A-Gerard wrote:

A-Oberon wrote:

Nobody killed Julian's player, the slot flipped because it's a disguiser..

Illusionist

Description: You are a master of illusion and subterfuge, destroying evidence and wiping out all traces of nefarious activity.

Ability: Sanitize a player at night. If they die that night or during the ensuing day, their role, alignment and last will won’t be revealed. One charge. Renewed up to once if the target does not die.

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From the Set up thread

Yeah dude I read that, I'm saying there's a combo action here, the illusionist janitored his disguiser buddy..

Bleys -

Brand -

Caine - vanilla

Deidre -

Fiona -

Gerard - vanilla (his rot13 code was too simple, I'm sure scum already knows this so I'm just going to put it up here..)

Llewella -

Oberon -

Random -

Julian - ???

Flora - vanilla

Martin - banana - vanilla

So far we only have vanilla claims.. Just probabilistically I suspect this game is very vanilla heavy.. There's a jailor, a crier, probably a coroner, and maybe 1 other town role, and that's probably it..

Nobody killed Julian's player, the slot flipped because it's a disguiser..

You misunderstand me.. See what Mag posted above..

I'm saying the Julian player was scum disguiser.. They have a illusionist scum buddy.. Julian killed someone to take over their account, then had their buddy janitor the flip to conceal the role.. This is the only way it makes sense..

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Caine wrote:

A-Gerard wrote:

Why did you spam test posts all day phase instead of do anything else? Why only participate at EOD?

Becauae I’m literally trying to build new features and needed to test them.

You understand how it looks that you had time to post, and chose not to really do anything with it til EOD when you voted martin after saying you town read her right?

As a developer myself, I understand Caine's behaviour completely..

A-Deirdre wrote:

I’ll be more active this evening, got a few things to handle this afternoon. I get Pie’s idea for the massclaim and if we want to do alphabetical order as he suggested, I’ll try to be around on time to get mine in. I’ll need to revisit my reads from last DP, but like Pie, Fiona and Caine are my main concerns. I can’t dismiss Llewella or Brand, either, both of whom I had reasons to sus last DP.

We should re-evaluate. With the janitored flip, mass claim is no longer as effective as it could be..

Also who the fuck replaced Brand? How can Julian be Supa? Supa is not on the sign up list..

Why was Julian killed any way? They're an an inactive slot thus liable to be mislynched.. The illusionist (basically janitor) role is kind of useless if Coroner exists..

@Magoroth Can disguiser and illusionist use their roles jointly? i.e disguiser takes over someone, illusionist sanitizes the disguiser so the flip is ???..

This would mean the Julian slot was scum..

I just wanna say Leaning did not replace me, there's something else at play here..

How can you confuse me for magic? He's a taco bell cuckservative, I'm a coastal elite libtard..

It's rough Jailor killed Flora.. I was going to hard defend them today..

I already had this draft queued up so I'm going to post it:

"We should not lynch Flora today, their behaviour makes no sense from a scum perspective UNLESS Brand is also scum..

"Think about this, why would Flora hardpush Martin, who had 0 votes on them at that point, when Brand was the far better counter wagon?

"He's either protecting his scum partner Brand, or he's actually sticking to his "lynch vanilla claims" strat..

"Brand was objectively scummy last DP.. I want to ensure they do not escape the conversation today.."

I'm not sure if I'll be on for the last 14 hours of the game. Consider my vote locked on Brand.

A-Gerard wrote:

It's not an on or off thing. They might argue less. Argue with lower conviction. Argue about safer things.

I don't see that difference, are you able to reference specific town and scum games where you identified this, or are you just spit balling?

Idk if u know who I am at this point, but I play like 1 mafia game a year and I'm too lazy to go and check the past games lol.

A-Gerard wrote:

In the first sentence, you say being argumentative is a town sign. So do you think they wouldn't do it as scum? This person even admits that is how they would play as scum lol. Look at any game flora is scum with me and prove that he wasn't argumentative in it lol. If flora flips scum though this will be an interesting read to look at from you in hindsight, but we can cross that bridge if we come to it.

It's not an on or off thing. They might argue less. Argue with lower conviction. Argue about safer things.

A-Gerard wrote:

Whats your read on Flora and Diedre?

