A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
Why shouldn’t we lynch you? You got off Scot free yesterday because of Flora. Why shouldn’t we lynch you today?
you know how pie and I always clash. I’m my biggest mafia wet dream would be MIs lynching Pie on day 1
Sorry that was directed at Fiona but the tag didn’t work
Scum have an illusionist based on Julian’s hidden flip
Could be the interrogator as well, keep in mind. Pie seemed convince it was a Jailer though
Why shouldn’t we lynch you? You got off Scot free yesterday because of Flora. Why shouldn’t we lynch you today?
Why did you say Martin seemed town, just to vote her a few posts later?
If only flora could have provided those level of reads yesterday
Sup cuntnuggets
I don't think I can hold my eyes open anymore. Im gonna lay down.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Fiona wrote:
We have less than 1 hour. I do not think the lynch will be anything but Flora or Brand. just Relax
I have a very strong preference for Flora over Brand.
My fuckin man! If it's a mislynch i'll bear full responsibility for it. Though I don't see myself losing too much sleep over it if it is.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
I give up. Pie wins again. Why did I fuck my sleep schedule up for this lol I should have known pie would get his way.
Resistence is futile. Daddy pie always gets what daddy pie wants
You can be the change in the status qou! Vote pie!
A-Flora wrote:
Maybe cause people recognize that you’re tunneling me. You even said something yourself that nothing I could say would change your mind d
Tunneling you would imply I was planning on lynching you for longer than just last night. Tunneling is in fact what you did this entire day phase.
I give up. Pie wins again. Why did I fuck my sleep schedule up for this lol I should have known pie would get his way.
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
Oh bull fucking shit man lol. Scum Pie wants all the smoke. Dude has the biggest ego in all of mafia. He probably didn't think there was a margin of possibility of him being a day phase one lynch. When is the last time you remember pie even getting lynched, let alone day phase one? You think that cocky SOB didn't think he would get an out for this?
If that’s what he thinks he’s doing, then he’s wrong. It’s not giving him an out, at least not beyond this DP. It just makes him a priority lynch the longer the game goes on, and from my perspective, a priority the moment Martin flips town.
Quite the opposite actually. This is self admitted. He wanted to only employ the lynch vanilla strat one time, and if it was a mislynch just full stop. Which gives him a perfect pass for when he inevitably claims vanilla later lol
If that’s what he believes should happen, fine. It’ll backfire on him. I’ll push for his lynch and it looks like I wouldn’t be alone.
So what would pie have to do to come off as scummy because even pie self admits he would double down as either affiliation. Your giving him a pass for something he thinks is NAI lol
I’m saying the move doesn’t make sense to start as scum. He’d have to double down on it either way because he’s too invested, but I don’t think scum Pie puts this kind of attention on himself and literally inserts himself into POE for the rest of the game as a starting strategy.
Lowkey these are some good points from Deirdre. I'm inclined to agree that this is the sort of risk Flora would not be inclined to make as scum, not this early in the game. On the other hand, Martin has just felt off to me all game. Like I said earlier, I was genuinely surprised when I realized who they were. I might switch to Flora by EoD simply out of self-preservation if need be, but I want to see where this goes.
VTL: A-Martin
Holy fucking shit, pies gonna get away with it. I actually can't believe this shit right now lol
A-Random wrote:
Wish more people would read thoth posts and behavior. I dont see how people dont see a rage quit
He didn't rage quit in solo leveling. He stayed talking to helz for a page and a half after being lynched lol. This is more like Ruyi Zhuan where he just got sick and dis-appeared, except we didn't have the benefit of getting him replaced in that one.
A-Random wrote:
Im saying I do townblock you. Just reinforcing for later day phases. You leading this isn't scumy behavior but I do think scum would want a kill on pie dp1
They would just night kill him lol. When's the last time you've seen pie get lynched? Whens the last time it happened day phase 1?
As for the Miller thing, the reason he's backed off in the past is generally that he couldn't get it going in the first place because other people didn't agree with the policy and thought there was a better option in context.
