BROR Mafia [day phase 3]

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:30 PM (post #115)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 9:28 PM (post #114)

So Popular can be better utilized beyond mere role confirmation. Good to know. I considered it a weak role.

I mean this was lylo. lol if kohai wants to say it wasn’t mylo he’s wrong but it’s his game so he can hand town the win if he wants I guess

I just meant that it shows Popular can be used to lure scum to a false wagon in general.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 9:34 PM (post #122)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:30 PM (post #115)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 9:28 PM (post #114)

So Popular can be better utilized beyond mere role confirmation. Good to know. I considered it a weak role.

I mean this was lylo. lol if kohai wants to say it wasn’t mylo he’s wrong but it’s his game so he can hand town the win if he wants I guess

I just meant that it shows Popular can be used to lure scum to a false wagon in general

Every popular I’ve ever seen usually loses its status is mylo

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

Agreed with Luna. Even if you're telling the truth, it's still MYLO and it just becomes a probability game.

so did we win

I meant that even though this example happened in the context of MYLO it proves the role has applications beyond the context of MYLO.

You guys are really gonna need to tell me how you came up with this Comedian/Secondary Vig plan.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #122)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:30 PM (post #115)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 9:28 PM (post #114)

So Popular can be better utilized beyond mere role confirmation. Good to know. I considered it a weak role.

I mean this was lylo. lol if kohai wants to say it wasn’t mylo he’s wrong but it’s his game so he can hand town the win if he wants I guess

I just meant that it shows Popular can be used to lure scum to a false wagon in general.

You'd have to bank on the mod not including it turning off at MYLO/LYLO, but yes, it's possible.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:37 PM (post #124)

Agreed with Luna. Even if you're telling the truth, it's still MYLO and it just becomes a probability game.

I didn't realize it could still be MYLO if there's even a chance town can make it to the next day phase.

Originally Posted by Banana on 7/8/2026 at 11:37 PM (post #125)

so did we win

Still not 100% on that, tbh. Seems like Kohai's talking with a couple of neutral arbiters about it.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 9:37 PM (post #126)

I meant that even though this example happened in the context of MYLO it proves the role has applications beyond the context of MYLO.

You guys are really gonna need to tell me how you came up with this Comedian/Secondary Vig plan.

Well I didn’t lie about my role, it actually was a night 2 activated vig. That’s why I didn’t believe Mikal was one, we killed him thinking he was trying to intimidate scum away from another power role, so we called the bluff. Was surprised that he was actually a second vig. Whiteflame had already had Mrs. Maisel lined up as a fake and I told him about the comedian role from supas South Park game though and thought it would be perfect for a gambit. Goal was to potentially use it to bus me and confirm him, since my flip would be a np2 vig, as well as bait out the protective role since bp was one of the claims on it. And in the best scenario if we both loved id be able to prove my role tonight.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

If we define MYLO as any 4-2 situation, then it is. But if the definition of MYLO takes roles into accounts, then any doctor present means 4-2 isn’t technically MYLO. In this game there’s not even a perfect play you can make to guarantee the NK, so it really does come down to the protect mind games and therefore not MYLO by the latter definition of MYLO.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 11:39 PM (post #128)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:37 PM (post #124)

Agreed with Luna. Even if you're telling the truth, it's still MYLO and it just becomes a probability game.

I didn't realize it could still be MYLO if there's even a chance town can make it to the next day phase.

MYLO/LYLO is based on the number of town players vs. the number of scum players, not available night actions. So if it's 4-2, then it's 2 off of parity, and it's MYLO. You can go to LYLO if our NK target survives the NP, but that doesn't change the status of the previous DP. The only role that would change that status is one that increases the count of town players by other means (e.g. a Restless Spirit that counts towards parity), though those are pretty rare and I don't think they're in play here.

Originally Posted by wylted on 7/8/2026 at 11:40 PM (post #130)

I think the neutral arbiters will most likely rule in your favor but that might also depend on if he told wryly she loses the role in mylo or intended for her to without telling her

True, it's possible that her role just persists into MYLO, though that would be unusual.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #132)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

If we define MYLO as any 4-2 situation, then it is. But if the definition of MYLO takes roles into accounts, then any doctor present means 4-2 isn’t technically MYLO. In this game there’s not even a perfect play you can make to guarantee the NK, so it really does come down to the protect mind games and therefore not MYLO by the latter definition of MYLO.

If MYLO still means mislynch and lose, and the mislynch causes us to kill someone you fail to protect and you lose, than a mislynch resulted in a loss

Yes.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:41 PM (post #131)

Well I didn’t lie about my role, it actually was a night 2 activated vig. That’s why I didn’t believe Mikal was one, we killed him thinking he was trying to intimidate scum away from another power role, so we called the bluff. Was surprised that he was actually a second vig. Whiteflame had already had Mrs. Maisel lined up as a fake and I told him about the comedian role from supas South Park game though and thought it would be perfect for a gambit. Goal was to potentially use it to bus me and confirm him, since my flip would be a np2 vig, as well as bait out the protective role since bp was one of the claims on it. And in the best scenario if we both loved id be able to prove my role tonight.

