A-Random wrote:
If your so big mad. Do us a favor and concede so we can move to the next game. Pls god
No. I refuse to concede. You are scum and don’t deserve the win.
A-Random wrote:
If your so big mad. Do us a favor and concede so we can move to the next game. Pls god
No. I refuse to concede. You are scum and don’t deserve the win.
A-Random wrote:
Tell me the crash out isn't telling. That is not town anger lol
Yes. I am absolutely crashing out over your constant cheating. If we were playing this game on MU you’d have been modkilled and banned.
Also I am mad that scum is about to win due to your lies and lack of integrity.
A-Random wrote:
I didnt avoid Fiona you nerd. Im stuck on oberon being magic because of his typing style and yes I thought that he was doing a gambit.
Yes you did. Don’t believe me? Do a search for Fiona on your ISO. The only thing that appears is the Fiona vote at the end.
Yes I get your mad the angle shooting solved the game.
Thanks for admitting you have zero integrity.
How is that even an argument im scum.
You are a much better player than relying on angle shooting
Truthfully I am quitting mafia after this game, or at least on this site. I can’t fucking stand the constant rule violations and meta. If y’all wanna lose the game be my guest. I was the one who hard pushed Fiona yesterday.
I’m going about for a bit. Seriously consider the following question
Why do random and Fiona avoid talking about each other in their ISO? Random has plenty of time to read him as magic and call him magic but doesn’t form any read until he votes him after it is clear it is a done deal.
Random proved he cannot win this game without blatant rule violations, angleshooting. He doesn’t give a fuck about integrity. The team is random / brand. They don’t deserve the win.
A-Deirdre wrote:
I understand this game wasn’t my best. If I get mislynched and cause town to lose I’ll accept the blame.
I’d like a response to #289. One of your major defenses behaviorally has been that you had a DP2 read on Random that he was the Jailor. You’ve repeated that, and both Bleys and I have asked you to substantiate it. What did I miss in my ISO?
It is substantiated by my consistent town read on him that day phase.
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Random wrote:
Still could be a jailor claiming vt which in retrospect is smart given how scummy caine is. Him probing on this is scummy as fuck
That's the quiet part we don't say out loud. Still, enough people have claimed not to have been jailed that mafia might be deterred from fake claiming.
Exactly. Zero town motive from Random’s post.
At this point anyone who claims jailer and jailed it would highly indicate they were the scum team.
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
Yeah This is why I think the jailor should out themselves.
I have a very strong jailor read on a particular player but don’t want to say who or why yet
I still can't wrap my head around this coming from t!Caine. If you feel you know who the jailor is, why do you think they should out themselves? What's the town logic?
It gets another confirmed town. In a 6 player pool with 2 scum 4 town having two confirmed town suffocated the mafia out of a win. In this case mafia have only two unconfirmed people to try and ML. This is why Random is keeping you in his poe.
In addition if the jailer claims and their target confirms them then that person is almost always a lock town.
Scum logic is more apparent. You try to get a real jailor to out if they are alive, but if they aren't, you are already setting yourself up to give credibility to the jailor fake claim. If we mislynch we lose, so mafia can go all in working together to verify a jailor fake claim this DP.
At this point everyone claimed VT. If anyone at this point claimed any form of PR then I would seriously doubt it.
A-Random wrote:
Cain is trying to retcon his reads. Its an issue.
We are way overthinking this
If it walks and talks like a duck
This is exactly cain and brand.
Bleys being the isolated one off but a scum bleys would push me here so this is all but validated my opinion. Spidey sense is at 100
I see you are trying to expand the Poe to expand a possible ML on Bleyes.
I understand this game wasn’t my best. If I get mislynched and cause town to lose I’ll accept the blame.
the team is literally just random / brand.
You don’t deserve the win. You’ve angelshot, violated the rules of the game, and have shown zero respect for game integrity.
A-Deirdre wrote:
Yes, but there's more nuance. I think by the beginning of D3 in particular they had enough reason to believe that the jailor was dead to consider setting up for a jailor fake claim.
Been thinking about that as well.
If that was the case then why didn’t Fiona just out right claim jailer?
A-Deirdre wrote:
Except I literally hinted to that both my behavior d2 with him being in my town core and when I hinted this day phase that I had a Jailor read on a player. This was before he claimed
I see a couple of townreads on him in DP2, but this DP is the first time you mentioned the reason being that you thought he was the Jailor. If I missed something, let me know.
I obviously wouldn’t have outright claimed that D2. But look at my attitude and behavior around him. I was following him as I thought he was a TPR.
