Going to bed, ill be back on this evening/night time
Going to bed, ill be back on this evening/night time
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Wow, woke up and no one has posted? This is giving me a bad feeling
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Gonna need something form you brother. I was just praising your activity and effort lol
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I'm here and I'm isoing you
I still don’t know what to type!
K
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Can you respond to 1074
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Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/3/2026 at 7:35 AM (post #1074)
@magic
In post 505 you seem to be questioning pie was recruit. However at the end of dp1 you seemed you were leaning towards the OG scum team being pie/kohai as can be seen in 373.
What changed between those two posts that made you think pie was not paired with kohai as the original scum team?
Based on his claim mostly. The one world in which Pie doesn’t have any reads, is one in which he’s being cagey. It’s how i called him as Ted Lasso in Ted Lasso Mafia. If his role is important, he’ll be cagey about his reads. So based on his claim, I had thought the behavior matched with an investigative.
Go to #586 … or was it #685? I don’t remember. But I eventually figured out that he still could’ve been og scum with Kohai. He was the first person I analyzed in-depth.
In post 642 you said you were fully cleared. What is this based on?
is it: "like you'd have to think Pie recruited me, and lied about watching me to "clear me." Good luck arguing that."
If so, why wouldn't be pie lie about watching you if you were scum together? Especially if he is scum, and already knows they didn't visit you, its a relatively safer bet isn't it? Only other roles they would have to gamble that around would be if you were randomly copped by thoth or mikal, but a watcher result with no visitor is hedging his bets either way, might as well do it on someone they know they didn't visit, especially if that person was previously town and pie thinks he can use his result for town cred.
From the third party PoV, there is none. Those posts were made to be intentionally bad. Remember what I said last DP. To improve my odds of getting a result with my role NP2, I needed to improve my odds of survival. And if I’m sussed a little bit, I’m surviving.
Thats all I got for you for now, I'll read some more later, and get to some questions for mago too. Still reading through your guys ISO's.
Your overall activity (200) posts and the content in them seems very reminiscent of your town games, obviously you were at least town dp1, but I don't see a lot of drop off or deviance from your original posting style. If you are scum, you have blended in with your town posting style well.
Thx.
I still don’t know what to type!
Finished Lunatic’s ISO. This game is hard. Will look at both iso’s again with fresh eyes tomorrow morning
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With mago the biggest thing I think he is town for is his last day phase. If he was scum he could have easily bandwagoned with mikal to get one of his targets, which was me or magic. I guess there is pretty big value in getting mikal lynched too, so its not completely off the table that there was scum motivation there.
The biggest question I think for me is about pie and bussing him. Would pie do it? Sure. Did he, or would he?
Pie is not a notorious busser, he has done it but for pie to do it he has to think there is a lot of value. I had one game on DART where pie was scum and bussed casey with an investigative result. He ended up winning that one, but it was a very close call and I very nearly hammered him for it. To be honest, just haven't seen him bus much since then. Him not bussing kohai dp1, could have been bad for him though and was a large part of why I pieced together they were linked, since he wasn't using consistent logic about thoth that he has used on kohai in the passed. So him not bussing is what drew all that attention to him in the first place. Part of me thinks pie wouldn't want to risk that again, so the mago think could have been an actual bus attempt to distance himself.
That or it was what it seemed like; A last minute hail mary to get at least one mislynch before his inevitable downfall.
I am pretty torn on this but I can see it both ways. Just have to think how pie would think.
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When does the day phase end?
I still don’t know what to type!
If I can’t figure it out tomorrow, I am genuinely flipping a coin.
I hate this. This is the most 50/50 shit ever.
I still don’t know what to type!
Worse yet is if I’m alive, Pie is playing mind games, possibly mind games targeted toward me. At which point I don’t think I’m getting the call correct.
I still don’t know what to type!
if u look at the top of the page it tells you exactly how much time u have
This is why Yakuzas are almost more hated than Tailors lol.
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Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/3/2026 at 10:30 PM (post #1097)
Worse yet is if I’m alive, Pie is playing mind games, possibly mind games targeted toward me. At which point I don’t think I’m getting the call correct.
I felt like the mind games were directed at me honestly lol
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Okay let's break things down a bit.
With magic, his early activity and investment was definitely his town meta. Obviously he would have been town dp1 no matter what, but you dont really see a drop off come day phase two. He maybe isn't as paranoid as I would expect of town magic, but his reads early were pretty accurate.
