Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP4

Im also just getting frustrated this has played out like this. Asked for this to happen yesterday. No one listened and luna yeeted himself and puts us in a bad situation. I still want to win but im getting in the headspace that im just wanting to die and move on to the next game. If wf has flipped his read we are cooked and the fact no one wanted to listen to anything I was saying in earlier dps to simplify this, just makes me more frustrated. Ill answer and reply but have stuck a whole lot of effort into trying to win this even having shit going on irl and if this is how we drown then so be it.

Mikal wrote:

Not sure what else to say other than I really don't want to lose. Wf knows my thought process better than anyone because of the chat with him. It makes no sense to claim the way I did after he claimed. It wasnt like i was caught on the spot. Sure i didnt soft but I basically chose to cc him. I wish that would have played out here because he is the only one that watched it play out

I get your thought process, though at this point, I can't just go off of a behavioral read. There's too much else on the table from Bullish in terms of what he claims to have done and the early softclaim, which came off as a lot clearer than Casey's. I do think there was a risk to you claiming Magnet (though I think you would have had that one prepped in advance, and holding off claiming after I'd claimed my role would've looked sus to me), namely because you could theoretically have been Tracked to both your targets and, if you were scum, the result would not match your targeting me and Luna NP1. You might have relied on the whole "scum have a redirection" mechanic, though, since you brought up the possibility of a bus driver pretty early. It's not the cleanest story, but then neither is mine.

Bullish saying he double tapped wf is just lmao and if town believes that. Not sure what else to say to convince you. I even said he should have claimed last dp and now you get a very safe and dumb as shit action list

One odd thing that stands out: you should be challenging the notion that I wasn't visited. You claimed to have visited me NP2 and redirected me to Bullish. If that happened, then he should have gotten a positive result. I get that it's either him or you and having conflicting night actions is basically to be expected, but I'm surprised you haven't pointed this out.

He has no risk in his role. Mine can harm. Sure chosing not to act doesn't validate what i did but he literally cant harm town and chose the most optimal people to target after everyone had already claimed.

I mean, it would have been pretty easy for him to claim that he targeted someone who said they had a night action, or someone who they visited. There was a risk to picking me, since I still might have been visited (as you claimed to visit me).

Im also just getting frustrated this has played out like this. Asked for this to happen yesterday. No one listened and luna yeeted himself and puts us in a bad situation. I still want to win but im getting in the headspace that im just wanting to die and move on to the next game. If wf has flipped his read we are cooked and the fact no one wanted to listen to anything I was saying in earlier dps to simplify this, just makes me more frustrated. Ill answer and reply but have stuck a whole lot of effort into trying to win this even having shit going on irl and if this is how we drown then so be it.

Yep, I would have preferred a Bullish lynch instead of Luna being modkilled, especially since I would have townread a clearer justification from Luna and almost certainly would have just lynched you if Bullish flipped town. Would've made this all a good deal more certain.

I redirected you to bullish and you would not have moved regardless which is why I targeted you?

Am I missing something I should be paying attention to

Mikal wrote:

I redirected you to bullish and you would not have moved regardless which is why I targeted you?

Am I missing something I should be paying attention to

His role is Time Traveler. He would have detected your visit to me.

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Bullish (1/4): Mikal (p#17)

Mikal (1/4): Bullish (p#44)

Not Voting (5): Helz, Mag1cman, Shining, Thoth, whiteflame

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 16 hours.

I thought he said it detected if you moved. I misunderstood then

Then yeah. Just more reasons hes shitty.

whiteflame wrote:

Much as I’m not exactly lauding Bullish’s choice of target, I do think that that is the choice he’d make as town with this role. If he’s scum, I have trouble believing he’d continue to lean into getting results on me. Bullish had a lot of options that were easy layups to support both his night action and his target’s or draw sus towards someone. He did neither, he basically just went for validating that I was indeed Vanillaized and therefore no longer visiting nor worth being visited. Wouldn’t be my choice, but I’m not surprised it’s his.

Leaning towards lynching Mikal at this point.

I do agree that town would want to verify the Vanalized players. Its exactly how I would use the role. I am a bit confused why he did not use it on Rex and you though.

Im also confused on how the time traveler function is suppose to work. My limited understanding is that its suppose to see back in time to any day if a player had movement which creates the question of why visit WF twice if after once at some point you could verify every single day if they moved?

Mikal wrote:

He has no risk in his role. Mine can harm. Sure chosing not to act doesn't validate what i did but he literally cant harm town and chose the most optimal people to target after everyone had already claimed.

Can you restate what your targeting was each night and why?

Mikal wrote:

I thought he said it detected if you moved. I misunderstood then

Then yeah. Just more reasons hes shitty.

