Apocalypse Mafia - DP2

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/25/2026 at 1:34 PM (post #234)

Has w!Thoth ever fake claimed vanilla?

As far as I recall, only on Discord games where half the town were vanillagers.

Are you okay saying what role you thought I was?

I found a breadcrumb in your post #68 yesterday

“I’d say too many people are afraid of mine. A pair of different ways it could go; I know of at least one couple in my town who actually spend time preparing for it.”

“I’- --- --- m--- ------ --- ------ -- ----. - ---- -- --------- ---- -- ----- g-; - ---- -- a- ----- --- ------ -- -y ---- --- -------- ----- ---- --------- --- --.”

So I'm not fully convinced you were hinting Doctor there.

I am a bit confounded by Athena and Ra’s inclusion as possible choices. Ra isn’t the Egyptian god associated with judgement, that’s Osiris, and even if we’re considering all the gods in that pantheon involved in judgement, Anubis, Ma’at, Thoth and Ammit are all further up that list.

Was #110 breadcrumbing something?

I don't agree with #116. You could claim Miller when there is no cop if you don't expect to ride it to final 3, when the Cop has to claim.

Fishing for whiteflame's claim like that was probably wrong of me

Re: the rolemad discussion. I thought rolemad explicitly means that there are no vanillas. If I am wrong, I have been wrong this whole time.

Everything Lunatic has said so far feels so agonizingly fake. I'm sure it's possible he is town and genuinely trying to solve, but it all comes off as so forced. That said, I don't think I have a consistent gutread radar on Lunatic like with some other players on here, and I have been wrong scumreading someone for being overly helpful before. If you are town, I apologize, I know it must be frustrating to be scumread for doing your job.

Vader's claim seems plausible to me. I think Pie is assuming too much about Bullish's setup design choices in #163. That kind of analysis assumes telepathy that we don't have. Two sun apocalypses seem reasonable when they are extremely far removed from each other in time and severity. One will probably happen in my lifetime and will hurt the economy, the other will happen in the inconceivably far future and destroy the Earth.

In response to my earlier question about Banana's flip, Bullish said that Sleepwalker would be Visiting and Inventor or Gifter would be Special. Not to claim that any of those roles are in the game, I was just curious about what those categories meant.

Re: #87, Pie surviving to DP2 is always at least mild evidence of him being scum. I know that is WIFOMable.

Regarding whiteflame's claim in #166, I am always sus when someone claims something they like or are familiar with. This is very mild evidence against whiteflame imo

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:25 PM (post #244)

I am a bit confounded by Athena and Ra’s inclusion as possible choices. Ra isn’t the Egyptian god associated with judgement, that’s Osiris, and even if we’re considering all the gods in that pantheon involved in judgement, Anubis, Ma’at, Thoth and Ammit are all further up that list.

Was #110 breadcrumbing something?

Lol, happy coincidence that Egyptian gods were mentioned, no breadcrumbs here.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:29 PM (post #246)

Fishing for whiteflame's claim like that was probably wrong of me

It was a little strange. I’m still not sure what the point was.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #249)

Regarding whiteflame's claim in #166, I am always sus when someone claims something they like or are familiar with. This is very mild evidence against whiteflame imo

I mean, fair. I was legitimately excited to get it.

I just figured I would townlock you if I knew you were vanilla

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 7:15 PM (post #252)

I just figured I would townlock you if I knew you were vanilla

You said that earlier, I just don’t really understand why. Fake claiming Vanilla, particularly if I intuited correctly that that’s what you believed was incorrect in the OP, wouldn’t have been a stretch. It’s not important enough to harp on and it’s not the first time I haven’t really gotten your logic with a strategy as either town or scum, so it’s NAI.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:14 PM (post #242)

Are you okay saying what role you thought I was?

Judge/Governor/whatever

basically a role where you can change the lynch. It's why I said I may need your help.

A lynch will occur when a player achieves a majority of the votes. When this has happened, any subsequent votes and unvotes will not be counted, and the game will enter twilight, where players may discuss. Night will begin as soon as I have declared the lynch

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:32 PM (post #248)

Everything Lunatic has said so far feels so agonizingly fake. I'm sure it's possible he is town and genuinely trying to solve, but it all comes off as so forced. That said, I don't think I have a consistent gutread radar on Lunatic like with some other players on here, and I have been wrong scumreading someone for being overly helpful before. If you are town, I apologize, I know it must be frustrating to be scumread for doing your job.

The logic is just bad.

Vader's claim seems plausible to me. I think Pie is assuming too much about Bullish's setup design choices in #163. That kind of analysis assumes telepathy that we don't have. Two sun apocalypses seem reasonable when they are extremely far removed from each other in time and severity. One will probably happen in my lifetime and will hurt the economy, the other will happen in the inconceivably far future and destroy the Earth.

It does seem plausible, yes.

Re: #87, Pie surviving to DP2 is always at least mild evidence of him being scum. I know that is WIFOMable.