The biggest thing that can be used against him is his kind of buying into pies BS. Kind of hard to completely fault him or anyone for that in hindsight, even knowing pie was scum. He was claiming an investigative result and it seemed catered toward making magic town read him. Magic like me, was also pretty hard on pie dp1. I can see pie using that watcher result to garner town cred from magic. Sucking up to someone who scum reads you is something pie could do. He was doing it to me as well pretty much all of dp2, and would just say I was tunneling him whenever I wouldn't buy into his bs.
The thing with magic's role and the lie going into it about being roleblocked, I don't know. I can see what the intended strategy was, so I won't fault him for lying there since he technically didn't ever need to come clean about not being roleblocked. His "info" on mikal was pretty shoddy, I thought so from the start since a lot of it was made on presumed grammar about mikal's posting style when in actuality it was a null tell. The result trips me up with him being scum. I kind of expecting magoroth to start the day phase tunneling that, in which case I would have thought mago was scummier, but the fact that it hasn't been brought up is interesting.
I was town reading magic for that whole thing because I didn't think he would be do that as scum, I think he genuinely thought his result meant something there, and maybe got a bit tunnel minded on it. Also that's a lot of WIFOM to play into to go into a 1 v 1 death match in LYLO.
As scum he could of just thought no one would call his bluff in lylo, and he would probably be right, but at bare minimum that strategy just draws a ton of unwanted attention to himself. I don't see why he would do this as scum. He came into day phase 4 pretty paranoid sounding about being set up as a mislynch by being left alive.
So my gut tells me that magic isn't scum because I just don't see the strategy behind any of what he is doing. Magic is someone who I have a lot of respect for his scum game, especially after watching him in Ted Lasso. He is one of the most underratted scum players on the site. The whole thing with mikal really doesn't strike me as him just trying to grab a mislynch. Also I just played with magic as scum and I just don't see any blaring similarities in his play or deviances from his dp1 play.
Looking at mago, I do town read him as well, if I didn't I would have lynched him already, or would have helped pie lynch him to prove his role. With my recent though about pie maybe wanting to bus after being caught up by being "too linked" to kohai though, it is starting to make me consider the possibility that it was a bus even heavier. Pie knew he was cooked, his options were limited. Trying to gain mago town cred is probably the last play he could make. Like part of me feels like that is just way to simple to be the answer, and wants to dismiss that as pie just trying to get one more hail mary lynch off before he dies the next day, which is also in character for pie.
So the last thing I really want to talk about is the wylted kill. Why was he killed and who does that kill benefit the most?
Wylted had runs ins with both magic and mago.
Wylted had a couple of posts suggesting he thought magic was scum:
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=978
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=983
So even if I behaviorally don't think magic was scummy, there is enough to suggest he has a lot of motive to kill wylted, as he wouldn't want to be in a LYLO situation with him. The same could be said about me since mikal kept saying he thinks wylted would vote me in LYLO, but I don't think he would have actually and never saw wylted really confirm that to mikal. Magic also said wylted could have been killed to set him up as a mislynch, so that is something I am heavily willing to consider as well, because that is definitely something pie could concoct with mago.
As far as mago goes, the same could almost be said for him.
Wylted says: "If you flip innocent I am going to pursue mago anyway. Don't think your death will be in vain if you flip guilty maybe not, but an innocent flip and I won't be able to see past him"
And Mago later responds "Why me"
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=767
Which could suggest paranoia around wylted in a LYLO situation with him.
He also was pretty adverse to wylted in DP2:
"I think Wylted is scummiest, I abandon what I said ab Mac1cman. Followed by IMO Mikal for basically stating he wanted to confirm himself noe that Yakuza is dead. This is the type of fake derp he drops as scum. Ofc its also possible its a genuinr mistale, idk how Yakuza works in general."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=597
The early adversity is also a reason he could have killed wylted thinking wylted would could have a past grudge on him, since he was also scum reading him back and they had a bit of a back and forth about it.
The WIFOM goes the same way against both players though so the idea that wylted was killed to frame someone is losing some legitimacy since a wylted kill could look bad for either of them.
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I know Yakuzas suck, but I’m a little disappointed in the lack of activity here in Lylo. It’s not the best sign for a successful endgame.
I will be sleeping then have a concert this evening, so if activity suddenly sparks today I might not be available for most of it. But I will do my best.
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wya
I still don’t know what to type!
