A-Llewella wrote:
Lets be real though. Think any person on this site could pretend to be me : )
Well now I know who you are, and my initial impression of who you were is wrong lol. And you are not who you want me to think you are either.
A-Llewella wrote:
Lets be real though. Think any person on this site could pretend to be me : )
Well now I know who you are, and my initial impression of who you were is wrong lol. And you are not who you want me to think you are either.
I identify as they/them. Please respect my pronoun.
I will do my best, but if I fuck up, know its because I am an idiot not because I am being hateful or discriminatory. I game with someone who is a they/them and I accidentally say "bro" or "hell yeah man" and stuff all the time and catch myself afterwards and am like "fuck that was an accident lol sorry". They never seem to care. Anyways just a heads up that I am not trying to be toxic if I forget here or there.
It has to be solvable by hand, apparently. I have no clue. I use a website to decode Rot-13, but that makes cryptogrophy kind of pointless imo. I am not smart enough to know how to make a hand solved cryptography message, and idek what "solved by hand" means in this context.
Do we have to policy lynch you for being a non-contributive contrarian dick head or are you going to pull your head out of your ass at some point? I am holding hope for that, so don't let me down bub.
In fact that are a lot of Jester-Esque roles. The "associate" is a 3p role that turns someone into a jester if their liege gets killed. Executioner is basically the same thing but their target is assigned not chosen and they get turned into a Jester. Rogue Tyiga is basically a body swapping Jester.
Thats 3 roles that are basically variations of jesters, then there are other roles like Blackmailer which can be used to set someone up as a mislynch or to slip, Disguiser can be used for jester-esque manipulation and purposeful slips.
There is some wild potential for this game in the deception department, and we need to be ready for that. Begin paranoia inducing yourselves now!
Prince of Chaos (Disguiser)
Description: You are a Chaosite from the royal family, with shapeshifting abilities and the ability to walk the black road the straddles the multiverse.
Ability: Attack a player at night, killing them. You will disguise yourself as them, taking over their account. They will flip with your account’s name, their own role, and your last will. One charge.
Slot: Killing
Check out this role in the set up thread. This is a potential scum role. Holy shit this role is actually OP. And I got hate for including a Yakuza or a Tailor lmao. This role is way more bastard and chaotic. That said, if this role exists it needs to be executed with precision the likes I think only a small few people are capable of pulling off, so in dp2 and onward I will by hyper analyzing people's posting styles for consistency. You should do the same with me.
Anyways, what is your "ask"?
A-Llewella wrote:
If I get an ask in return.
95 posts with little said was not about the post count. It was about how many posts you have made with how little you have really said.\
This is... An interesting take. I was the first one to post an extensive read list, and have been poking and prodding multiple people including yourself for further activity. I have engaged in a lot of dialogue to help further the day phase, and am currently pressuring inactives to post.
I assume you are either not caught up or are trying to rage bait here, because this is honestly just factually incorrect.
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Gerard has 95 posts so far. Why have they said so little?
I'm surprised I haven't been replaced for inactivity yet
I don’t think that was conservative. It was calculated based on reads of dead townie ie Vader and Helz + the general idea that Banana would be more active than Shining. Plus we had the lynches to spare. I was sus of Banana when everyone was townreading her, and it won us the game
Well I'll take your word for it for now. Honestly me telling you the things I scum read you for this early is probably counter intuitive though because you will know what behavior to change or look out for with how you play if you are scum, so ultimately its probably not really worth discussing. I will say I am backing off of the scum read on you though towards null territory.
I’ve already stated my plan, and you havent said whether you want to do it or not.
Yolo lynching between the VT's? Or did I miss it? If it's the first I'd rather not without significant behavioral reasons for doing so, but if we get to a point where we don't have someone to lynch by EOD I would consider it.
Lol, Brands is also a target. See my reads tho. FOS and under is who I’m fine with pursuing atm
I don't know if I agree with all of your reads, we seem to share a lot of different views, but of the two in your scum pile I would look at Llewella. I vastly disagree with you on random though.
There is 5 fucking third party roles listed in the setup list. If there are no third parties in this game, that would be such a huge troll from the host lol.
