BROR Mafia [day phase 3]

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #148)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:59 PM (post #146)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #141)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:45 PM (post #136)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #132)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

If we define MYLO as any 4-2 situation, then it is. But if the definition of MYLO takes roles into accounts, then any doctor present means 4-2 isn’t technically MYLO. In this game there’s not even a perfect play you can make to guarantee the NK, so it really does come down to the protect mind games and therefore not MYLO by the latter definition of MYLO.

If MYLO still means mislynch and lose, and the mislynch causes us to kill someone you fail to protect and you lose, than a mislynch resulted in a loss

yeah but if the mislynch results in me blocking the kill in the night, then it’s still game on

You can’t post justify mylo though lol. It’s either mylo or it isnt

my point is that *if* the definition of MYLO takes roles into account, then this isn’t MYLO. How is that post hoc justification?

Does the definition of mylo take roles into account? Historically it hasn’t

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/9/2026 at 12:01 AM (post #147)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:56 PM (post #144)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/8/2026 at 11:55 PM (post #143)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #140)

Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.

I'm working on endgame now. I think this debate is worth having. Having a clear community standard on when MyLo begins will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.

Alright, makes sense. You should probably clarify the outcome publicly.

I think I'm going to declare this a tie. There's a strong case to be made for both sides. Endgame will be up in a minute.

Going to hold off on giving thoughts on this until I see the endgame since there might be more going on than I'm aware of.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/9/2026 at 12:07 AM (post #151)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #148)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:59 PM (post #146)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:54 PM (post #141)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:45 PM (post #136)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:42 PM (post #132)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 11:34 PM (post #121)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 7/8/2026 at 9:31 PM (post #118)

If it’s two scum and no TP, then it is MYLO

MislYnch = LOse

I guess on a technicality some roles could make it not MYLO if mafia makes the wrong plays.

That’s why.

My doctor can’t be roleblocked or redirected. I hid that. So mafia does actually have to guess who I protect it. So I can block a kill and therefore its not MYLO.

Yeah even if the doctor can’t be stopped it should be mylo, but I guess there’s a sneaking possible you calculate and guess who we kill tonight. We can always gamble that choice to make an official decision but at that point it’s just a Russian roulette

If we define MYLO as any 4-2 situation, then it is. But if the definition of MYLO takes roles into accounts, then any doctor present means 4-2 isn’t technically MYLO. In this game there’s not even a perfect play you can make to guarantee the NK, so it really does come down to the protect mind games and therefore not MYLO by the latter definition of MYLO.

If MYLO still means mislynch and lose, and the mislynch causes us to kill someone you fail to protect and you lose, than a mislynch resulted in a loss

yeah but if the mislynch results in me blocking the kill in the night, then it’s still game on

You can’t post justify mylo though lol. It’s either mylo or it isnt

my point is that *if* the definition of MYLO takes roles into account, then this isn’t MYLO. How is that post hoc justification?

Does the definition of mylo take roles into account? Historically it hasn’t

Well, have we had a situation like this come up before? I don’t know.

DCraft needs an ecumenical council on the definition of MyLO and LYLO lol

Endgame: https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/7d/byor-mafia-endgame