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 04/09/2026 at 8:24 (post #1102)
Okay let's break things down a bit.
With magic, his early activity and investment was definitely his town meta. Obviously he would have been town dp1 no matter what, but you dont really see a drop off come day phase two. He maybe isn't as paranoid as I would expect of town magic, but his reads early were pretty accurate.
The biggest thing that can be used against him is his kind of buying into pies BS. Kind of hard to completely fault him or anyone for that in hindsight, even knowing pie was scum. He was claiming an investigative result and it seemed catered toward making magic town read him. Magic like me, was also pretty hard on pie dp1. I can see pie using that watcher result to garner town cred from magic. Sucking up to someone who scum reads you is something pie could do. He was doing it to me as well pretty much all of dp2, and would just say I was tunneling him whenever I wouldn't buy into his bs.
The thing with magic's role and the lie going into it about being roleblocked, I don't know. I can see what the intended strategy was, so I won't fault him for lying there since he technically didn't ever need to come clean about not being roleblocked. His "info" on mikal was pretty shoddy, I thought so from the start since a lot of it was made on presumed grammar about mikal's posting style when in actuality it was a null tell. The result trips me up with him being scum. I kind of expecting magoroth to start the day phase tunneling that, in which case I would have thought mago was scummier, but the fact that it hasn't been brought up is interesting.
I was town reading magic for that whole thing because I didn't think he would be do that as scum, I think he genuinely thought his result meant something there, and maybe got a bit tunnel minded on it. Also that's a lot of WIFOM to play into to go into a 1 v 1 death match in LYLO.
As scum he could of just thought no one would call his bluff in lylo, and he would probably be right, but at bare minimum that strategy just draws a ton of unwanted attention to himself. I don't see why he would do this as scum. He came into day phase 4 pretty paranoid sounding about being set up as a mislynch by being left alive.
So my gut tells me that magic isn't scum because I just don't see the strategy behind any of what he is doing. Magic is someone who I have a lot of respect for his scum game, especially after watching him in Ted Lasso. He is one of the most underratted scum players on the site. The whole thing with mikal really doesn't strike me as him just trying to grab a mislynch. Also I just played with magic as scum and I just don't see any blaring similarities in his play or deviances from his dp1 play.
Looking at mago, I do town read him as well, if I didn't I would have lynched him already, or would have helped pie lynch him to prove his role. With my recent though about pie maybe wanting to bus after being caught up by being "too linked" to kohai though, it is starting to make me consider the possibility that it was a bus even heavier. Pie knew he was cooked, his options were limited. Trying to gain mago town cred is probably the last play he could make. Like part of me feels like that is just way to simple to be the answer, and wants to dismiss that as pie just trying to get one more hail mary lynch off before he dies the next day, which is also in character for pie.
So the last thing I really want to talk about is the wylted kill. Why was he killed and who does that kill benefit the most?
Wylted had runs ins with both magic and mago.
Wylted had a couple of posts suggesting he thought magic was scum:
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=978
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?page=35&comment_number=980
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=983
So even if I behaviorally don't think magic was scummy, there is enough to suggest he has a lot of motive to kill wylted, as he wouldn't want to be in a LYLO situation with him. The same could be said about me since mikal kept saying he thinks wylted would vote me in LYLO, but I don't think he would have actually and never saw wylted really confirm that to mikal. Magic also said wylted could have been killed to set him up as a mislynch, so that is something I am heavily willing to consider as well, because that is definitely something pie could concoct with mago.
As far as mago goes, the same could almost be said for him.
Wylted says: "If you flip innocent I am going to pursue mago anyway. Don't think your death will be in vain if you flip guilty maybe not, but an innocent flip and I won't be able to see past him"
And Mago later responds "Why me"
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=767
Which could suggest paranoia around wylted in a LYLO situation with him.
He also was pretty adverse to wylted in DP2:
"I think Wylted is scummiest, I abandon what I said ab Mac1cman. Followed by IMO Mikal for basically stating he wanted to confirm himself noe that Yakuza is dead. This is the type of fake derp he drops as scum. Ofc its also possible its a genuinr mistale, idk how Yakuza works in general."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=597
The early adversity is also a reason he could have killed wylted thinking wylted would could have a past grudge on him, since he was also scum reading him back and they had a bit of a back and forth about it.
The WIFOM goes the same way against both players though so the idea that wylted was killed to frame someone is losing some legitimacy since a wylted kill could look bad for either of them.