Wow. I was more willing to believe you stole the ability than that there were two identical roles even on either side of the alignment divide.

Bussy strategies are so hard to sus out. What with this one and the one with wylted, I'mma have to mark you down as a Serial Bus Strategist, mister.

Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:45 PM (post #136)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #132)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

If we define MYLO as any 4-2 situation, then it is. But if the definition of MYLO takes roles into accounts, then any doctor present means 4-2 isn’t technically MYLO. In this game there’s not even a perfect play you can make to guarantee the NK, so it really does come down to the protect mind games and therefore not MYLO by the latter definition of MYLO.

If MYLO still means mislynch and lose, and the mislynch causes us to kill someone you fail to protect and you lose, than a mislynch resulted in a loss

yeah but if the mislynch results in me blocking the kill in the night, then it’s still game on

I regret only that I forgot to post any Donut quotes today.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #140)

Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.

I'm working on endgame now. I think this debate is worth having. Having a clear community standard on when MyLo begins will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/8/2026 at 11:55 PM (post #143)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #140)

Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.

I'm working on endgame now. I think this debate is worth having. Having a clear community standard on when MyLo begins will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.

Alright, makes sense. You should probably clarify the outcome publicly.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 9:47 PM (post #139)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:41 PM (post #131)

Well I didn’t lie about my role, it actually was a night 2 activated vig. That’s why I didn’t believe Mikal was one, we killed him thinking he was trying to intimidate scum away from another power role, so we called the bluff. Was surprised that he was actually a second vig. Whiteflame had already had Mrs. Maisel lined up as a fake and I told him about the comedian role from supas South Park game though and thought it would be perfect for a gambit. Goal was to potentially use it to bus me and confirm him, since my flip would be a np2 vig, as well as bait out the protective role since bp was one of the claims on it. And in the best scenario if we both loved id be able to prove my role tonight.

Wow. I was more willing to believe you stole the ability than that there were two identical roles even on either side of the alignment divide.

Bussy strategies are so hard to sus out. What with this one and the one with wylted, I'mma have to mark you down as a Serial Bus Strategist, mister.

lmao the funny thing is I do it time and time again and almost never get called out for it. It’s like that Jesse pink man meme “He can’t keep getting away with this!” Except I do! Mwahahaha

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #141)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:45 PM (post #136)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #132)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

If we define MYLO as any 4-2 situation, then it is. But if the definition of MYLO takes roles into accounts, then any doctor present means 4-2 isn’t technically MYLO. In this game there’s not even a perfect play you can make to guarantee the NK, so it really does come down to the protect mind games and therefore not MYLO by the latter definition of MYLO.

If MYLO still means mislynch and lose, and the mislynch causes us to kill someone you fail to protect and you lose, than a mislynch resulted in a loss

yeah but if the mislynch results in me blocking the kill in the night, then it’s still game on

You can’t post justify mylo though lol. It’s either mylo or it isnt

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:56 PM (post #144)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/8/2026 at 11:55 PM (post #143)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #140)

Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.

I'm working on endgame now. I think this debate is worth having. Having a clear community standard on when MyLo begins will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.

Alright, makes sense. You should probably clarify the outcome publicly.

I think I'm going to declare this a tie. There's a strong case to be made for both sides. Endgame will be up in a minute.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:59 PM (post #146)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #141)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:45 PM (post #136)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #132)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

If we define MYLO as any 4-2 situation, then it is. But if the definition of MYLO takes roles into accounts, then any doctor present means 4-2 isn’t technically MYLO. In this game there’s not even a perfect play you can make to guarantee the NK, so it really does come down to the protect mind games and therefore not MYLO by the latter definition of MYLO.

If MYLO still means mislynch and lose, and the mislynch causes us to kill someone you fail to protect and you lose, than a mislynch resulted in a loss

yeah but if the mislynch results in me blocking the kill in the night, then it’s still game on

You can’t post justify mylo though lol. It’s either mylo or it isnt

my point is that *if* the definition of MYLO takes roles into account, then this isn’t MYLO. How is that post hoc justification?

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/9/2026 at 12:01 AM (post #147)

I think I'm going to declare this a tie. There's a strong case to be made for both sides. Endgame will be up in a minute.

This is fair of you, but it kind of leaves me in the lurch on what the official definition of MYLO is on DC.

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/8/2026 at 10:01 PM (post #147)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:56 PM (post #144)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/8/2026 at 11:55 PM (post #143)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #140)

Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.

I'm working on endgame now. I think this debate is worth having. Having a clear community standard on when MyLo begins will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.

Alright, makes sense. You should probably clarify the outcome publicly.

I think I'm going to declare this a tie. There's a strong case to be made for both sides. Endgame will be up in a minute.

Should just let it go to the night phase and we Russian roulette the protection and kill see who wins