A-Deirdre wrote:
If I was mafia I’d always kill random over Gerard via my jailor read on them.
This doesn't make sense. First off, you could've just been lying about your read on Random as a plausible Jailor. .
Except I literally hinted to that both my behavior d2 with him being in my town core and when I hinted this day phase that I had a Jailor read on a player. This was before he claimed
A-Deirdre wrote:
If I was mafia I’d always kill random over Gerard via my jailor read on them.
This doesn't make sense. First off, you could've just been lying about your read on Random as a plausible Jailor. .
Except I literally hinted to that both my behavior d2 with him being in my town core and when I hinted this day phase that I had a Jailor read on a player. This was before he claimed
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Bleys wrote:
You don't get to decide who you are paired with, in my eyes, unfortunately. I see you being paired with both as real possibilities. Gerard even called out you being paired with Fiona in his will.
If I was mafia I’d always kill random over Gerard via my jailor read on them.
So the thing is, I think it's clear enough mafia was PR hunting with the Julian kill. Mafia doesn't know the sanitized role, but they certainly made the kill hoping it was a PR. Flora's will also indicates to me, at least, that Julian could be jailor. So while you could be hedging bets that Random is jailor, you could also be SvS setting up for scum to claim jailor, and then you two got cold feet later.
Yeah it's pretty obvoius that mafia was PR hunting which means I would have killed Random - the very person I think is a PR. My behavoir and hints prove that I wasn't making this up.
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Bleys wrote:
I'm more focused on the necessity of jailor/regent both being in the game to balance the setup than why they shouldn't claim.
Well the game is difficult to balance with the role list. Jailor absolutely felt necessary. My bet was Regent+Jailor+Coroner/1 shot super cop.
With the lack of a real invest I felt that self confirming roles existed. Jailor was the only protective and also covered kills. Regent is the crier and had self confirming ability as well as had the ability to coordinating the town from a confirmed town voice without revealing. Those two made a lot of sense.
I am also personally surprised by how few PRs there are this game.
A-Bleys wrote:
You don't get to decide who you are paired with, in my eyes, unfortunately. I see you being paired with both as real possibilities. Gerard even called out you being paired with Fiona in his will.
If I was mafia I’d always kill random over Gerard via my jailor read on them.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
I guess it doesn't matter, though. If we mislynch this DP, then it's game over anyway. If we lynch correctly, there will be only one scum so jailing them would still be a red check.
Yeah This is why I think the jailor should out themselves.
I have a very strong jailor read on a particular player but don’t want to say who or why yet
I hinted to that in this post.
Again I should emphasize that my entire town read on random d2 was predicate on my belief that he was the jailor. This was because of how Pie spoke about him in their will.
A-Random wrote:
Off to bed for real this time or pop back on to admit I got somewhere with thr angle shooting. Why do you feel the need to keep saying your off for a religious holiday , off to bed , but you are still spazzing and checking everything
This is such a despicable push. Shame on you you know my play better than this.
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
Honestly, I'm thinking I'll sleep on it. Been a long enough day already. I don't think Caine vs. Random is a TvT situation. For reasons I won't say, I don't think it's mutual bussing, either, so it's likely only one of them is scum. We've got a little over 24 hours left to figure this out, and I'd rather have everyone chime in at this point.
Given that we already have two votes up, one for each of them, I ask that everyone else please recognize that an additional vote puts either of them at L-2, affording scum an opportunity to get a quick lynch if the vote is on town. Please don't place a vote on either of them, even if you feel confident, before we get a chance to hash this out.
I'm in the middle of finishing my DP2 read and I've got my comments in the works on another tab. I'm looking at Random/Caine being SvS as a real possibility. I think it's important to discuss why you don't believe it is a mutual bussing.
1. I’m the easiest possible ML. If I bus random here then there is a near zero percent chance we win. Me killing random is more retarded than Fiona claiming messenger.
2. Read our ISOs and how we speak about each other and how we speak about Fiona. I am hard impaired with both.
3. I am also coming around to the team just being Random / Brand.
A-Random wrote:
I think is exactly kohai and brand.
I am off for thr night now and not much else I can say. Im pulling back on lew given I think I realize who that slot is now and the sus from angle shooting on me is more in principle than a read
Thank you for admitting that you’ve spent nearly the entire game angleshooting. I consider this an admission that you can’t win a fair fight on your own merits.
A-Random wrote:
Wf I beg you. Pls god trust me. Ill mod rm if im lying. I'm town.
The desperation is real with this one.
