A-Deirdre wrote:
Seriously, someone explain to me why the winning wagon is acting so defeatist. Yes, there have been votes against Martin. That wagon is still two votes behind, but it’s suddenly a lost cause? wtf?
It’s just Gerard and Martin. Martin is scum so it makes sense. Gerard just thinks he nailed me and refuses to consider that I would do this as town.
Still 3 hours
A-Martin wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Martin wrote:
well good luck guys. i think this is gonna be my last one for a while. im a bit tired of getting lynched and always losing this battle with him lol
Why do you think you’re losing exactly? You’ve got a couple more votes on you and he’s still in the majority.
everytime ive ever been mislynched, pies led the wagon on me. he always out argues and out maniplates ppl to win in the end
Just like previous game, you have yet to explain why anyone besides you is scum. You resort to the victim mentality when you’re scum. It’s how I caught you as scum in your first ever scum game, and also how I caught you last game.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Flora wrote:
Also Fiona needs to claim first thing tomorrow. This vote is just horrible and they’ve been AWOL all day
Agree.
If you think that, then you think they’re scum. So why would they blatantly vote like this? And does it not make you think twice that I could be town lol. I literally townread you my guy
Love how Fiona just gets a complete pass. Part of me wants to change it to them. Like the vote is just so scummy
On what basis?
This is the same Banana scum MO. Verbatim. Zero push on someone else as scum. Zero explanation for who else is scum. She has zero genuine read on me. It’s verbatim a wagon of Gerard
Maybe cause people recognize that you’re tunneling me. You even said something yourself that nothing I could say would change your mind d
Also Fiona needs to claim first thing tomorrow. This vote is just horrible and they’ve been AWOL all day
When I flip town, lynch Martin. Statistically, she is scum and behaviorally she’s scum. Y’all were bamboozled the entire game. I called her as scum DP1.
Just more tunneling. Get your head out of your ass.
A-Fiona wrote:
VTL: A-Flora
Any explanation or just gonna wagon?
A-Fiona wrote:
I want to see how the new A-brand handles things before voting there
Welcome back. Thoughts on Martin?
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Gerard thinks everything I have done today is scummy. There is no consideration that I can be town. Zero. Zilch. I have maintained since the beginning that we need a third claim to analyze which of the 3 is the best option. If Town Flora sees 2 vanillas claim knowing he’s Vanilla himself, where is his focus going. Simple question.
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Cause Gerard is tunneling me and everyone else is wagoning. The intellectuals like Oberon, Random, and Deidre don’t agree and are willing to lynch Martin like I am. So help me lynch Martin
VTL: A-Martin
A town Martin would not be afraid of picking a fight with Flora. And #956 is literally parallel to her posts last game. “What can I do to prove differently.”
Why do you town read Martin
A-Deirdre wrote:
Alright, I'm back and I'll give some basic thoughts.
I think that, in general, drawing attention to the Vanilla players makes sense. We all agree that claiming one of the roles in the Town Pool from the Setup thread is a strong indicator that someone is town, particularly this early. That will change as the game goes on and the odds of CCing go down with more role claims, but for now, I agree with Flora that scum are likely to go for a Vanilla claim if pushed to do so.
And that's where things get tricky because we only know that we have 3 Vanilla claims on the table, not whether any of them are fake. I think we all agree there are bound to be a lot of VTs in this game, so just lynching among the Vanilla claims at random doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There has to be more of a basis for targeting a given player behaviorally, even if we're preferring lynches in the VT claim pool.
So the choices are pretty straightforward:
Either lynch one of the claimed VTs based on who the majority of us are sussing, or
Lynch outside of that pool, presumably getting a claim in the process (maybe not given the time we have remaining)
I'm a little hesitant to do the latter since we could just end up lynching someone who would otherwise claim a role that would effectively confirm them as town. I'm concerned about just eliminating VTs with the hope of finding scum in the mix, but I do think targeting a VT claim this DP makes the most sense. If nothing else, it would give us insight into either Martin or Flora, who I'm pretty certain are not paired, based on their flips. Much as I don't see her as scummy, Martin is the only player out of the three claimed VTs that I don't have any particular reason to townread, so that's where I'm leaning with attention to be paid to Flora should she flip town.
