure what else to say other than I really don't want to lose. Wf knows my thought process better than anyone because of the chat with him. It makes no sense to claim the way I did after he claimed. It wasnt like i was caught on the spot. Sure i didnt soft but I basically chose to cc him. I wish that would have played out here because he is the only one that watched it play out

If we are going to throw, we are going to throw. Not much else i can do. Its unfortunate that people that have played with bullish are all dead. Hes behavior is polar opposite how he normally acts in a game. Its painfully obvious

Bullish saying he double tapped wf is just lmao and if town believes that. Not sure what else to say to convince you. I even said he should have claimed last dp and now you get a very safe and dumb as shit action list

He has no risk in his role. Mine can harm. Sure chosing not to act doesn't validate what i did but he literally cant harm town and chose the most optimal people to target after everyone had already claimed.