BROR Mafia [day phase 3]

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:26 PM (post #30)

Lol I absolutely do not believe Kohai puts two Cycle 2+ unlimited Vigs in one game, and if he did, I'm never playing his games again.

VTL: Lunatic

I didn't believe it either until mikal flipped lol. I don't know how to respond to that, I mean I have proved it and can continue to prove it. Unless you think mafia just have a second night kill which is even more busted.

I'm supposed to believe you saw Mikal claim Vig and did not counterclaim? That you chose to target Rex, who screamed town? That town got two identical killing roles? Nah. You're either 3P or mafia.

Could be mafia got an ability that lets them rob the dead and killed Mikal to harvest his Vig.

Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:37 PM (post #20)

Was your power a 1x? Did you target someone last night?

I won't say how many shots I have, but I tried to target Rex, figuring I could either confirm his claim this DP or have a more solid reason to sus him. I didn't get a result.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 7:47 PM (post #35)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:37 PM (post #20)

Was your power a 1x? Did you target someone last night?

I won't say how many shots I have, but I tried to target Rex, figuring I could either confirm his claim this DP or have a more solid reason to sus him. I didn't get a result.

What message did you get, exactly?

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:44 PM (post #24)

Just can't understand not NKing the Doc. Would understand it if Mag1c was scum, but no one fake claims Doc, and there's no other claimed protective role on the board -- plus Mag1c is the one who suggested the VTNL last DP, and if he hadn't we could be at MYLO right now.

Can't say I get it, either. With his claim, he's one of the more townread players remaining. With that and the capacity to stop the NK, you'd think he would be the primary choice. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen a game that lacked protectives, but it would be pretty hard to believe there's no Doc.

Hold yer horses I'll get to it. My role is confirmable.

Alright, not sure if you've claimed by now, but I'm still working my way through the DP.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)

So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 7:51 PM (post #36)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 7:47 PM (post #35)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:37 PM (post #20)

Was your power a 1x? Did you target someone last night?

I won't say how many shots I have, but I tried to target Rex, figuring I could either confirm his claim this DP or have a more solid reason to sus him. I didn't get a result.

What message did you get, exactly?

I was told my target, Rex, was dead.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:33 PM (post #32)

I'm supposed to believe you saw Mikal claim Vig and did not counterclaim?

I told you many times I thought he was baiting. Didn't think he was actually a vig, why would I counter claim an obviously bs claim? Imagine my surprise when he was actually the same role as me.

That you chose to target Rex, who screamed town?

Nah, i'm gonna need you to actually explain this one to me. Multiple people suspected rex. He was my top scum read next to banana.. Peep my reads kast day phase.

That town got two identical killing roles? Nah. You're either 3P or mafia.

How tf am I even supposed to respond to this lol. I am sorry kohai is a shit mod I guess, but I did tell you multiple times this was the case.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #34)

Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.

Just saying if magic protected a kill, I would have been unable to confirm myself. If I was actually scum I would be killing magic all day.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 5:55 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)

So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.

Do you not believe your own results or something? I don't know what to tell you. Im a NP2 vig. That's what I am.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:04 PM (post #42)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 5:55 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)

So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.

Do you not believe your own results or something? I don't know what to tell you. Im a NP2 vig. That's what I am.

I trust that my results are accurate, but they don't say anything about alignment. Two town Vigs, even with a delay, aren't believable. Having another killing role in play likely means it's associated with a TP, and while that's still hard to stomach, it can at least make some sense from a balance perspective.

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 6:10 PM (post #43)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:04 PM (post #42)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 5:55 PM (post #38)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 7:08 PM (post #27)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 2:04 PM (post #10)

So... there were somehow two NKs?

I don't get the choices, either. Both Pie and Rex were getting sussed to varying degrees last DP, so why kill them? I feel like I'm missing something. Really frustrating as well because both could have role confirmed themselves.

Rex was me, and he was my second top scum read behind banana, which is why I killed him. Sucks he wasn't scum.... I feel slightly less bad about it given we no lynched yesterday but a mis vig is still a mis vig. Now that I have demonstrated my role, I will be much more conservative with it. I didn't even really want to submit a kill honestly. Happy to forfeit this role unless I am pretty damn sure someone is scum. I was going to shoot banana, but switched to rex last second because of niggling doubts.

Looking at this and your post above it, it's hard to believe there are two NP2+ Vigs in the game, and that's coming from someone who got that exact role on my list of three. If you're a Serial Killer TP or something, now would be a good time to clarify given that we're likely at MYLO.

Do you not believe your own results or something? I don't know what to tell you. Im a NP2 vig. That's what I am.

I trust that my results are accurate, but they don't say anything about alignment. Two town Vigs, even with a delay, aren't believable. Having another killing role in play likely means it's associated with a TP, and while that's still hard to stomach, it can at least make some sense from a balance perspective.