Your giving him a lot of credit. I have always thought he just never wanted to admit he was wrong about it because he defended it so hard, but if he town reads a miller he isn't going to lynch them lol. Meta Policy is only stringent when it nets him mislynches.
Pretty much like town Flora. The one time did genuinely catch him behaviorally, it's because he made a particular argument against a specific player that he had used in a previous game where he was scum, and I caught on to that.
Pie's behavior here is almost exactly like the game where I caught on to his bus of Casey and went into LYLO with him. Called me names, told me he would laugh in the endgame, pulled every manipulation strategy to get me to vote wylted in LYLO. He was scum.
A-Random wrote:
Regardless of this flip. There is a lot of analysis from this. Im staying brand. Trust me gut with the rage quit. The flora lynch seems opportunistic. I dont think i scum read Gerald but I def think there are scum on the wagon
So much for wanting to town block and sheep me lol.
The long and short of it is that I think Pie doesn’t draw this kind of heat on himself if he’s scum.
Oh bull fucking shit man lol. Scum Pie wants all the smoke. Dude has the biggest ego in all of mafia. He probably didn't think there was a margin of possibility of him being a day phase one lynch. When is the last time you remember pie even getting lynched, let alone day phase one? You think that cocky SOB didn't think he would get an out for this?
He knows his strategy applies to him as well, knows that another VT claim flipping town puts him in even hotter water.
Quite the opposite actually. This is self admitted. He wanted to only employ the lynch vanilla strat one time, and if it was a mislynch just full stop. Which gives him a perfect pass for when he inevitably claims vanilla later lol
It just doesn’t come off as scummy.
So what would pie have to do to come off as scummy because even pie self admits he would double down as either affiliation. Your giving him a pass for something he thinks is NAI lol
A-Flora wrote:
Gerard thinks everything I have done today is scummy. There is no consideration that I can be town. Zero. Zilch. I have maintained since the beginning that we need a third claim to analyze which of the 3 is the best option. If Town Flora sees 2 vanillas claim knowing he’s Vanilla himself, where is his focus going. Simple question.
This is blatantly a lie. I wasn't even on you until last night. I made the decision to vote you with less than 24 hours remaining in the game, asked you for reads multiple times, gave you a million oppertunities to present a behavioral target instead of pursuing a policy meta. You act like I am being entirely unreasonable here when I have been giving you more than enough grace. You have doubled down and shut out anyone who disagrees with you and haven't appeared willing to be objective about being wrong here. I can't fathom a town pie doing any of that, but if you are town and we double mislynch from this, you bear all the weight of pursuing this dumbass policy.
Also isn't funny how you say you want to only do this once? Then you what, conveniently reveal that your a vanilla later, and be like "oh looks like we already failed testing a vanilla claim, so don't waste another try at a mislynch on me! Herpaderp" The levels of hypocrisy are the size of Mount Everest
A-Brand wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Brand wrote:
Gonna do some speed reading of past pages, but can either of you tell me real quick why there's a Flora wagon?
Mainly has to do with his strategy of lynching among VT claims. Lot of disagreement as to whether that’s good or will lead to a slew of mislynches, wagon formed in part because the view that this was aiming for the latter.
Mm, I see. I feel like that's pretty NAI for Flora, tho? I'll read through the past few pages but that doesn't convince me immediately
Pie pretending to follow a policy but not following through with it would be NAI. How many times have you heard pie say he wants to policy lynch a miller but then never follow through? Then the one game where he doesn't have a fuck ton of mech analysis to go on, his idea is to follow through policy lynching vanillas when we have reason to believe theres a ton of them, and he is one himself? Then he goes on to tunnel that read the rest of the day phase, barely look into anyone else, and provide the weakest read list I've ever seen from pie? What does scum pie do in this game if this isn't scum pie? What does a scum pie game look like in your eyes?
Pie always gets his way. Lets mix it up a little and make things interesting. We've lynched Banana a million times. It's pies turn in the sun for once.
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Gerard wrote:
I mean… yes? The goal would be to draw attention to the other, and if they somehow thread that needle or draw attention elsewhere, that would indeed be a problem.