Based on what he said and what I've read of the role, it's a Motion Detector that can investigate for current and past NPs, so yes, it would detect if there was any movement, not just mine.

Mag1cman wrote:

That’s typical around here, and probably on other sites. The point of that is to not reveal to the player they were Rolestopper, or roleblocked or whatever else, leaving it a mystery to the player.

I get it. I was just voicing specifically why I jumped to that conclusion. Being told that exactly by the mod made me directly connect "Action failed" with "Role Blocked"

Stepped back for a bit to clear my head.

whiteflame wrote:

Mikal wrote:

I thought he said it detected if you moved. I misunderstood then

Then yeah. Just more reasons hes shitty.

Based on what he said and what I've read of the role, it's a Motion Detector that can investigate for current and past NPs, so yes, it would detect if there was any movement, not just mine.

Ah, As in it could look into any past day phase and verify if someone moved on that day kinda thing? Thats clever. I have only seen something like it once.

As mentioned. Misunderstood what it did is why I didnt question it

At the same time I do feel my logic on WF being town was pretty rock solid. Checking Rex would have potentially cleared Rex and WF unless they disagree with my reasoning that its only possible for WF to be scum if Rex was scum.

This is also something that bothers me about the Rex kill. It basically super hard cleared WF imo. They are absolute lock town now. Why would scum do that? And what was up with that Banana kill?

Helz wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Much as I’m not exactly lauding Bullish’s choice of target, I do think that that is the choice he’d make as town with this role. If he’s scum, I have trouble believing he’d continue to lean into getting results on me. Bullish had a lot of options that were easy layups to support both his night action and his target’s or draw sus towards someone. He did neither, he basically just went for validating that I was indeed Vanillaized and therefore no longer visiting nor worth being visited. Wouldn’t be my choice, but I’m not surprised it’s his.

Leaning towards lynching Mikal at this point.

I do agree that town would want to verify the Vanalized players. Its exactly how I would use the role. I am a bit confused why he did not use it on Rex and you though.

Well, I'll give this much to both of them, they each tried to verify whether I was Vanillaized. In Bullish's case, I get looking back at previous claims of movement rather than present ones when he had the option. Considering he'd already checked me NP1 and I was the only one Vanillaized before NP2, it wouldn't have made sense to check me again and he had no reason to check Rex. I think it would have made more sense for him to check someone else in NP3, but if he was uncertain about me (and he was outright scumreading me, so yes), then I made sense as a target to investigate. Still a weak choice IMO considering the Vanillaizer was corroborated by Rex, but I can buy that that's where he went with it.

Harder to buy that from Mikal who could have used his role on Rex last night under the same logic he used for using it on me, but refused to do so.

Im also confused on how the time traveler function is suppose to work. My limited understanding is that its suppose to see back in time to any day if a player had movement which creates the question of why visit WF twice if after once at some point you could verify every single day if they moved?

Based on how Bullish has stated it, the role functions the same as a Motion Detector, which means it's identical to the Mafia Universe post.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Time%20Traveller

He can detect any movement to or from the target on a night he selects.

Luna to wf - was trusting magics read

Wf to bullish- coverage. Validates wf more and also stops me from messing with potential town roles and a solve based on mechanics because half the people had not claimed. If I moved wf and hes telling the truth, nothing happened. If I moved him abd bullish died then we solved

Last np - waived. Didn't know what to tbh and figured most things would complicate today. Similar to dp1 which had nothing but confusing mechanical conversations

Mikal wrote:

As mentioned. Misunderstood what it did is why I didnt question it

Alright, I'll set that aside for now and give others a chance to chime in.

I guess weird world potential where the Auditor/Vannalizer (hate that word) had limited shots or every other day and did the kill or something and WF fake claimed? That would be such a stretch I do not think its really worth considering though.

What if its actually just a wild RNG success where both Bullish and Mikal are scum together? Would account for Bullish just screaming at people with certainty that Mikal is scum and Casey is town without having reasoning that justifies that certainty.

How are Mikal and Bullish about bussing for those that are familiar with them?

(Also just noticed that they were a 1x Dreamer. I was wondering who the hell visited them N2 but I am just dumb there)

There is also a part of me that just wants to consider going for shining. Im having trouble building a world where they are not scum in every potential.

W/T or W/W between Bullish and Mikal for sure. But in just about anything I think about Shining is somewhere on that list. Thoth and WF I am pretty hard town on leaving 3/4 scum between Bullish/Magic/Mikal/Shining

Mag1c is also never the elimination today. I may not trust them but we would be playing very poorly if we eliminated a claimed doctor.

As a town I feel like we are very inactive. Im not seeing very much analysis and mostly the only things focused is on mech with minimal digging.