When have you ever seen a mafia or third party titled "Night 2 activated vig"? Regardless of your assumption about my alignment, the existence of a second vig is 100% proof the balance is fucked.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #40)

I told you many times I thought he was baiting. Didn't think he was actually a vig, why would I counter claim an obviously bs claim? Imagine my surprise when he was actually the same role as me.

Yeah I had a blond moment there.

Nah, i'm gonna need you to actually explain this one to me. Multiple people suspected rex. He was my top scum read next to banana.. Peep my reads kast day phase.

I'm judging your judgment through the lens of my judgment, judgmentally. Lol. Or to put it in other words, Rex was so clearly town to me based on his behavior that I struggle to see town!Lunatic genuinely sussing him. I was baffled that Pie VTL'd him too. At least whiteflame only VTL'd him because he was a claim void.

How tf am I even supposed to respond to this lol. I am sorry kohai is a shit mod I guess, but I did tell you multiple times this was the case.

I won't believe even Kohai would put two of the same role into a game unless they were on either side of an alignment divide.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:02 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #34)

Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.

Just saying if magic protected a kill, I would have been unable to confirm myself. If I was actually scum I would be killing magic all day.

I'm sure scum have a Strongman or some such and that y'all would use it for Rex's kill to make sure it went through so you could sell this story, and since Mag1c had Pie in his POE there were low odds he would doc him. There's not a strong case to be made for you sussing Mag1c, so he's not a viable target. Better to lay the groundwork for a Rex kill, bump him off, try to sell it DP3, then bump Mag1c off NP3.

Unless you're 3P.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:21 PM (post #46)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:01 PM (post #40)

I told you many times I thought he was baiting. Didn't think he was actually a vig, why would I counter claim an obviously bs claim? Imagine my surprise when he was actually the same role as me.

Yeah I had a blond moment there.

Nah, i'm gonna need you to actually explain this one to me. Multiple people suspected rex. He was my top scum read next to banana.. Peep my reads kast day phase.

I'm judging your judgment through the lens of my judgment, judgmentally. Lol. Or to put it in other words, Rex was so clearly town to me based on his behavior that I struggle to see town!Lunatic genuinely sussing him. I was baffled that Pie VTL'd him too. At least whiteflame only VTL'd him because he was a claim void

His refusal to claim after being extremely inactive, plus sussing whiteflame who seemed likeliest to be town based on his results and claim and overall behavior, plus rex's outright refusal to claim, he wasn't getting town points for me. I was wrong I guess, but I don't see that him being a scum read is so outside of the realm of possibility.

How tf am I even supposed to respond to this lol. I am sorry kohai is a shit mod I guess, but I did tell you multiple times this was the case.

I won't believe even Kohai would put two of the same role into a game unless they were on either side of an alignment divide.

Even if the two roles are on the opposite teams, that doesn't make the balance any better, so this isn't solving the issue of balance your positing.

Also you need to claim, we are probably in MYLO. No reason to hold it back at this point.

Ah fuck, are we in MYLO? Lemme check.

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

Automated Vote Count

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Lunatic (1/4): Wryly (p#30)

Wryly (1/4): wylted (p#44)

Not Voting (4): Banana, Lunatic, Mag1cman, whiteflame

With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 20 hours.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:27 PM (post #47)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:02 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 5:47 PM (post #34)

Would also explain the no Mag1c kill. If they've got two shots per night the Doc isn't as much of a threat, and the priority becomes to remove Pie from the conversation DP3, and to get Rex out of the way, cuz he was looking less and less likely to be a mislynch target.

Just saying if magic protected a kill, I would have been unable to confirm myself. If I was actually scum I would be killing magic all day.

I'm sure scum have a Strongman or some such and that y'all would use it for Rex's kill to make sure it went through so you could sell this story, and since Mag1c had Pie in his POE there were low odds he would doc him.

It's strange that you would jump to a conclusion that scum was banking on a strongman to get their second kill off instead of just asking magic who he protected. This could be a lot simpler to solve, but your already jumping to the conclusion that I am guilty, which if this is mylo, makes sense that you would be setting me up as a mislynch lol.

There's not a strong case to be made for you sussing Mag1c, so he's not a viable target.

If I was scum I kill magic here all day. Not only does he prevent me from confirming myself, he also was suspecting me alongside pie and whiteflame. 0 Utility in keeping him alive from my pov.

Better to lay the groundwork for a Rex kill, bump him off, try to sell it DP3, then bump Mag1c off NP3.

Unless you're 3P.

If you think there is a high likelihood im third party, voting me still makes town lose, and still doesn't make this shit balanced. None of your thought process makes sense here.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

LOL

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

If there's any realm of possibilty that you are town, I am not gonna beat you up for this, but I would like to know the thought process behind waiting until now to claim this at least lol. I think you understand now how with holding this claim til mylo was... not a good play.