If they are both town, then this entire logic just fucked town into two mislynches, and thats gonna hurt. And that's also gonna be on Flora.
Agreed, but here we are. I’m not happy that this is where we’re ending the DP and it could end up with two mislynches, just saying how I see it.
The same thing I said to random I'll say to you. From what I gather you don't town read flora, you just vaguely agree with his analysis that we should lynch within vanillas. You can accomplish that by following floras plan and lynching him. There's no reason he should be exempt from his own mech policy.
If we are just as likely to mislynch either one of them why not Flora? You know the longer this game goes on, the more strong town players get picked off, the more likely Flora gets to manipulate the weaker or less active players. In this case he doesn't have anything going for him role wise. If he was offering a significant amount of behavioral analysis and ideas, that would be another thing. But look at his read list in 358. You think that read list is coming from a town pie? You and I both put heaps more effort into our reads than he did. He's barely budged or moved at all in almost 72 hours from what his initial lynch goal was. He's never attempted to consider different options or offer a different direction. He has doubled down at every turn, and anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. What value is he bringing to the game? If we mislynch him yeah that sucks, but every one gets mislynched, pie way less than others. I don't think he deserves more sympathy for a mislynch than anyone else does. I got offlined mislynched in Andor and you don't see him crying a river for me lol.
A-Brand wrote:
Shit, I meant to be on earlier, but I'm here now
We have an hour and a half left. You are the top wagon next to flora. I doubt you will have time to catch up before the lynch happens, so if you are town, you probably want to vote flora here. Lynch is plurality based.
I mean… yes? The goal would be to draw attention to the other, and if they somehow thread that needle or draw attention elsewhere, that would indeed be a problem.
If they are both town, then this entire logic just fucked town into two mislynches, and thats gonna hurt. And that's also gonna be on Flora.
Holy shit im tired. I dont know if I can stay up for another hour and a half. Im doing my best.
Martin is the only player out of the three claimed VTs that I don't have any particular reason to townread, so that's where I'm leaning with attention to be paid to Flora should she flip town.
If you mislynch Martin and Flora somehow doesn't get lynched afterwards, and ends up being scum this is going to be so painful. Or your his scum partner. I hope its not the latter.
You also have to realize that only Gerard has a hard on for me.
You had soooo many opportunities to change my mind. You chose to stick to your guns and remain stubborn and cocky though, which is exactly what you would do as scum.
He’s refusing to even recognize that a Town Flora would be pushing this strategy
I think town flora would have more fleshed out reads, more questions for people, and more open minded in general. I don't think town flora attacks one thing in his first few posts thats relatively weak to begin with and barely shifts his reads for the entirety of the rest of dp1. If he does, then I vastly over-estimated his skill and overall town play. Me suspecting Flora here is actually a sign of deep respect for his town play lol
I am a bit hesitant to throw out town blocks in a mostly vanilla game, but I don't really scum read you or david at the moment, I have way bigger fish to fry. We can work together here.
The other thing to consider is that Pie will remain an unknown for the rest of the game. You will always be paranoid of him and the longer the game goes and the more strong players get picked off, the more likely town will be manipulated by him and let him lead them. This is one of the rare cases where there are players alive that are as strong as him and pie being a massive suspect in dp1, this probably will be our only opportunity to lynch him. Will I feel bad if I am wrong? Sure a little bit, but not too bad. He offline mislynched me in Andor mafia so we can call it even lol. I think the benefits of an early pie lynch outweigh the negatives. If pie can consistently escape criticism by doubling down on his logic for mislynches, then I don't think he should get a pass either. He has tough skin and will survive IRL in the off chance he is mislynched here. And if he's scum I don't expect him to give any credit to those who lynched him. We will all have been right for the wrong reasons and complete idiots who happened to have gotten lucky. Seen this song and dance many a time with him.
A-Random wrote:
Im nearly 95 on you and pretty confident in kohai as Caine. Are you okay with blocking me and david and moving on
What do you mean blocking you and david? Town blocking you two?