If we are going to keep going down this road it could be good to do a 'follow the sheriff' play. I feel like pretty much every player in the game could lock WF as town based upon mech. I also very strongly see Thoth as town which gives me an easy 3/4 PoE. We could default to working off that town block for a solve if others agree.

Helz wrote:

As a town I feel like we are very inactive. Im not seeing very much analysis and mostly the only things focused is on mech with minimal digging.

If we are going to keep going down this road it could be good to do a 'follow the sheriff' play. I feel like pretty much every player in the game could lock WF as town based upon mech. I also very strongly see Thoth as town which gives me an easy 3/4 PoE. We could default to working off that town block for a solve if others agree.

I think we've been too skittish to consider mech in many of the lynches we've had so far. That's partially on me since there was so much fuckery apparent in NP1 that we still only have some idea of what went on then. My main consideration is how everyone played out their roles and why, but that's just a starting point for analysis this DP.

In terms of Thoth, I'm hesitant to give him a strong townread, but given that he's not the focus of attention this DP, I'm at least considering giving him a pass for now and seeing where it takes us next DP. Continuing to refuse to claim then would be a different story.

Pinged you above without saying anything to or about you, so I'll remedy that.

You need to full claim when you get on and I need to see a set of reads. This is getting ridiculous. You posted a grand total of two times last DP, the first of which sussed three players, two of whom are dead and flipped town. You've given no insight into how you perceive Mikal vs. Bullish despite recognizing in your last post that attention would be on the two of them. Contribute to this DP.

I'm on. I am Uranium and I am the bomb. My justification is that Uranium can been used to build bombs. Uranium has a large nucleus and when spilt, triggers a chain reaction that releases a lot of energy resulting in an explosion.

Per my reads, I am leaning towards Mikal. Bullish isn't exactly towny, but Mikal is worse and given that Casey's dream is confirmed... for the rest, Thoth is possibly scum and I don't like how they are cagey at a time like this and now is the time we should throw down all our cards. I'm not sure about you or the rest, but Mikal first.

Shining wrote:

I'm on. I am Uranium and I am the bomb. My justification is that Uranium can been used to build bombs. Uranium has a large nucleus and when spilt, triggers a chain reaction that releases a lot of energy resulting in an explosion.

Alright, at least that's something. I'll hold off on judgement of the claim for now, but especially given that you were last to claim I'm a little hesitant to take it at face value.

Per my reads, I am leaning towards Mikal. Bullish isn't exactly towny, but Mikal is worse and given that Casey's dream is confirmed... for the rest, Thoth is possibly scum and I don't like how they are cagey at a time like this and now is the time we should throw down all our cards. I'm not sure about you or the rest, but Mikal first.

Going to need more than this, man. Deciding between Mikal and Bullish is one thing, but not having reads on me, Helz or Mag1c at all is just beyond me at this point. You have 3 full DPs worth of information and nothing to say about any of us except you're not sure?

Its just a summary bro. What more do you want from me? How many times do we need to go through with this shit? Its not my fault we had a big DP1 and then everyone decided to sleep in all game.

Shining wrote:

Its just a summary bro. What more do you want from me? How many times do we need to go through with this shit? Its not my fault we had a big DP1 and then everyone decided to sleep in all game.

Reads. I'm looking for reads, man. Don't pretend the game stopped having anything meaningful to go through just because there was less activity in DP2 and DP3. There's plenty there. I haven't gotten your thoughts on basically any of it, and being dismissive of there even being take-aways makes no sense to me at all.

It's great that you're here and you're active, but considering how little I have in the way of posts to read you behaviorally and considering how flawed your reads were last DP, the fact that you're being this dismissive is bothering me.

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Bullish (1/4): Mikal (p#17)

Mikal (1/4): Bullish (p#44)

Not Voting (5): Helz, Mag1cman, Shining, Thoth, whiteflame

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 2 hours.

Sigh

Welp we are doing food with the family tonight and im at work.

Can we just hammer me and move to the next game. No one is going to listen and at the spot where I just stop caring. One of those games where we just need to lose and town can feel like shit after. Even wf just yolo swapped after locking bullish as likely as scum the entire game. I have an entire coherent thought process for why I chose to do things. Have been consistent and chose to cc a fucking claimed lighting rod as a redirector when I could pivot after he claimed. Just ready to move on

Can't believe scum bullish wins this with argument

Just lynch him

Do it

Do it

I'm right

O and I said i targeted wf 2 times after everyone had claimed.

This is just fucking silly and now scum are going to dog pile. So miffed I just wasted time during family shit for literally no one to listen to me at any point in any dayphase for this shit to end exactly how I mentioned it was when we could have resolved this yesterday if we hit casey 2 days ago.

Over crashing out cus it ruins the game for people but its hard to be sympathetic and keep putting up a fight when we want to just fall on a sword.