Anyway I’m off to bed for real this time. See y’all tomorrow
A-Random wrote:
90 to nothing kohai just pinged brand to get on and there will be pressure from that slot on me
I literally pinged the entire game
I’m going to bed soon but I wanted to reply for a few points.
A-Random wrote:
WF I lowkey am pretty sure of this. Go ISO kohai. He is bad but this is next level
Townblocks me nearly
I already explained why I had a town read on you. I had thought you were the jailer based on how pie spoke about you in their will. Since you claimed vanilla I went in and re evaluate my read - especially after Oberon said the blackmail challenge had YOUR finger prints written all over it.
A-Random wrote:
Im sold on david after his last post. His play is not consistent and he's jumping back and forth between reads based on who reads him
If he is this bad I dont regret it. But this feels like floundering scum.
cain
Brand
Blys
That order
VTL: Caine
Lets go. Let’s thunderdome. You are the one who is floundering and is inconsistent.
A-Random wrote:
Wf adding to this
Gun to my head I think its Cain and brand.
You JUST said you were beginning to think this was t/t violence and now I'm suddenly paired with Brand.
A-Random wrote:
Just got home and about to sleep cus gotta go back tomorrow
Responding at was request above but dont really see the point
1) wish washy reads on kohai. It hasn't been wishy washy. I town read him dp1 because he was spending half the day phase spamming the day phase with dumb test shit. Didn't think hed be mafia cus how would of how much time he was spending testing instead of engaging in the game. Then 2 vanillas died and didnt think their was this many vanillas so he was in my poe. Add that to the switch on oberon etc. His play has just been erratic and as always he's playing like a monkey.
Fair. This game is far heavier on vanillas than normal (and something I particularly enjoy)
2) slip - me calling him magic is not a slip you dingus I've been saying thats who I thought it was the entire game
I find this point interesting: You have enough time to think he's magic but you don't have enough time to interact with him, form a decent read, or analyze and then you suddenly vote him when you realized there was no saving him.
3) derailing - I wasnt derailing a lynch. I was in a pm with him last game as mod where I watched him posion gambit to stall the game. There is a role that could have existed where he could yeet himself. Thinking he was stalling to use that role to cause confusion or the mafia could have had a wincon is not irrational. Not plausible sure but he tends to gambit hard. I had no issue with who ever the other lynch was as i trusted gerald and he saw shit I didnt.
Yeah right...then what do you call it? There's zero town motive to claim a PR and out the actual PR. Their play was objectively anti-town.
Avoidance - I didnf avoid Fiona. I was skimming. I avoided like everyone half the game because I was focusing on what I thought oberon was doing and was pissed no one was entertaining the chance of that being possible. When you skim a game. You miss things. I've missed lots of things cus I dont have the time to read through a thousand posts and form articulate reads. Going off what sticks out to me the most
Skimming enough to form a read "Fiona is playing like mag1c" but had no other interactions or thoughts? Do you not see why I find this completely implausible.
Avoiding me - I never interacted with them. Cant speak to why he didnt have reads on me but given who that slot is. Him going out like he did makes sense. Also I was unintentionally derailing his lynch in hindsight so im sure he had no reason to engage me
So you admit to derailing his lynch. Got it.
The most wishy washy I've been on caine is now. As im really starting to think this is town vs town and mafia are prob sitting back and letting us drive the train off the tracks.
So now I"m back to being town and this is just t/t violence. Alright tell me who's scum and why. Who is paired with Fiona and who is unpaired? Cite reasons.
I have no idea how to read David. Going to trust wf and sheep. His mafia play is awful most of time and the read on me feels like omgus. He had be almost blocked then swapped after I scum read him. Hard to say whether its retard omgus stuff or he's trying to push an easy lynch. Which is what he feels lolr im doing
Fair. I admit I'm notoriously hard to read.
The more im thinking about this. It may be helz or brand The anger on the angle shooting, suggesting its me and then sitting back snd letting a lynch happen either way is how mafia would play this
Sure.
But yeah im passing out. Work tomorrow and mother's day over the weekend so not sure how much ill be around.
Fair Get some rest. Rest is more important than a mafia game.
You decide what to do wf. I aint got the time to look at specific interactions or slips but after reading how retarded david is , it does make me think mafia could just be letting us drive off the cliff
Vote me or dont vote me Idc
But whatever you vote I'll vote so just lmk if you decide not to throw and trust me.
Nice ATE. Again, who's scum and why. If you had to vote right now who would you vote?
A-Deirdre wrote:
I'll get back into it when I get a chance. I would like to hear from Random on your #215.
Sounds good. And yeah don’t let him ignore it
Can we please get some activity going?