I did ask Mag1c who he protected. I freely admit that my analysis here is 100% built on the premise that you can't be town because there cannot be two identical town Vigs, so my suppositions must by necessity grow more specific as I struggle to explain the data through the lens of that premise.

If you're 3P, I definitely need to remove my vote, but I can't be sure you are. I wouldn't expect even a 3P to have Mikal's exact same role, to be frank. This would make a lot more sense if you simply are mafia and gravedug the role from Mikal.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:38 PM (post #54)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

If there's any realm of possibilty that you are town, I am not gonna beat you up for this, but I would like to know the thought process behind waiting until now to claim this at least lol. I think you understand now how with holding this claim til mylo was... not a good play.

I've never seen anyone actually do anything with Popular except role confirm themselves. I wanted to see if I could use it to farm actionable data, maybe see who tried to start a wagon on me, but no opportunity arose. I planned to claim this DP, but in my defense it did not occur to me in a bazillion years that there was another lethal role in the game, that there would be two NK's last night, and we could be at MYLO today.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:41 PM (post #55)

I did ask Mag1c who he protected. I freely admit that my analysis here is 100% built on the premise that you can't be town because there cannot be two identical town Vigs, so my suppositions must by necessity grow more specific as I struggle to explain the data through the lens of that premise.

If you're 3P, I definitely need to remove my vote, but I can't be sure you are. I wouldn't expect even a 3P to have Mikal's exact same role, to be frank. This would make a lot more sense if you simply are mafia and gravedug the role from Mikal.

So it sounds like the entirety of your vote on me is based on the hope that you think the mod made any sense of balance here. But I don't even agree that a scum vig with a town vig is balanced. Two vigges in a ten player game is just wild no matter how you spin it, with only one doctor to boot.

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:44 PM (post #56)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:38 PM (post #54)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #50)

Well fuck my life. I'm Town Popular. If we're in MYLO, I'm not confirmable and that's gg lol.

If there's any realm of possibilty that you are town, I am not gonna beat you up for this, but I would like to know the thought process behind waiting until now to claim this at least lol. I think you understand now how with holding this claim til mylo was... not a good play.

I've never seen anyone actually do anything with Popular except role confirm themselves. I wanted to see if I could use it to farm actionable data, maybe see who tried to start a wagon on me, but no opportunity arose.

Popular is one of those roles that mods frequently use for both teams, you can claim that dp1 and still receive a bit of suspivion for it. Also as you now know, it loses all utility in MYLO as that would be OP. So in general, it's considered an SOP claim.

I planned to claim this DP, but in my defense it did not occur to me in a bazillion years that there was another lethal role in the game, that there would be two NK's last night, and we could be at MYLO today.

Okay but if I wasn't a vig, and we got a mislynch instead, we would have been in the exact same spot numbers wise, so this is either an oversight, or a lie.

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:48 PM (post #57)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/8/2026 at 6:41 PM (post #55)

I did ask Mag1c who he protected. I freely admit that my analysis here is 100% built on the premise that you can't be town because there cannot be two identical town Vigs, so my suppositions must by necessity grow more specific as I struggle to explain the data through the lens of that premise.

If you're 3P, I definitely need to remove my vote, but I can't be sure you are. I wouldn't expect even a 3P to have Mikal's exact same role, to be frank. This would make a lot more sense if you simply are mafia and gravedug the role from Mikal.

So it sounds like the entirety of your vote on me is based on the hope that you think the mod made any sense of balance here. But I don't even agree that a scum vig with a town vig is balanced. Two vigges in a ten player game is just wild no matter how you spin it, with only one doctor to boot.

Yes, 100%, I'm hoping against hope Kohai gave scum like a Graverobber and a JOAT and that this game is not terribly balanced. I must have faith that I will not facepalm at endgame!

Coming innnn on a winggg and a prayerrrrr~

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 7/8/2026 at 8:51 PM (post #58)

Popular is one of those roles that mods frequently use for both teams, you can claim that dp1 and still receive a bit of suspivion for it. Also as you now know, it loses all utility in MYLO as that would be OP. So in general, it's considered an SOP claim.

Hated, yes. Popular, eh.

I planned to claim this DP, but in my defense it did not occur to me in a bazillion years that there was another lethal role in the game, that there would be two NK's last night, and we could be at MYLO today.

Okay but if I wasn't a vig, and we got a mislynch instead, we would have been in the exact same spot numbers wise, so this is either an oversight, or a lie.

Oh yeah. I should've claimed last DP then. Oh well. I'm not good at keeping track of the numbers. With no confirmable role, I'm sure my head's on the block. I'm not even mad, my fault for trying to be too clever about the Popular thing and losing track of the math.