FWIW I do think Fiona needs to be resolved today.
As I said my fear is we don’t know the balance of power. If they’re 3p and there are 3 scum we lose.
If they are retarded scum then that’s better for us.
Let me double check my math
9 players
if 3 scum and no 3p
6 v 3
lynch scum
6 v 2
black mail
5 v 2
NK goes through
4 v 2
In that scenario tomorrow is LyLo.
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
There is one thing I want to consider
Description: You are a Chaosite from the royal family, with shapeshifting abilities and the ability to walk the black road the straddles the multiverse.
Ability: Attack a player at night, killing them. You will disguise yourself as them, taking over their account. They will flip with your account’s name, their own role, and your last will. One charge.
What if Fiona’s account got taken over? Scum could have taken over the account and that explains the sanitized NK on Julius.
The day 1 tone and behavior from Fiona is just extremely different. Their behavior makes zero sense.
I wouldn't say they participated enough last DP to get a bead on their behavior, but if Fiona's account did get taken over, that would still set Fiona as scum wouldn't it?
Yeah. I’m not quite sure as that role is just extremely confusing.
There is one thing I want to consider
Description: You are a Chaosite from the royal family, with shapeshifting abilities and the ability to walk the black road the straddles the multiverse.
Ability: Attack a player at night, killing them. You will disguise yourself as them, taking over their account. They will flip with your account’s name, their own role, and your last will. One charge.
What if Fiona’s account got taken over? Scum could have taken over the account and that explains the sanitized NK on Julius.
The day 1 tone and behavior from Fiona is just extremely different. Their behavior makes zero sense.
A-Gerard wrote:
if they are 3p and there are 2 wolves left then tomorrow is LyLo. What’s your plan then?
Lynch scum without impunity. I dont care about third party, said this a ton in the last game too. Sounds like they can joint win. WE only have one mislynch so far, but if for some reason we only ever got two total thats just bad balancing. We need to hit scum. we don't do that by being hyper paranoid about not lynching scummy people, or people who've been counter claimed.
who is scum if Fiona is 3p?
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
Lol I mean we are lynching Fiona, that is set in stone. I think people just wanna use the remaining time to discuss other things.
If they’re scum then who are the other wolves
I outlined my POE earlier.
But you, Brand, Oberon (if he doesn't self resolve), Bleys. I town read Llewella and Random but am open to them being scum. Deirdre is probably town, and probably dead tonight.
if they are 3p and there are 2 wolves left then tomorrow is LyLo. What’s your plan then?
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
Lol I mean we are lynching Fiona, that is set in stone. I think people just wanna use the remaining time to discuss other things.
If they’re scum then who are the other wolves
we have just over 24 hours left in the day. We really need to come to an agreement
random what do you think of the Fiona situstion?
If Fiona is jester and tomorrow is LyLo we need to be absolutely certain who we are voting for
A-Fiona wrote:
anyway I'm going to head out for night
I have better things to do than arguing with you chuds online
Like play with my kids. Because i'm a better father than joe biden
G’night.
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
If Fiona is a Jester and you have been blackmailed, then it's likely 5-3-1 right now. Lynch the 3P, you die, 4-3 into NP2. Successful NK, 3-3 parity. Game over.
Actually, 8-3-1 would be a scumsided setup. Not impossible, but if there's a 3P I think 2 scum is more likely.
That's what I'm saying. Also I agree with Gerard, probabilistically Fiona has to be exactly Executioner AND their target has to be either Flora or Julian. They are likely just scum.
Which perfectly explains
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?page=33&comment_number=983
A-Brand wrote:
If Fiona is a Jester and you have been blackmailed, then it's likely 5-3-1 right now. Lynch the 3P, you die, 4-3 into NP2. Successful NK, 3-3 parity. Game over.
Actually, 8-3-1 would be a scumsided setup. Not impossible, but if there's a 3P I think 2 scum is more likely.
yeah. Agree
A-Gerard wrote:
I don’t think they are a jester. Seeds of doubt are being planted to get us to backtrack on them
possobke. Thought it was Deirdre who brought that possibility up and it’s worth considering.
that said since it is a joint win if he’s a jester I feel like he’s town siding by claiming messenger and not jailor. The jailor is far more important of a PR.
Killing a possible jester may be too risky.
Doing math if 3 wolves
9 players
5 town 1 jester 3 mafia
jester kill + black mall
3 town v 3 mafia = game over on the spot
If there are 3 wolves alive then we cannot kill a jester.
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
9 players
6 town 2 scum 1 jester
we kill the jester today and blackmail dies
5 town v 2 scum
night kill goes through
4 town v 2 scum
tomorrow js LyLo
why would you assume 2 scum?
I’m not. See above. This is the post right above it this is tbe best case scenario.
Tbh if we are confident on Fiona being a jester I kinda don’t wanna joint win with them given how bad they’ve played. I’d rather let them cook and eat the l.
A-Llewella wrote:
Also huge reason to slow walk the train.
Keep it slow as replacements may happen please
agree. Let’s not rush.
So we can afford a jester lynch but we need to be damn sure on who the wolf team is
9 players
6 town 2 scum 1 jester
we kill the jester today and blackmail dies
5 town v 2 scum
night kill goes through
4 town v 2 scum
tomorrow js LyLo
Wait I’m retarded.
The numbers are worse if there is a jester and 3 scum
A-Oberon wrote:
Flora - vanilla
Martin - vanilla
Julian - ???
Oberon - vanilla
Fiona - "regent/crier"
Deidre - regent/crier
Caine - vanilla
Gerard - vanilla
Bleys -
Llewella -
Brand -
Random -
I think lynching Fiona is still the right move here. If we leave him alive what happens later? He's still getting lynched. Mag said jesters are joint win if I recall. 8-3-1 is very unbalanced, especially with 5+ vanillas. Assuming it's 6-2-1 or 6-3 right now, If we lynch fiona it'll probably be 4-2 tomorrow, which is acceptable.
these are good points. Let me just calculate this out.
if Fiona is jester and there are 2 wolves left
6 v 1 v 2
problem: You are dying. That leaves us
5 v 2
mafia win at night
we can’t afford a jester lynch
A-Fiona wrote:
I'm just town guys lol
Ok you’re just lolcatting at this point. The million dollar question is are you scum or a jester?
A-Fiona wrote:
lol he's trying to argue im jester because now he wants to get out of my flip
lynch him
hmmm
God I’m so fucking paranoid
A-Oberon wrote:
I feel like it's not Associate, a lynch would have been saved, the night chat would have been revealed in a will, and since I'm the king character thematically I should have been chosen to be the liege. Executioner with Flora/Julian as target is possible though.
I’m leaning towards executioner which explains his naked vote out of nowhere
*Flora
A-Gerard wrote:
Description: An odd loner whose life’s goal is revenge.
Ability: You have a one-use activated bulletproof vest that renders you immune to death night.
Win Condition: Receive a random target on N0. You must get this player lynched during the day. If your target dies at night, you become a Jester.
Upon getting the target lynched, you stay in the game with your win condition fulfilled.
I need to check their history. I wonder if Fiona was their target