I highly anticipate the fit about claim pushing from Flora that we will inevitably receive from one of Fiona or Julian lol
There is a total of seven town roles listed in the set ups thread. With 12 players, 3-4 being scum max, that leaves a total of 8-9 Town roles total factoring in a potential third party. I think it's safe to say that this is confirmation that there is at the very least, more than one Vanilla Townie. Though if there ends up being more than 3 claims of VT, I think it would be safe to say there is a scum among them.
Do you have a question for me?
Sure.
Do you have any thoughts on occurrences in the game so far?
I see your vote is on Brand. Why?
Any reads, general activity or contributions would be helpful.
im not buddying you just pointing out that his only contbrbution so far has been to kind of tunnel u and he was defensive earlier too
Fair.
Thanks good sir.
Can you send an activity ping to Llewella, Fiona, Julian and Oberon please?
I am going to go out on a limb here and assume people aren't RPing as each other. I think it would be pretty obvious if someone was trying to mimick you if you are town and you would probably end up calling that out. And for scum, it just seems like more work than it's worth. I don't really see the payoff either. Someone like Flora having to tell someone like Deidre for example how exactly to respond to every post they would normally respond to seems like a lot of effort to accomplish virtually nothing, if the person is scum read its not like doing that would change their affiliation. Kind of makes no sense to RP as someone else here unless your just trying to troll.
I don’t think I was conservative by any means. I was very liberal with the way I played because I knew I had a trump cars in my pocket of revealing myself. It was all to generate more reads. I could play differently as town because I knew I could prove myself as town at any given point. It’s an apples to oranges situation here. I knew I had the authority to do what I want and had the credibility, which I don’t have here.
Doesn't change the fact that you still had enough room for doubt about Banana to lynch shining over her, which again shows some level of being more conservative.
If you’re asking why I specifically targeted Caine and Martin, then yes, it wasn’t really RVS albeit I assumed Martin was someone else, but if you’re going to assume that I wouldn’t do this as both scum and town, it should be NAI to you, not scummy.
No I know its NAI. This is one of those reads that will develop based on further actions with this, IE if you end the day phase just being okay with a VT lynch without much other factors coming into play, because you can easily just dismiss this argument by saying "It was NAI" and bam you got yourself a potential easy mislynch, assuming shes not scum.
I did. I think it’s very WIFOMy considering the slip in the previous game. Remember that he started similarly about soft claims I think. I’m fine getting a claim from him and then having everyone duke it out, but Llewella is also another option cause uk him too.
Llewella is one of those players that thinks they are much stronger than they actually are, so maybe they think this whole "resistance to comply" thing will look good for them or help their case at all. I don't think it will. I am not sold they are scum by any means, but they definitely need to give up the "Im hard act" or they can fuck around and find out the same way everyone else does before getting lynched for obstinance.
I think you should let me cook. You pick the third person you want a claim from. Would bet good money they claim VT, and then have the 3 duke it out. Force everyone on the sidelines to a take a position. Max reads, little role risk, 33% chance of getting scum.
I don't really want to pressure someone for a "claim" first. I have a couple of leads I want to pursue based on behavioral things I've noticed, a potential slip with Brand, and I want the inactives to post before we start demanding claims, but if their answers aren't satisfactory to me I am more than happy with that road leading to a claim.
I thought Martin was someone else. That someone else is probably Llewella
I dont want to take the bull by the horns here, but I think I know who Llewella is too. XD
Statistically the odds of scum claiming Vanilla are high. I’m going to stick to my strategy. You agreed with Caine. I just asked Martin to claim cause I thought they were someone else. But even assuming that half of town (let’s say 6) is VT and all 3 scum claiming Vanilla, you’re looking at a 33% chance of outright catching scum
The hard thing with you is I know you as scum would say the same thing here and just post justify and debate the reason you were right here. It's not the logic that pings me, its the motive and behavior around it. Coming off a game where I observed you as confirmed town, I got to see you play in a way that was much more conservative and open minded, maybe with the exception of helz. You were asking questions and trying to make it look like you were giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, even opting to lynch shining over banana when you had a jailkeep on her and a stopped night kill. So now your telling me your vote isn't RVS but are still defending the logic behind the vote, so that's kind of indicative of scum Flora here to me. Again I'll let you cook, but if you stick to your guns here it might just look scummier to me ngl.
