A-Gerard

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Claims List

Caine- Vanilla Town

Martin- Vanilla Town

Unclaimed

Bleys

Brand

Deidre

Fiona

Flora

Gerard

Julian

Llewella

Oberon

Random

A-Flora wrote:

Can we plz ditch the A-s it’s confusing me.

I don't see why its so confusing, but sure lol

A-Caine wrote:

A-Gerard wrote:

Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.

Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.

Agree. I hate how they were so enthusiastic about lynching me on post #125 and completely dropped it after I claimed and you moved on.

Well he didn't completely drop it, because he said he was willing to lynch either of the VT's, so that is kind of why I am wondering why he's going for such a strong RVS play this game rather than really trying. Last game as confirmed town he was asking tons of questions especially in the last day phase. Not seeing that is raising red flags and triggering alarm bells. But again it's early.

Can you tell me which post it was you alluded to making that magoroth mistook as cryptography? Or if it was in the PM can you give full context?

Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.

Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.

A-Martin wrote:

A-Flora wrote:

VTL: A-Martin

idk what u want from me. i was happy enough to comply with u when u asked me to claim, but now ur voting me lol

What's your read on flora?

A-Caine wrote:

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Oberon wrote:

I got role PM the day before. You must be 3rd party

Just mis-read the timestamp, disregard that whole analysis

And this is why I hate OGI

Feel free to stop talking about it at any point then.

A-Bleys wrote:

yeah what even is this

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122

bleys dude lets buddy

Yeah Gerard and Brand both seem scummy to me. Brand for the mass claim float, Gerard for the role PM OGI and weird reactions - just seems like scum trying to scumhunt knowing it's safe and will produce nothing.

I don't think my analysis has been completely OGI. Again, lurking isn't OGI. Suspecting someone of a slip made on context that should happen in a mafia PM rather than a DP is not OGI.

That said, is it really that out of character for me to have OGI be a factor in my reads? I townread Rex HARD in the last game specifically because they were added to the game late, and turns out they were actually fuckin town, imagine that!

A-Oberon wrote:

yeah what even is this

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122

bleys dude lets buddy

Both of those posts were making fun of them and joking lol. R/whoosh

A-Oberon wrote:

Gerard is highly sus, but I like the enthusiasm from Flora wanting to lynch Caine.

Happy to discuss me being "sus".

Don't respond to this. But I am sad there is no wryly in this game.

A-Oberon wrote:

I got role PM the day before. You must be 3rd party

Just mis-read the timestamp, disregard that whole analysis

Reads:

A-Gerard- Towniest town mofo to exist in this god damn game

A-Bleys- Null- Typical behavior from Bleys so far, nothing out of the ordinary. This person should be easier to identify as town as the game progresses. I know this persons town and scum tells, pretty well I feel like, so I am on the lookout for something to hint me in either direction, however I don't expect to see a ton of that this early.

A-Brand- Slgiht Scum- Normalish behavior from this individual so far, mostly fluff as usua in the beginning. Here's where I think there was a scum slip: He is straight up lying about the timeline of the decrypt thing, and the context of it, because he used Rot-13 to say "I hate cryptography" literally right after Mago made the message about cryptogrophy. What does this mean? I think this individual scum slipped lol. Here's my theory about what happened:

Brand asks the mod in the mafia PM if cryptography is allowed. The mod answers yes. Then either because he felt the need to clarify of his own volition, or because Brand asked him to, Mago posts that cryptography is allowed. Not even a full two minutes go by before Brand makes the the cryptography message in Rot-13. While yes, I am considering the possibility that the way he explained it post 236 actually happened and this was a conversation that happened in the DM's and there was some very awkward timing after that with them both posting at the same time. But post 236 seems a bit overtly defensive as well. Considering the massive scum slip this person made in the previous game, I can see this person being extremely on edge about doing it again. I can see them straight up asking the mod to cover for them to set up something like this to make them look town. Either way, the whole thing feels odd, and the reaction to Random pointing out the timeline inconsistency felt immediately defensive. Also the excuse in 224 kind of lowkey makes no sense to me. If you ISO brand, there doesn't appear to be a "mistyped" post that could possibly be looked at as being a cypher. At least I don't see it, so if this person would like to clarify what post it was, be my guest. In the mean time, it looks like it happened in another PM and if it did, it makes no sense why this happened in a town DM if you are randomly asking about rules regarding cryptography. It seems like there was some discussion around whether this should be used in some regard in the game for manipulation purposes, because this whole conversation just feels faked as fuck.

