Fiona’s play only makes sense from a jester now that I think about it.
UNVOTE
I really need to think this through.
Fiona’s play only makes sense from a jester now that I think about it.
UNVOTE
I really need to think this through.
i also forgot about jester.
Will the blackmail condition be released upon death?
A-Oberon wrote:
YOU are def the crackhead of the thread, your sus on me makes no sense.
First of all why would I bring heat on me for no reason. Fiona/Bleys/Brand were the likely lynches of today.
Second I hinted at my condition (#73) early on in the game. If I was setting it up why would I "slip" and claim to be modkilled after having apparently committed no offense. I'm kind of being screwed over here cause I asked the mod if I was being modkilled and he said yes, only to clarify later. Like others have noted this is an easy mistake to make, it's not technically a modkill but could easily but construed as a modkill.
Third how can you jump immediately on a disguiser theory after you call me a crackhead for presenting my own disguiser theory.
Fourth @Caine or whoever said this, Random is not town lock. Fiona was shaping up the be the lynch today, Random could be trying to save Fiona by lynching me, basically a blank slot at this point. Also the wording of one of the roles (god this is tiring everyone knows what I'm saying) implies that their ability maybe refunded if their victim die by means other than that ability.
Fifth, due to my condition, I have reason to believe that there is a certain player in the scum pool due to certain history. I'm not going to say further but just look at the 5 points I'm making here.
fair point on random. Out of the players who do you think was most likely to set up your condition and why?
Automated Vote Count
This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.
A-Flora (5/7): A-Caine (p#843), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774), A-Fiona (p#980)
A-Martin (3/7): A-Brand (p#1013), A-Flora (p#970), A-Deirdre (p#991)
A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
Not Voting (0): None
Brand was a fairly viable wagon. Gonna look at that
Automated Vote Count
This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.
A-Flora (5/7): A-Caine (p#843), A-Gerard (p#649), A-Julian (p#646), A-Martin (p#774), A-Fiona (p#980)
A-Martin (3/7): A-Brand (p#1013), A-Flora (p#970), A-Deirdre (p#991)
A-Brand (3/7): A-Random (p#215), A-Bleys (p#232), A-Oberon (p#729)
A-Bleys (1/7): A-Llewella (p#670)
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
It was a shitpost I came across the other day and thought it was funny. that's literally all there is to it
So you, as one of the few absolutely confirmable roles in this game, chose to just grab an anime quote for no other reason than it’s a funny shitpost? No aim to confirm yourself, just shits and giggles? Like, guys, if you want my reasoning, I’ll give it but this is just… wow.
I don’t think anyone buys this but the effort from Fiona is admirable
Agree. A for effort. F for such a godawful move
A-Deirdre wrote:
Can you confirm if this was an original post written by you or was this a copy and paste from somewhere else?
I copy-pasted it tbh. Was looking for quotes that fit my criteria and I didn’t want to just copy this out word for word when I had the whole thing handy.
Fair.
A-Deirdre wrote:
It was a shitpost I came across the other day and thought it was funny. that's literally all there is to it
So you, as one of the few absolutely confirmable roles in this game, chose to just grab an anime quote for no other reason than it’s a funny shitpost? No aim to confirm yourself, just shits and giggles? Like, guys, if you want my reasoning, I’ll give it but this is just… wow.
Can you confirm if this was an original post written by you or was this a copy and paste from somewhere else?
A-Fiona wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
I haven't been active because I've been working on a personal project. this is stupid.
this is also unfalsifiable. There's no way I can prove you didn't post it any more than you can prove I didn't post it. but you don't see me making that argument
I can walk you through my entire thought process for choosing that post. Would genuinely love to hear yours.
It was a shitpost I came across the other day and thought it was funny. that's literally all there is to it
Can you link to it?
A-Fiona wrote:
spotting a refence does not even prove he posted it for fucks sake. assuming he actually spotted it. he could've just researched it
No one is buying your BS
This changes the game state big time
Living players
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Caine
A-Deirdre
A-Fiona
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
A-Oberon
A-Random
Confirmed Town
A-Deirdre
A-Oberon
A-Caine
Likely Town
A-Random
Confirmed Scum
A-Fiona
POE
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
From there
A-Gerard - likely most likely town
Remaining
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Llewella
Let's lock this in
VTL: A-Fiona
WEll that takes care of that
BOOM BYE SCUM
VTL: A-Bleys
UNVOTE
I agree jailer should not out
A-Brand wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
VTL: A-Fiona
Fiona or Byes should be the lynch.
Whats with the focus on Bleys? They already said they'd be back tonight and didn't Mag already say he'd replace if need be? This is just lazy at best
Problem with Bleys isn’t just his inactivity. His pushes yesterday were truly godawful.
VTL: A-Fiona
Fiona or Byes should be the lynch.
A-Brand wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
There are pros and cons to asking for claim. The thing is in role madness game or vanilla games it can prevent a PR from being ML’d.
