Stereotype Mafia Day Phase 1

Not much way to pressure Casey. They made 1 post and have not been back.

I just can't see a world where town Kohai pulls the number three out of nowhere, without Lunatic even mentioning anything to him about numbers, then panics and says he lied on purpose, panics again and says it was a misunderstanding, then VTLs himself. I was told self-voting is something scum do more often than town, as well.

We should get a claim from Ultra today.

Helz wrote:

Not much way to pressure Casey. They made 1 post and have not been back.

Luna iz looking 4 replacement. If Dey can’t find ny1 luna vill sub me n for that slot. Hopefully I vont have a trxt restriction and kan talk normally

UNVOTE

Hi all I'm not dead I'll read through the thread and post thoughts later

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Kohai (3/7): Mikal (p#264), RexFavilla (p#266), Thoth (p#514)

Ultracrepidarian (3/7): Banana (p#209), Helz (p#596), whiteflame (p#611)

Helz (1/7): Magoroth (p#87)

RexFavilla (1/7): Ultracrepidarian (p#200)

Not Voting (4): Casey_Risk, ILikePie5 (p#634), Kohai (p#620), Wryly (p#547)

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 23 hours.

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

On Kohai something I really do want people to give some thoughts on is if a negative chat modifier that can result in modkill on a Vanilla town role makes sense. That keeps getting glazed over and it pings me really hard. That role feels like a massive slap in the face to the point I question if its possible to exist.

As someone who strongly considered giving Luna this exact role (admittedly with a PR to accompany it - see Heiter in the Frieren game), I'm hesitant to say that it doesn't make sense. It's odd that that's all it is, but if there just isn't a lot of negative utility in play for town, I could see it being one way to insert it. It's not the way I'd do it, but I can only say it's implausible.

I mean, I thought about claiming in Magoroth’s abortive Apocalypse game that I had to communicate by prompting a large language model and posting the output. I don’t question the possibility of a chat requirement like this. What I doubt are (1) that it’s optional, which just makes it funny soft-claiming and (2) that meeting the requirement is subjective.

Kohai wrote:

Re #5: I just got confurmation that I am not consideredd vinilla. Im essssenrjakly a named town.

Wym essentially? Youre either a named townie or not. What is the exact name Luna used for your role?

ILikePie5 wrote:

Kohai wrote:

Re #5: I just got confurmation that I am not consideredd vinilla. Im essssenrjakly a named town.

Wym essentially? Youre either a named townie or not. What is the exact name Luna used for your role?

tiwn drunkk

How do you know luna is looking for a replacement and why would you ask about casey specifically?

Helz wrote:

Wryly wrote:

Luna also just confirmed that 0 fake claims were given to *anyone*, so if Mech 1 is true, 3P were given no fake claim.

Good catch. That also makes 3 even less likely to be the lie.

You mean more likely. If scum were notified they would not receive any fake claims, then straight claiming their character with zero risk is the best idea

What is ATE?

Mikal wrote:

How do you know luna is looking for a replacement and why would you ask about casey specifically?

I asked if eye should just modkill mvself nd he said no nd mentioned hed hope id replace Casey since id be the first town death

Helz wrote:

I would also like thoughts on Mikals role claim. A forced modifier that changes how they post as they are a VT? This does not make sense to me in line with anything I have seen so far on this site.

Its not just a citizen its a citizen thats kinda painful to play with an obligation that makes it easy for it to get itself killed. Im highly questioning how likely this would be in the game. Any of you old heads want to step up and give a take on if this is out of place for this site as it feels to me?

Luna uses custom roles pretty frequently. It’s conceivable that “Town Drunk” is a role he created. However, I’ve mentioned this before before what a Drunk is also a Roleblocker, which more often than not is a scum role.

Talking like a drunk could be to coverup the fact that they are a roleblocker. It’s why he’s been so inconsistent. First he says he’s a Town Drunk, then he says he’s a Named Townie. Combine that with the modified of being modkilled. Don’t like it at all

Wryly wrote:

Kohai wrote:

Frum mafiaskum:

A Named Townie is a role that has no real abilities, but differs from a normal Vanilla Townie in the sense it has a different name from an actual Vanilla Townie. This in itself can be powerful.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Named_Townie

Teknically, my role is "town drunk" and my abilities is I'm forced to talk like I'm drunk." This basically collapses into a named townie with posting restrictions.