Anyways you didn't comment on any of my analysis regarding the potential scum slip from Brand on the timeline of his mentioning the cryptogrophy. I would like to hear your opinion on that.
There is a certain player in this game who I know for a fact would delay posting on purpose if they were scum as a combination of being busy and for strategical purposes, as they have done it with me before in past scum games. So I am not willing to give inactives a pass this time around.
VTL: A-Fiona
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Bleys wrote:
yeah what even is this
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=121
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=122
bleys dude lets buddy
Yeah Gerard and Brand both seem scummy to me. Brand for the mass claim float, Gerard for the role PM OGI and weird reactions - just seems like scum trying to scumhunt knowing it's safe and will produce nothing.
I don't think my analysis has been completely OGI. Again, lurking isn't OGI. Suspecting someone of a slip made on context that should happen in a mafia PM rather than a DP is not OGI.
That said, is it really that out of character for me to have OGI be a factor in my reads? I townread Rex HARD in the last game specifically because they were added to the game late, and turns out they were actually fuckin town, imagine that!
I don't know who any of you are and tbh I'm not going to waste time trying to figure it out.
You shouldn't need to know people's identities to be able to form solid reads either way.
A-Flora wrote:
A-Random wrote:
One of the two who claimed could likely be scum. I think the latter. Not sure what vt is but im assuming that's the vanilla in this game and scum will be forced to claim that.
Thats the thing though, if enough people claim VT, it increases the odds that there’s scum in there. 13 player game so probably 10-3 of 9-3-1. Probably 4-5 vanillas max is what I would guess. You’re already half way there
I think late VT claims will ping me as more suspicious than early ones, but its not completely out of the question one of the two are scum. I would want significantly more evidence to read them behaviorally against before going that direction.
A-Flora wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Kind of wondering if Randoms ignorance about who people are is an actual slip or if he is playing it up
What do you mean ignorance? Sounds like they’re actively thinking about who’s who
I have kind of got the sense that its genuine since I first posted that. But I guess people's identities just seemed extremely obvious to me so I was wondering if he was faking it.
u seem a bit obsessed with gerard this game, it comes off as a bit defensive from ur interactions
I mentioned you as a town read and now it feels like your buddying me lol. Hmm....
Also were already at 300 posts in less than 24 hours. I don't think activity generation is a huge problem yet. Though certain people need to post more, looking at you Fiona, Julian and Llewella!
A-Flora wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.
Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.
RVS style is what generates activity, and I would disagree that it is out of character. I’ll reread and post my reads. The vote count spam is pissing me off tho
That's kind of my point though, is that it is in character enough for you to use it as an excuse for a mislynch "I would do this as town" even though I don't think that's neccesarily true. I have seen you drop RVS or policy style lynches shortly after adopting them after changing your read before. So it comes down to whether I am just jumping the gun instead of letting you cook here, or you are actually wanting to just straight up lynch one of the VT's.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Gotta say, not a fan of your entry to the game so far. It’s early so I’ll let you cook. But the type of posts you’ve made so far almost make me wanna buy the theory mentioned that people in the scum PM are roleplaying as each other. That or you are going for a heavy RVS style of play which is also out of character.
Would like a thought and reads post from you at some point.
Agree. I hate how they were so enthusiastic about lynching me on post #125 and completely dropped it after I claimed and you moved on.
Well he didn't completely drop it, because he said he was willing to lynch either of the VT's, so that is kind of why I am wondering why he's going for such a strong RVS play this game rather than really trying. Last game as confirmed town he was asking tons of questions especially in the last day phase. Not seeing that is raising red flags and triggering alarm bells. But again it's early.
So much for an anonymous game lol
Well not a single person so far as even really attempted to disguise their posting styles or change the times from when they are usually active. So cat's out of the bag on this one. In my situation I literally can't hide who I am because I am a night owl working grave yard shifts, so it would be pretty obvious to anyone who I was when I am posting neurotically all night lol. That said there is a chance people are meta gaming this and trying to pretend to be other people. I am open to that for sure.