Flora is a dude lol. Martin is the XX chromosome
A-Random wrote:
How long do we have. At the neighbors for good
Im leaning brand but pie does seem weird atm. He's appealing very hard for very little pressure
Its plurality lynch, I kinda have to. With like 3-4 hours left
A-Martin wrote:
if pie is scum im gonna laugh so hard this will be the revenge story of the century for all the times hes lynched me both as town and scum
Lol, when I flip town, you’re gonna be on the chopping block. Pie always gets the last laugh.
If Martin flips scum, I’m going to be exonerated anyways and going to be fear killed.
You also have to realize that only Gerard has a hard on for me. The other votes on my wagon are all cruisers who haven’t elaborated on why they scumread me. Like Martin’s only reason for being on my wagon is Flora is pushing me even after I claimed.
A-Random wrote:
Just want to start building a block
Here’s the question you have to ask. Why would I as scum come up with this strategy, knowing full well that I or my scum partners are going to have to claim Vanilla, especially that early in the DP. I knew I was Vanilla when I said the strategy. And the two Vanillas are an indirect CC.
You also have to ask why people are in agreement with the strategy besides Gerard. He’s the only one who’s saying it besides Llewella who just disappeared. He’s refusing to even recognize that a Town Flora would be pushing this strategy
A-Random wrote:
Just want to start building a block
For the record, I am in agreement with the block you have.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Random wrote:
How sure are you its pie. You read him well and I am pretty sure your town
I would never say I am "Sure" Of anything, but his reaction here seems to follow the last time I remember trying to lynch him after I caught his bus on Casey a few years ago. Tons of insults, hyper posting defensiveness, threatening to rub it in my face when I am wrong, just every manipulative manuever in the book was thrown at me.
He’s neglecting to mention how when I didn’t do that, he still lynched as scum. He knows full well that I would fight tooth and nail as either affiliation. But if you want to lynch a guy who will probably fear killed anyways, will respond and be active and help generate reads, go for it.
You’re misconstruing everything I have said this entire DP. You refuse to acknowledge that this strategy was acknowledged by multiple other people as being valid. Yet you’re still pursuing me because it’s shitty logic. Everyone else is saying it’s fine, except you. At some point you have to look in the mirror and realize you’re just plainly wrong. I’m done responding to you. If anyone has any questions, they can ask me
A-Gerard wrote:
Are you autistic?
Yeah I remember the insult slinging came hard in the game you bussed casey as well. Let the rage flow through you my friend. Get it all out. Sorry that win record gets a blemish, but its gotta happen.
Lol, I know I am town. The only way it gets a blemish is if town loses, and if it does, you’re going to be a direct part of it.
I never said we should lynch through all 6 vanillas. I’m saying in the worst case there are 6 vanillas, there’s still a 33% chance. Even higher with the lesser number
Regardless random lynching through vanillas when you think there could be six of them instead of trying to read people, then tunneling that logic all day phase has got to be the stupidest town play I have ever seen from you here, which is why I struggle to buy you are town.
So you think Oberon, Random, and Deidre are all stupid, and Llewella, who you scumread is the only smart person? Take a look in mirror lmfao.
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Flora wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
This is ironic coming from you when you scumread me because I didn’t fight. Selective memory.
What game are you referencing lol. I never thought that about you. You always fight tooth and nail, town or scum. When was the last time you were ever even lynched?
Lol you were the one who lynched me in Madoka
I wasn't in madoka homie
It was the Korean one. KPop
A-Gerard wrote:
You have got to be on crack. I have never said that all 6 people have to have the town roles. If anything it was the opposite. I said in a 12 player game, let’s ASSUME 6 townies are truly Vanillas. Out of 9 townies, 6 are Vanilla. And THEN you have a 33% chance lmfao
If you assume there are 6 vanillas, the prospect of wanting to lynch through vanillas gurantees a heavy liklihood of mislynches. Like it's such bad logic bro
Are you autistic? I never said we should lynch through all 6 vanillas. I’m saying in the worst case there are 6 vanillas, there’s still a 33% chance. Even higher with the lesser number
A-Gerard wrote:
Im saying lynch Martin. I am doing exactly what I said I would do. Let the people duke it out. I am duking it out. Either get 3 more people or stfu and stop cluttering the DP cause both Deidre and Oberon and Random agree with my plan and the one person who doesn’t, you scumread.
If Martin flips town, what the fuck did we learn from her lynch? Wagon analysis? We get the same thing from lynching an inactive, while removing the problem of an inactive lol.
So you’re saying you want to lynch an inactive over Martin when you objectively know scum are likely to claim Vanilla this early on in the game