I know my reply is very short, but your conclusion is basically you see us both as Town, correct? because not gonna lie that is exactly how I feel. It doesn’t feel like either of you is scum
Originally Posted by Magoroth on 9/4/2026 at 4:13 PM (post #1105)
Originally Posted by Lunatic on 04/09/2026 at 8:24 (post #1102)
Okay let's break things down a bit.
With magic, his early activity and investment was definitely his town meta. Obviously he would have been town dp1 no matter what, but you dont really see a drop off come day phase two. He maybe isn't as paranoid as I would expect of town magic, but his reads early were pretty accurate.
The biggest thing that can be used against him is his kind of buying into pies BS. Kind of hard to completely fault him or anyone for that in hindsight, even knowing pie was scum. He was claiming an investigative result and it seemed catered toward making magic town read him. Magic like me, was also pretty hard on pie dp1. I can see pie using that watcher result to garner town cred from magic. Sucking up to someone who scum reads you is something pie could do. He was doing it to me as well pretty much all of dp2, and would just say I was tunneling him whenever I wouldn't buy into his bs.
The thing with magic's role and the lie going into it about being roleblocked, I don't know. I can see what the intended strategy was, so I won't fault him for lying there since he technically didn't ever need to come clean about not being roleblocked. His "info" on mikal was pretty shoddy, I thought so from the start since a lot of it was made on presumed grammar about mikal's posting style when in actuality it was a null tell. The result trips me up with him being scum. I kind of expecting magoroth to start the day phase tunneling that, in which case I would have thought mago was scummier, but the fact that it hasn't been brought up is interesting.
I was town reading magic for that whole thing because I didn't think he would be do that as scum, I think he genuinely thought his result meant something there, and maybe got a bit tunnel minded on it. Also that's a lot of WIFOM to play into to go into a 1 v 1 death match in LYLO.
As scum he could of just thought no one would call his bluff in lylo, and he would probably be right, but at bare minimum that strategy just draws a ton of unwanted attention to himself. I don't see why he would do this as scum. He came into day phase 4 pretty paranoid sounding about being set up as a mislynch by being left alive.
So my gut tells me that magic isn't scum because I just don't see the strategy behind any of what he is doing. Magic is someone who I have a lot of respect for his scum game, especially after watching him in Ted Lasso. He is one of the most underratted scum players on the site. The whole thing with mikal really doesn't strike me as him just trying to grab a mislynch. Also I just played with magic as scum and I just don't see any blaring similarities in his play or deviances from his dp1 play.
Looking at mago, I do town read him as well, if I didn't I would have lynched him already, or would have helped pie lynch him to prove his role. With my recent though about pie maybe wanting to bus after being caught up by being "too linked" to kohai though, it is starting to make me consider the possibility that it was a bus even heavier. Pie knew he was cooked, his options were limited. Trying to gain mago town cred is probably the last play he could make. Like part of me feels like that is just way to simple to be the answer, and wants to dismiss that as pie just trying to get one more hail mary lynch off before he dies the next day, which is also in character for pie.
So the last thing I really want to talk about is the wylted kill. Why was he killed and who does that kill benefit the most?
Wylted had runs ins with both magic and mago.
Wylted had a couple of posts suggesting he thought magic was scum:
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=978
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?page=35&comment_number=980
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=983
So even if I behaviorally don't think magic was scummy, there is enough to suggest he has a lot of motive to kill wylted, as he wouldn't want to be in a LYLO situation with him. The same could be said about me since mikal kept saying he thinks wylted would vote me in LYLO, but I don't think he would have actually and never saw wylted really confirm that to mikal. Magic also said wylted could have been killed to set him up as a mislynch, so that is something I am heavily willing to consider as well, because that is definitely something pie could concoct with mago.
As far as mago goes, the same could almost be said for him.
Wylted says: "If you flip innocent I am going to pursue mago anyway. Don't think your death will be in vain if you flip guilty maybe not, but an innocent flip and I won't be able to see past him"
And Mago later responds "Why me"
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=767
Which could suggest paranoia around wylted in a LYLO situation with him.
He also was pretty adverse to wylted in DP2:
"I think Wylted is scummiest, I abandon what I said ab Mac1cman. Followed by IMO Mikal for basically stating he wanted to confirm himself noe that Yakuza is dead. This is the type of fake derp he drops as scum. Ofc its also possible its a genuinr mistale, idk how Yakuza works in general."