Weird.

I wasn't even aware of a drunk Russian stereotype. Isn't that more an Irish stereotype?

Also a fair point

I am actively searching for replacements for Casey and Magoroth, both have told me they don't have time to play. I hit up magic and wylted, wylted is MIA and magic cant. So I am going to have to use the first deaths to replace these individual's. Working on finding other replacements

Thoth wrote:

Kohai wrote:

This game will be an open mechanical set up, meaning I will openly tell you all the mechanics of the game. There is however one catch: One of these mechanics, and only one, is a lie fed by the mafia team

It doesn't say that the scum team chose them from a list. The wording makes it sound like the scum team could have, and likely did, write the fake mechanic themselves. I'm not sure yet who first said that the Mafia team picked it from a list, but Helz suggested so in #396.

Yes, I pointed this out. The way it’s written, it sounds like scum wrote the lie. Helz apparently asked a lot of questions beforehand privately and Luna said he gave them a list of lies

Thoth wrote:

What is ATE?

Appeal to Emotion. Its one of the 3 formal appeals in formal persuasive speech.

Wylted has replaced caseyrisk

whiteflame wrote:

Mikal wrote:

Kohai did functionally claim vanilla

Is no one reading this dp ....

Dude, he claimed a named role. I get that the role is functionally Vanilla in terms of night actions, but your line of questioning basically just assumed he was actually Vanilla in role. I don't get that.

Well, we don’t know what he claimed. He first claimed Town Drunk.

Full claim dawg

Automated Vote Count

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Kohai (3/7): Mikal (p#264), RexFavilla (p#266), Thoth (p#514)

Ultracrepidarian (3/7): Banana (p#209), Helz (p#596), whiteflame (p#611)

Helz (1/7): Magoroth (p#87)

RexFavilla (1/7): Ultracrepidarian (p#200)

Not Voting (4): ILikePie5 (p#634), Kohai (p#620), Wryly (p#547), wylted

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day phase ends in 23 hours.

I wunna claim from both wylted nd whuver replaces mag

RexFavilla wrote:

Pressuring Ultra seems silly. He's contributed at least something. Kohai's flip will tell us a lot about his affiliation given Kohai was piling on to his wagon. If its for inactivity there are better targets. Casey. Me. Why do we have four votes on him again? Seems like a desperate attempt to have a counterwagon at EoD so someone can argue 'we cant let Ultra get away with not claiming' if he's still awol and move the lynch off of Kohai.

being afk because ur busy or cant post is one thing, but having the ability to post and choosing to not do anything useful is another thing. also i thot ppl liked having 2 wagons? why cant we pressure more than one person? we have plenty of time left. if we lynch kohai we can maximize the rest of the dp still and still lynch him, but might as well get most of the ppl like ultra or are hard lurking

Could we slow down on the claim madness? There is no reason to throw out information from a fresh player in a slot with 1 post

Thoth wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Helz wrote:

On Kohai something I really do want people to give some thoughts on is if a negative chat modifier that can result in modkill on a Vanilla town role makes sense. That keeps getting glazed over and it pings me really hard. That role feels like a massive slap in the face to the point I question if its possible to exist.

As someone who strongly considered giving Luna this exact role (admittedly with a PR to accompany it - see Heiter in the Frieren game), I'm hesitant to say that it doesn't make sense. It's odd that that's all it is, but if there just isn't a lot of negative utility in play for town, I could see it being one way to insert it. It's not the way I'd do it, but I can only say it's implausible.

I mean, I thought about claiming in Magoroth’s abortive Apocalypse game that I had to communicate by prompting a large language model and posting the output. I don’t question the possibility of a chat requirement like this. What I doubt are (1) that it’s optional, which just makes it funny soft-claiming and (2) that meeting the requirement is subjective.

I agree, though a bunch of roles like this is necessarily going to fall prey to (2). This role and others like it exist as roles used in actual games. I'm not saying that it's unimportant as a result (part of the reason I didn't use it in my game is that I didn't want to have to deal with determining whether any given post by Luna was "drunk enough"), just that it's going to be generally hard to accept the existence of a role like this regardless of whether it's real or not.

Literally, Casey made 1 post saying they had a dinner or something and would be back later. There is no read anyone could possibly have to demand a claim right now.

ultra

mag

casey

probly hav a min of 1 skum