Apocalypse Mafia - DP3

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/26/2026 at 8:49 PM (post #27)

We're probably at the point where one bad vote can fuck us, so I'd rather take a little time and actually work this out instead of yeeting someone and hoping we're right.

Agreed.

wya?

Alright I’m here

Welcome. Full claim time

Character: AI Takeover

Role: Dreamer

Justification: Bullish says he loves his AI overlords. AI is super smart and basically knows everything but still can be very wrong. This Dreamer.

Assuming I’m not visited, I will receive a list of 3 names, at least one of which is scum. Bullish mentioned that my ability is affected by modifiers such as Miller and Godfather.

I asked him how the modifier would even work. He said this (paraphrased): he will take one player who inherently investigates guilty then he will randomly take 2 other names from remaining pool.

Thats how I knew I was visited NP1. I received a list of 3 names last night: Luna, Vader, Whiteflame.

From my POV, it’s not Vader because Bullish specifically mentioned Miller in my PM. And with my Dream, it means that it’s EXACTLY Luna/WF or Luna/WF + Kohai, but the odds of Kohai being scum are the highest statistically

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/26/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #6)

Alright, cards on the table:

My role is called a Contact Counter. The way it works is that I target someone, and I get a count for the number of people who are in their contact chain. My visit counts towards that chain. So, for example, if I used it on myself and no one targeted me, it's a chain of 1. If I used it on someone else who didn't visit anyone, it's a chain of 2. If my target does visit someone, it's a chain of 3. I got a whole list of possible results based on various interactions after asking several questions of Bullish, so if people want to know them, I can go through it.

The long and short of it: I used my night actions on Kohai NP1 and Vader NP2. I chose two players who claimed roles that did not visit, since picking a target who did visit someone else would just confirm that they had visited someone, not who they visited or why. Both Kohai and Vader had chains of two, meaning that, absent any fuckery, I confirmed that Kohai did not visit anyone NP1 and Vader did not visit anyone NP2.

Very interesting claim. I would like to know what you asked Bullish and what his answer was

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/26/2026 at 6:11 PM (post #12)

Well I was hoping for some solid results last night, but nothing. I am Nuclear War, MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). I am the cop. Justification is all about deterrence cold war era doctrine that says if 1 party uses nukes, the other will retaliate in kind and both parties will be destroyed. Maintaining nuclear deterrence depended on intelligence, early warning systems, and the ability to identify an enemy's actions before responses were made which is why I am cop. Thought the justification was kind of a stretch at first until I seen other people's justifications lol.

Night One I investigated Whiteflame, Night Two I investigated Kohai.

Both are innocent.

I am going to assume mafia have some sort of counter to Cop, so take these with a grain of salt.

Why did you choose WF and Kohai each night

There has to be a solve here one sec

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/26/2026 at 6:13 PM (post #13)

hmmm. Well then does a pie / Vader team make sense?

I’m so stumped this game.

This post is yikes

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/26/2026 at 10:31 PM (post #40)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/26/2026 at 6:13 PM (post #13)

hmmm. Well then does a pie / Vader team make sense?

I’m so stumped this game.

This post is yikes

Please forgive me for trying to world build

The problem I’m having is there are only 6 possible worlds

1. ILikePie5 + Lunatic
2. ILikePie5 + Whiteflame
3. ILikePie5 + Vader
4. Lunatic + Whiteflame
5. Lunatic + Vader
6. Whiteflame + Vader

The question is which makes the most sense

Assume pie town

1. Lunatic + Whiteflame
2. Lunatic + Vader
3. Whiteflame + Vader

Assuming lunatic is town

1. ILikePie5 + Whiteflame
2. ILikePie5 + Vader
3. Whiteflame + Vader

Assuming Vader town

1. ILikePie5 + Lunatic
2. ILikePie5 + Whiteflame
3. Lunatic + Whiteflame

Assuming WF town

1. ILikePie5 + Lunatic
2. ILikePie5 + Vader
3. Lunatic + Vader

I should essentially have 3 green peeks on me

Luna’s cop result

WF’s tracker result

Explicltt excluded from the dream

In a t!Luna and a t!Vader world we have exactly pie + Whiteflame as tbe team

The issue I’m having with that worldview is pie clearly knew someone targeted him and Mag1c claimed it.

Pie + Luna town = wf + Vader is the team

Dead:

Banana- Alien Invasion- Even Night Follower

Vader1- Solar Flare- 2x Roleblocker

Mag1cMan- God exists and we face judgment- Doctor (chose Jesus as his god) (protected pie)

Claims:

Thoth- Sun turning into red giant- Vanilla 

Whiteflame- Ice-IX from Cat’s Cradle

Vader 2- Vacuum Decay- Miller

Lunatic- Nuclear War - Cop

Kohai- Zombie Apocalypse- Tree Stump

Pie- AI Takeover- Dreamer

1) Kohai/WF

2) Kohai/Vader

3) Kohai/Luna

4) WF/Vader

5) WF/Luna

6) Luna/Vader

Im going take Vader out since only way he’s scum is if Bullish gave it as fake claim AND specifically wrote about it in my PM.