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/83/from-mafia---day-4?comment_number=597
The early adversity is also a reason he could have killed wylted thinking wylted would could have a past grudge on him, since he was also scum reading him back and they had a bit of a back and forth about it.
The WIFOM goes the same way against both players though so the idea that wylted was killed to frame someone is losing some legitimacy since a wylted kill could look bad for either of them.
I know my reply is very short, but your conclusion is basically you see us both as Town, correct? because not gonna lie that is exactly how I feel. It doesn’t feel like either of you is scum
what happened to you almost voting for me?
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Lunatic vs. Magoroth
DP1, both were town. Not much to look into. Lunatic was town as I expected, and Magoroth was playing to what I thought was his scum meta, but apparently it was town. I still felt Kohai-Pie was more likely, but because of his activity, Magoroth was noteworthy to me.
DP2, Magoroth kinda went off on his own adventure:
#500 Making calls about who he thinks is most likely to be recruited.
#517 Random thought on me, OMGUS a little bit. Possibly reaction bait.
#533 Not under pressure, such a random time to claim. But if Magoroth was lying about his role to play some mindgames with the scum team, this is a great way to bait reactions, force scum into the awkward position of having to dance around hammering him. More importantly, I don't think Pie would let him just claim out of the blue, especially when he "can't be arsed to look up (his) character's name."
And then in #580 he's not very aware of how his role PM is structured. The derps here are not indicative of someone who's Pie's teammate. Pie would make sure his teammates would claim only when necessary and only when fully prepared to do so.
#581, Basically just "hey scum look at me!" My role is an important one to NK!" This honestly reads like trying to get the NK pressure off Thoth.
#584 Just a good question to ask. This posts assumes that only Thoth would know because it's common for mods not to answer these questions to players who don't have the role. Pie would be asking in scum chat and Magoroth would know the answer to his question if he were scum.
#596 Random thing to point out.
#597... Where is the scum agenda in any of his posting? This is proactive if anything.
#720 Matches with his claim perfectly.
There's another posts where he thinks about tailor for a bit, I can't find it again. And the rest of his DP2 is just his scattered thoughts. They seem random, without direction.
Meanwhile, Lunatic:
#436 Just a fast clear for no reason. I receall his defense when I asked him about this. But how do you not thyink about the possibility of Mikal being yakuza'd here?
The rest of his DP2 is interesting to me. He's obviously swinging his dick around against Pie, but with everyone else he's cool as a cucumber. He doesn't inquire much into anyone but Pie. It feels like he doesn't feel any pressure to get his reads out before being nightkilled. Now sure Thoth and Magoroth were more likely at the time, but you always want to inquire, grill people more just in case. And he doesn't really do that.
Yes alphaing up against a scumread is Lunatic's town meta. I had him do it with me last game to get Mikal to townread him. But the fact that he doesn't really do anything like that against anyone else feels meh. It's easy to alpha up on Pie when he knows Pie is scum. Even easier when he can't add a vote to hurt Pie. And yeah he could try and speak in Pie's defense, but that would look sus. Better to just wait and see if Pie can get himself townread. Even then, he still has to secure two more mislynches.
The most he did to pressure anyone else is say Pie and Magoroth looked like they were distancing.
DP3:
#840 - Technically true, but where's your main theory Lunatic?
#877 - Again, I don't think Magoroth is asking questions about roles because he doesn't think he can.
Outside of that, both players were more or less the same, unsure about who to lynch, saying "it could be x, it could be y."
Lunatic doesn't intially suspect Mikal despite not liking his logic, but he eventually does later in the DP. The timing of it seems to be coming as Im' making a case tl Wylted, and Wylted is starting to see some of the logic. Could be the green light Lunatic needed.
Magoroth joins in much later. His timing is less about how he didn't sus Mikal until Lunatic did.
Both could be scummy but I see Lunatic's timing as slighty worse given he had disliked Mikal's reasoning much earlier in the DP but never really presssed him on it. Both kinda dodged the smoke early on in that DP. I can maybe buy scatterbrained theory with Magoroth.
DP4, is much tougher.