I get that, I do. But I don't like how the meta on this site often ends up with PRs being forced to out themselves. I understand it can't be avoided 100% of the time (excluding all Vanilla games), but I feel like it happens too often here
Agreed. Maybe I should host a mountainous game. The site wouldjt know how to play
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna be busy at work today, catching up in the meantime
A-Oberon wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Listen, you and I just have fundamentally different approaches to the game. I understand that the meta on this site is very heavy on pushing for claims. I understand this, but I've grown to dislike it. That's why I like Anticlaim. I remember in Deltarune Mafia when WF basically had to out himself as the Caroler, and Rex criticized the town, saying that he wouldn't have even claimed in that scenario and would have forced the town to either lynch him or give up on making him claim to prove a point. And of course, there was Helz in the last game. And frankly, I respect this kind of approach. I'm not quite so extreme about it, I still would have preferred not dying on D1. But I didn't think that me outing my role was pro-town. You can like it or you can dislike it, but that's all I have to say on the matter
There are pros and cons to asking for claim. The thing is in role madness game or vanilla games it can prevent a PR from being ML’d.
Magoroth wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
These rules are so strict and inconsistent that there’s a pretty decent chance I’m gonna be mod killed for something. This shit is wild.
Yeah problem is these rules weren’t enforced from the start. I’ll drop referring to other identities
Yes, this is my fault for not doing so at the very start. I apologise for the heavy-handedness. Neither of you did anything wrong. It’s okay to be confused given how much shit has changed this game.
It’s certainly fine. I don’t think we ever had an anonymous game on our sites so this is something new for us.
I will say I am enjoying the game and the setup is quite interesting
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s like you see two toddlers standing in each others shoulders wearing a trench coat and you have to pretend it’s a real person lol
Lol
A-Gerard wrote:
These rules are so strict and inconsistent that there’s a pretty decent chance I’m gonna be mod killed for something. This shit is wild.
Yeah problem is these rules weren’t enforced from the start. I’ll drop referring to other identities
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s mostly that vote lol. “I townread Martin but yolo let’s wagon with Flora because he’s scary”
Then he follows it up with
“Of Martin flips town I’m turbo lynching you tomorrow”
If your scum in that situation that is a gold opportunity to get two mislynches by setting up flora for a second one. He probably thought support would carry over for flora today, and that lunch was all but guaranteed. I don’t think he planned for the jailer killing him.
as scum I would never pass on an opportunity to mislynch Pie on d1
I mean I think you would. From your POV you probably thought there would be more criticism of that mislynch then the Martin one, and if the Flora lynch followed it and seemed well justified, then you get the Flora lynch anyway
Pie has such an incredible ability to somehow yank the noose off his neck and wrap it around someone else. I wouldn’t count on him being the d2 yeet
Going to our some more thought into this when I get home. Here’s kinda where I’m at
Living Players
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Caine
A-Deirdre
A-Fiona
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
A-Oberon
A-Random
Town
A-Oberon - confirmed blackmail and confirmed fall. Granted could be 3p but I doubt this. Regardless not mafia.
A-Random - There’s a 0% chance he tries to ML someone who is dying anyway. I also don’t see any scum motivation in outing main accounts.
A-Caine - I know I am town
Leaving
A-Bleys
A-Brand
A-Deirdre
A-Fiona
A-Gerard
A-Llewella
I really need to re read those slots. I am still struggling to resolve Brand.
A-Gerard wrote:
It’s mostly that vote lol. “I townread Martin but yolo let’s wagon with Flora because he’s scary”
Then he follows it up with
“Of Martin flips town I’m turbo lynching you tomorrow”
If your scum in that situation that is a gold opportunity to get two mislynches by setting up flora for a second one. He probably thought support would carry over for flora today, and that lunch was all but guaranteed. I don’t think he planned for the jailer killing him.
as scum I would never pass on an opportunity to mislynch Pie on d1
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Random wrote:
Caine does seem scummy as fuck but I struggle to everyone understand whether he's playing like shit or he's scum
I mean those are one and the same. But I lowkey think he’s actually a much better town player. You saw him as town in solo leveling. Do you agree with me that he played that one really well?
I actually don’t think I played that great. That said my game there was far better than the last several games.
A-Gerard wrote:
Mago just confirmed it. It’s a black mail and he failed it.
UNVOTE
I really need to think about the logistics.
A-Gerard wrote:
Caine immediately jumping on this should also tell you something lol. Dude reeks scum
So your theory is I immediately pounce on the person who’s dying anyway rather than trying for another ML and getting two town deaths?
Trying to calculate this out. Assuming worst case scenario Julius being town.
9 players
6 town v 3 scum
worst case Oberon was blackmailed and failed the challenge and we mislynh
4 vs 3
NK goes through
3 v 3 we lose.
if blackmail failed and we correctly lynch scum
7 players
5 town v 2 wolves
we afford one more ML until F5
We lynch Oberon today and he’s town
8 v 3
NK
7 v 3 tomorrow is LyLo.