That leaves:

1) Kohai/WF

2) Kohai/Luna

3) WF/Luna

Luna and I have a pseudo-CC, especially with Banana’s flipped role. Luna investigated WF and Kohai innocent, which is interesting cause even he doesn’t believe they’re both necessarily innocent. I’m going to have to iso him. Mag1c also heavily sussed him:

WF has a very interesting role. A key note is that he’s missing a justification. I’m curious how that role fits his character.

Kohai, has 2 green checks on him from Luna/WF. He’s also highly likely to be scum based on my dreamer results. It’s possible that he’s the GF or Lawyer with that. Treestump sounds like it’s up Luna/WF’s ally. The delay in claiming is also interesting.

Going to do some wagonomics now

WF’s Ice-IX from Cat’s Cradle stands out to me. That character + their role sticks out like a sore thumb among the players who’ve claimed and flipped

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/26/2026 at 9:43 PM (post #44)

I should essentially have 3 green peeks on me

Luna’s cop result

WF’s tracker result

Explicltt excluded from the dream

Excluded from Dream isn’t a green check

What’s your justification

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/26/2026 at 10:21 PM (post #35)

Character: AI Takeover

Role: Dreamer

Justification: Bullish says he loves his AI overlords. AI is super smart and basically knows everything but still can be very wrong. This Dreamer.

Assuming I’m not visited, I will receive a list of 3 names, at least one of which is scum. Bullish mentioned that my ability is affected by modifiers such as Miller and Godfather.

I asked him how the modifier would even work. He said this (paraphrased): he will take one player who inherently investigates guilty then he will randomly take 2 other names from remaining pool.

Thats how I knew I was visited NP1. I received a list of 3 names last night: Luna, Vader, Whiteflame.

I'm going to withhold specific thoughts about your claim until I've had a chance to think it over. A couple of partially sleepless nights in a row are making it hard to think, so I'll pick this part back up tomorrow and devote what little capacity I have to answering questions.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 9/26/2026 at 10:26 PM (post #37)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/26/2026 at 5:22 PM (post #6)

Alright, cards on the table:

My role is called a Contact Counter. The way it works is that I target someone, and I get a count for the number of people who are in their contact chain. My visit counts towards that chain. So, for example, if I used it on myself and no one targeted me, it's a chain of 1. If I used it on someone else who didn't visit anyone, it's a chain of 2. If my target does visit someone, it's a chain of 3. I got a whole list of possible results based on various interactions after asking several questions of Bullish, so if people want to know them, I can go through it.

The long and short of it: I used my night actions on Kohai NP1 and Vader NP2. I chose two players who claimed roles that did not visit, since picking a target who did visit someone else would just confirm that they had visited someone, not who they visited or why. Both Kohai and Vader had chains of two, meaning that, absent any fuckery, I confirmed that Kohai did not visit anyone NP1 and Vader did not visit anyone NP2.

Very interesting claim. I would like to know what you asked Bullish and what his answer was

I asked if the role would be fooled by a Ninja (the answer was yes) and what the count would be if my target used a Redirector with no other contacts in the chain (the answer was four). I got information on potentially being RB'd ("no result"), targeting someone who can't be targeted e.g. a Hider (the answer was 0), and multivisitors generally (all distinct visits count).

What’s your justification

Originally Posted by Kohai on 9/26/2026 at 10:57 PM (post #51)

What’s your justification

Ice-IX functions by seeding, transforming sources of water or ice into Ice-IX (which has a way higher melting temperature than normal ice). Effectively, because it literally comes into contact with water molecules and spreads along that path, I am the contact counter.

No need to repeat the question, I was getting to it.

My biggest fear is still a Luna / wf team. Noting from mag1c’s flip

Jesus - (Jesus is known for curing lepers through miracles, but not for spotting traitors. You are the doctor.)

I wonder if one of tbe other gods would have e been the cop

And now I'm off for the night. I can do some hashing out tomorrow and build my own set of reads. The only thing I'll say for now is that Bullish mentioned three roles (Hider, Commuter and Ascetic) without direct prompting that are clearly not in this game, so the notion that his mentioning a role suddenly makes it more likely to be in this game does not make sense to me. Bullish covering his bases and including every role that could theoretically be affected by a given role is not evidence that that role exists in game.

good night. I’m also off to bed