Magoroth retreated back to his scum meta, Lunatic gave thoughts. Feels like both are keeping their options open. Lunatic's post to me about being confused with why Magoroth thinks he should be townread read like he's trying to lead his buddy in a direction. But Magoroth thinking he's oh so towny for that is weird. Townies can certainly see the obvious towncase for themselves that no one else sees though, but I can also see scum Magoroth going for a slapdash self clear attempt. I don't think Magoroth playing his scum meta has as much wieght this game bc he did it DP1 when he was town. But I don't see as much scatterbrained thoughts here. Despairing? but shoot, so was I.
Very tough here.
FInally let's talk about Pie. Re-evaluating his situation, knowing it can only be either Magoroth or Lunatic.
Flashback to DP1.
He and Kohai and being called scum. He was nearly lynched DP1, and Kohai is eaasily everyone's secondary sus. It's too early in the game for awalk off home run. That can come much later. He just needs to stop the bleeding, give himself a chance at prolonging his life. From there, he needs someone who can clutch up. And that leads more to Lunatic than it does to Magoroth.
My read on Pie's plan is that he recruited Lunatic to remove one person sussing him. He needs to stop me from sussing him as well. He sees that I asked him about his type of role, and stated there was one world in which he could be town. I telegraphed it too much. He knows that if he claims an investiagtive that isn't in the game, he has a chance at getting me to townread him. And if I do, I can convince the rest of town that he's town for him. Lunatic can take all the potshots he wants, or he can let himself be convinced by me that Pie is town.
But only if he can convince me. It doesn't happen. I go on my adventure to anaylze everything and find a way that everything could all be a plot against Pie, but it doesn't come soon enough to reverse the wagon. Furthermore, I'm still not convinced he's town even after noting it as a possibilites. And that's why he was frustrated with me DP2. I was his golden ticket out a rough spot, and it didn't pan out.
Of course, Pie always has a backup plan. He went for Magoroth. If Magoroth is telling the truth about his rule, it could be a great thing for Pie to get town to test him with, buying one more DP and guranteeing LYLO next DP if he can get the mislynch. When he goes out DP3, his teammate will be in a 1v2. And by pressing Magoroth so hard, he can also make it look like he's distancing.
Lunatic calls out the potential distancing between Pie and Magoroth, helping the plan. Should Pie go down here, Lunatic has a target he can eventually make use of in a 1v4, if town agrees they are distancing. Things look bad, but there's a chance for Lunatic to clutch no matter what heppens. It's winnable for them. Someone in the scum chat, maybe Kohai, muses on the situation with hope. "We only need two mislynches."
Mikal goes down DP3. It's exactly what they needed. Now, scum just needs a winning final three. I'm the first pick, obviously. Both Wylted and Magoroth have signalled intention to lynch me the next DP should Mikal flip town (#1028, #1037). Wylted is slightly harder on me, but I was able to make a convincing arguement to him on Mikal for a time. Scum doesn't want me talking my way out things with Wylted. And since Wylted was harder on me at the end, it would look very bad for me if he were the NK. And Magoroth has tunneled people before.
DP4 comes, and Magoroth enters without a tunnel on me. Instead, he's openminded. So Lunatic plays along. He has two ways to win. One, take advantage of my push on Mikal from last DP. Two, buddy with me against Magoroth. I've townread him up to this point. Plus, him being against Pie all game has got to be good for some towncred, right?
And that leads us to the present.
If can absolutely see a world where I'm just wrong, Magoroth's scattered thougts were faked like how Awesome does it, and Pie really was just distancing with him. But I think the situation reads more like Lunatic being Pie's recruit than it does Magoroth. It's close, but I'm gonna lean on the idea that scatterbrained thinker Magoroth is town Magoroth, and smooth talker Lunatic is scum Lunatic.
VTL: Lunatic
I still don’t know what to type!
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Lunatic (1/2): Mag1cman (p#1108)
Not Voting (2): Lunatic, Magoroth
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I don't know how to towncase myself to you beyond what I've already posted. I don't envy your position. To be honest, I would be lynching myself right now. I hate saying it, but you're just gonna have to trust me.
I still don’t know what to type!
I'm gonna go get on my Champions grind. The chips will fall wherever they may. I've made my call.
I still don’t know what to type!
Master Ball 2 here I come.
And to whichever of you is scum, GG, regardless of who wins.
I still don’t know what to type!
I mean I am town. I guess if mago hammers its GG. Can't respond to any of that now. Will be on late tonight.
In loving Memory of Lannan and Ajab, fallen debaters.
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Lunatic (1/2): Mag1cman (p#1108)
Not Voting (2): Lunatic, Magoroth
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