Eh. Just because he is a common fearkill doesn't mean he will be 100% of the time. I would sooner believe scum opted for Banana over him than I would believe Pie's scum.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 6:27 PM (post #245)

I don't agree with #116. You could claim Miller when there is no cop if you don't expect to ride it to final 3, when the Cop has to claim.

Of all the roles to yolo claim, that's gotta be one of the worst ones.

Aside from the plausibility issue when weighed against the sun discrepancy, and the miller/vanilla discrepancy (not really much of one, tbh), there is still one thing that bothers me about Vader's claim. The thing about being false leading to miller. It's essentially means Bullish made a pun in his justification. He can do this yes, but it feels like extra.

Miller as a fake claim could be interesting. Not one of the best either, but I can buy a mod thinking it's better than it actually is.

I remember I re-tolled my K-Pop Demon Hunters Setup for a live game, and in that game I gave Miller as a fake claim.

First off I was lucky Pie wasn't in that game or my mod-given fake claim woud've been lynched for sure; second, the town alomost did it anyway.

In theory, it seems fine, since town tends to townread miller SOPs these days. But in practice town still might make the miller the utility lynch anyway. So I can see a world, where despite not being the best fake claim to give a mafia team, Bullish does it anyway.

From there we just need to believe Vader was not given a free character.

re-tooled*

Official Vote Count

lunatic (2/4) - Vader (2), magic,

Thoth (1/4) - Pie,

Vader(1/4) - Kohai,

Not voting: Thoth, whiteflame, lunatic

DP2 ends in ~3 hours. DP2 ends on 09/25, 23:30 EDT.

Aside from the plausibility issue when weighed against the sun discrepancy, and the miller/vanilla discrepancy (not really much of one, tbh)

fat fingered something that got auto-corrected "issue"... this is an EBWOP

For clarity, my position on Vader's claim is that when weighed against something with a similar justification being vanilla, it remains plausible and still fairly likely to be true.

And the sun discrepancy is in Thoth/Lunatic's claims... I'm getting things mixed up, so that doesn't matter for Vader's claim.

The pun in the claimed justification is something I somewhat do not care for. Still plausible, but I feel it does decrease the odds of the justification being real.

about 3 hours

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I really feel like I'm just shooting in the dark

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 5:24 PM (post #243)

I found a breadcrumb in your post #68 yesterday

“I’d say too many people are afraid of mine. A pair of different ways it could go; I know of at least one couple in my town who actually spend time preparing for it.”

“I’- --- --- m--- ------ --- ------ -- ----. - ---- -- --------- ---- -- ----- g-; - ---- -- a- ----- --- ------ -- -y ---- --- -------- ----- ---- --------- --- --.”

So I'm not fully convinced you were hinting Doctor there.

So what do you think he was breadcrumbing and why?

Originally Posted by Thoth on 9/25/2026 at 5:32 PM (post #248)

Everything Lunatic has said so far feels so agonizingly fake. I'm sure it's possible he is town and genuinely trying to solve, but it all comes off as so forced. That said, I don't think I have a consistent gutread radar on Lunatic like with some other players on here, and I have been wrong scumreading someone for being overly helpful before. If you are town, I apologize, I know it must be frustrating to be scumread for doing your job.

Vader's claim seems plausible to me. I think Pie is assuming too much about Bullish's setup design choices in #163. That kind of analysis assumes telepathy that we don't have. Two sun apocalypses seem reasonable when they are extremely far removed from each other in time and severity. One will probably happen in my lifetime and will hurt the economy, the other will happen in the inconceivably far future and destroy the Earth.

The problem is also that basically anything can be used to justify a Vanilla. Why specially two Sun related apocalypse.

In response to my earlier question about Banana's flip, Bullish said that Sleepwalker would be Visiting and Inventor or Gifter would be Special. Not to claim that any of those roles are in the game, I was just curious about what those categories meant.

Re: #87, Pie surviving to DP2 is always at least mild evidence of him being scum. I know that is WIFOMable.

Nice shade

You still haven’t answer why you voted me in DP1?

Kinda tempted to vote Thoth here. This is quite a difficult game. IMHO eliminating a claimed vanilla is better than running someone else up to L1 and outting a cop or other investigative roles.

VTL Thoth

Just over 2 hours left. we need to form a consensus

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/25/2026 at 9:10 PM (post #267)

Kinda tempted to vote Thoth here. This is quite a difficult game. IMHO eliminating a claimed vanilla is better than running someone else up to L1 and outting a cop or other investigative roles.

VTL Thoth

Alright, why Thoth and not Vader?

Dead:

Banana- Alien Invasion- Even Night Follower

Vader1- Solar Flare- 2x Roleblocker

Claims:

Thoth- Sun turning into red giant- Vanilla 

Whiteflame- Ice-IX from Cat’s Cradle

Vader 2- Vacuum Decay- Miller

Lunatic- Nuclear War 

Mag1cMan- God exists and we face judgment- Doctor (chose Jesus as his god) (protected pie)

Kohai- Zombie Apocalypse- Tree Stump

Pie- AI Takeover- (knows someone visited him)

My problem with Thoth's. claim: He's the only claimed vanilla in the game that's supposedly role madness.

That said, I do have mixed feelings here.