Town on flora. Being argumentative DP1 is usually a town sign. Also, if they are who I think they are, their proposed play is standard both to his play history and old school mafia theory.

I have never been able to read Deirdre. If they are who I think they are. I'm actually not getting as much as a scum vibe from them as I usually do, which raises suspicions.

A-Gerard wrote:

Let him cook. This person already indicated they aren't VT, since they said that Caine's VT claim is scummy. Meaning there is a solid chance this person is confirmed town.

That's not true, if I have also indicated that VTs are scummy and I would do so whether I was VT or not which I MAY OR MAY NOT BE 🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔🧐🤔

^ see how this guy replies to gerard, but does not reply to me and at least 1 other person asking him to claim multiple times, including in huge letters

Alright lets lynch this guy

A-Brand wrote:

Okay, I'm home, and I can see that I'm at L-2. Please do not lynch me before I get fully caught up 🙏

CLAIM RIGHT NOW AND TELL ME YOUR ALIGNMENT IN LORE TERMS

A-Gerard wrote:

A-Oberon wrote:

A-Deirdre wrote:

I have it confirmed by Magoroth that the list of roles provided in the Setup thread is exhaustive, so yes, that pool of 7 roles specific to town is the extent of it. Fair enough, I appreciate the correction. That does make it harder for scum to fake claim actual roles in the game.

Well then Gerard needs to explain himself

Explain what I’m confused?

You said in #49 "I asked him this already in private, apparently there can be roles not on that list in the game", which contradicts the Deirdre quote above.

I'm putting you at L-2

VTL: A-Brand

I need you tell me right now, what alignment are you? And I need you to tell me in terms of the lore of the game.

A-Caine wrote:

I've played a lot of forum mafia and most of the time subbing out is NAI unless the player has a meta habit of subbing out as a particular alignment.

I'm saying specifically the case of subbing out while being the prime wagon with <24 hours left in the DP

A-Caine wrote:

I don't really like talking about substitutions. Let the new player talk and judge the slot by their behaviour

This is the kind of meta gaming info that's against the spirit of the game to analyze but at the same time impossible to just ignore. In my experience subbing out under the gun has been >50% scum.

A-Deirdre wrote:

I have it confirmed by Magoroth that the list of roles provided in the Setup thread is exhaustive, so yes, that pool of 7 roles specific to town is the extent of it. Fair enough, I appreciate the correction. That does make it harder for scum to fake claim actual roles in the game.

Well then Gerard needs to explain himself

Subbing out while under the gun is kinda sus tbf, now I'm not so sure about town reading Brand.

Kohai wrote:

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I agree with Flora here.

It's possible one or even both of them did go for the Vanilla claim as scum. I get that scum could have seen it as a low risk move. That being said, it's not like "claim Vanilla" or "YOLO" are the only two possibilities scum have for claiming this early.

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What’s the other option? I mean it’s clearly high risk high reward right. If they yolo and go for a PR, they cruise for a couple of DPs. Or they get CCed and you immediately go down. Only a couple of people would yolo and Martin/Caine don’t strike me as those people

It literally is "claim vanilla or yolo", especially in a semi open game like this where there isn't a big pool to claim from (and claiming a role not on the list is probably more sus). This is old school mafia theory.

I've always been partial to acting according to SOP, in practice that means in the absence of reads, we policy lynch negative utility roles -> lynch inactives -> lynch vanillas.

I'm not on board with the Brand wagon, they along with Gerard are my stronger town reads at the moment. I have at least vague reads on almost everyone except Flora and Fiona, just due to the name similarity I can't form distinct opinions of them in my head, I'll have to ISO them later; but due to time constraints probably not until after the DP is over.

I'm catching up with the last page of posts then I'm going to decide whether to continue with a coalition on Bleys or try to build one on Lywella.

A-Gerard wrote:

So lynch it?

When it comes down to it yes

A-Flora wrote:

A-Oberon wrote:

Real talk for 1 second: the inactive rule probably finds scum at a higher rate than using my reads.

What do you mean by this?

My reads aren't that good. If we just lynch the most inactive player every day phase until mylo/lylo, town will have a better win rate than if they followed my reads.

A-Gerard wrote:

So we perpetually ignore his slot?

Treat it like an inactive slot