A-Caine- Null- So far most of their posts have been about the new bot and features they have added which are genuinely really cool, would like to see some more game related content from this individual. The constant repeating that they are against mass claiming is weird, no one is suggesting a mass claim. A claim was pushed from two players exactly, one with a history of having bad fake claims, the other with a history of burst of inactivity. Nothing that wierd about any of that so far. Lots of posts calling out OGI, which I just hate in general when people do this. Let the mod fucking decide whats OGI, whats bannable, and what should and shouldn't be done. Also this logic comes across as extremely dismissive of the point the "OGI" posts are trying to accomplish. I disagree that the timestamp thing was OGI because it was the equivalent of calling out people for lurking behavior, which is a common scum tell. And the stuff about cryptography and DM's with Brand could indicate messages that show communication in another thread. Why didn't you call it OGI when we lynched thoth/alyssa for the mafia discord communication in Mikals game, but when we do the same thing here, all of a sudden its OGI? I am hesitant to call any of this scum behavior just for being inconsistent however. Being kind of silly =/= Being scum. I will need more overall behavior to analyze this individual though so I encourage you to post more game stuff than just self glaze about your features. We love the features. I'll glaze the shit out of you in a private unrelated game DM about it if you want. But lets lock in fam.

A-Deidre- Null/scum- This person is scum. I have repeatedly stated I am not good at reading this player. I tend to townread them every time and it fucks me every time, so I am going to reset how I view this player, and just assume they are scum and everything they say is scummy until they do something significant to prove otherwise. I am partially memeing, but I am being for reals as well. I think this person is a great target for investigations, and I will probably hold them as a high value pressure focus unless they do something significant like in the last game with their pressure and theme focus to tell me otherwise. Also in general would like to see more from this person, but I know they tend to do big bulkier style posts during periods when they are made available, so it's not a huge rush. But yeah, for now, scum read by default.

A-Flora- Slight Scum- The Caine pressure for a claim made sense for this person. The Martin pressure, slightly extra. Maybe because they caught them as scum recently, but this person complied immediately, and now they are just straight up voting them for their claim. It feels lazy, but it also feels like something scum Fiona probably thinks they can get away with because "I always do this". While slightly true, not all the way true. It's not like we haven't seen multiple vanilla claims multiple times before, and I have reason to believe there is probably more than one VT in this game considering the host comes from MU where multiple vanillas is very common in games. Anyways it is a kind of early vote for Fiona so we will see if their reads develop in time and they try to push something stronger, but I can see this person also thinking he has two easy mislynches on the table that he can easily explain his way out of by saying "I would have done this as town too". Which I don't know if that is entirely true since we've seen this person town read millers many many times despite claiming they want to policy lynch them. Overall this player is making a bad starting impression on me, but I'll let them cook.

A-Flora- Null- 0 posts so far, probably unaware the game exists, indicating its unlikely they received a mafia PM. However there is a certain player who I know for a fact would be busy and purposefully lurk the first day phase, so if that's this person, could be something to look into. But considering there's others who haven't posted, I'll just leave it null and move on.

A-Julian- Null- 0 posts so far, so logic applies from flora.

A-Llewella- Null/Scum- Made a whopping three posts, one was a random vote, one says they aren't going to do anything, and the third Caine for wagoning, which is kind of exactly what he just did. I think I know who this is though, and this feels like a weak entry for a comeback game if they are town. Not that this person has ever really had a strong town game, but I want more.

A-Martin- Null/ Slight town- This person claimed immediately when asked, this is a town tell for this person to claim early. Also after just being lynched in another game, I feel like as scum they would be more reticent to claim immediately something like VT, especially after it's already been claimed just a few posts before. And like I said above, I think there is a high likelihood this host included multiple vanillas given the site they hail from.

A-Oberon- Null- This person actually has some decent opening posts to read into. However I know this person is capable of deep manipulation tactics. While I want to town read that they are immediately coming after me, I also literally just had a conversation with this person about them following attacking strong players in their bingo card where they admitted this is something they do, so I can see them trying to play into that for consistency. This is a player I will have to keep eyes on as the game progresses, and I will have a hard time reading them in general, after seeing how well they play as scum. That said, they are completely null for me. I do feel this persons town behavior in the past has been pretty easy to identify so I am looking for certain tells.

A-Random- Slight town- I like this persons posts so far, they feel very town to me so far. Its what I would expect from their town game at least. This person I think has gotten way better at scum over the years, so it's something I will have to be open to changing my mind about as the game progresses, but in the meantime, I like the fact that they had trouble identifying certain people but seemed to figure it out shortly after, seems in character for them assuming they are town. I don't think they set it up to look that way now, though initially I had the thought. But I am mostly town reading this individual because they caught onto the same thing with random as I did. They aren't aggressively pushing the read but you can tell it pinged them as scummy. If I am town and came to that conclusion as well, it makes me think they came to this conlusion from a place of genuine nature as well.

Anyways, I think that is everyone. I have every person nailed down so far I think minus the two who haven't posted, and POE kind of makes them one of the two other people who haven't posted, which should be easy enough to identify based on their posting styles soon after they make their entrance to the game. Then we can go from their with regards to reading them and their behavior as it applies to their metas, and context of the game.

Kind of wondering if Randoms ignorance about who people are is an actual slip or if he is playing it up

UNVOTE

Ty now we can move on. UNVOTE

Thats on you. If you make us wait til L-1 though that's a very realistic possibility.

Dare Accepted

It aint my bot son, plus I like it okay

VTL: A-Caine

Sure, time to claim I guess. Let's get this over with, you know how this goes.

Get ur shittin pants on

Oh look at that, he did have guts! They were inside him the whole time!

LMAO never once

Maybe I should do some RM roleplay. Let's see how long I can do that til you all just get annoyed to death and policy lynch me.

Did RM actually replace into this game lmao?

I haven't gaslit you into oblivion and blocked you yet XD

Banana engaging stealth mode for this game

OMG OMG waaaaah waaaaah Your breaking a rule! Your directly saying who you think someone is!!! MOD KILL NOW waaaaaaaahhhh

Already know who you are too lmao So much for being anonymous

??? You are the one looking for OGI and actively asking people for it. I didn't want to get modkilled so I asked the mod before disclosing it. If you didn't want to get modkilled idk what to tell you. Maybe ask him yourself first.

This has already been discussed and dropped. You bringing it back into the conversation and seeking a mod kill is what is interesting about this whole thing.

Not sure what Magoroth's definition of the 'normal rules' which apply is. Some sites ban angleshooting and disclosing things like when role PMs were received. I'll wait for him to clarify.

Sounds like you want me to be mod killed, other wise why even talk about this? Hoping for a free kill today? Town wouldn't want that.

Can we not talk about when we received role PMs? This reeks of OGI

Well it is already dropped because I said I was wrong about the timestamp, so if you want to keep bringing it up, be my guest.

But since you mentioned it, would you consider someone suspecting lurking OGI? That's basically all I was doing. Also if the mod is publicly confirming he sent out PM's at a certain time, it's pretty "game related".

Love probabilities, would be great to know where this one comes from.

Kind of meme’ing you for the “your always scum” thing but at the same time, statistically it is kind of accurate lmao