Ok well
VTL: A-Fiona
Ok well
VTL: A-Fiona
Intent to hammer.
Also let me just remind yall that due to the nature of my condition, I have a unique sus on Random.
I'll say summarize my thoughts again, then I don't think I'll have anymore to say so we should wait for Bleys and lynch Fiona.
Fiona is likely scum, and even if TP it should be safe to lynch them.
I'm willing to town block Deirdre, Gerard and Caine.
I think Random is likely scum based on behaviour. The other scum is likely in order Brand > Bleys > Llewella.
I kind of don't buy Bleys's excuse, he could have just asked the mod for his creds again. It is now "tomorrow night" based on his last post #70 and he still hasn't shown up.
Claims should be completely reset next DP due to the janitor.
A-Brand wrote:
If Fiona is a Jester and you have been blackmailed, then it's likely 5-3-1 right now. Lynch the 3P, you die, 4-3 into NP2. Successful NK, 3-3 parity. Game over.
Actually, 8-3-1 would be a scumsided setup. Not impossible, but if there's a 3P I think 2 scum is more likely.
That's what I'm saying. Also I agree with Gerard, probabilistically Fiona has to be exactly Executioner AND their target has to be either Flora or Julian. They are likely just scum.
Flora - vanilla
Martin - vanilla
Julian - ???
Oberon - vanilla
Fiona - "regent/crier"
Deidre - regent/crier
Caine - vanilla
Gerard - vanilla
Bleys -
Llewella -
Brand -
Random -
I think lynching Fiona is still the right move here. If we leave him alive what happens later? He's still getting lynched. Mag said jesters are joint win if I recall. 8-3-1 is very unbalanced, especially with 5+ vanillas. Assuming it's 6-2-1 or 6-3 right now, If we lynch fiona it'll probably be 4-2 tomorrow, which is acceptable.
A-Random wrote:
Why would you out yourself? Because its entirely plausible scum could win today given tp roles and stalling the game is always an effective idea. Watched you do it last game religiously
Stop asking me questions you know I'm not allowed to answer
I feel like it's not Associate, a lynch would have been saved, the night chat would have been revealed in a will, and since I'm the king character thematically I should have been chosen to be the liege. Executioner with Flora/Julian as target is possible though.
Shit forgot about jester
Anyway I think Random and Brand are the other 2 scum.
A-Caine wrote:
fair point on random. Out of the players who do you think was most likely to set up your condition and why?
I can't say dude, I'm already kind of borderlining the no real player discussion rule, just read the context clues.
My big concern here is why would Fiona bait CC from crier instead of Jailer, a much more critical role to out. It could mean the Jailor is already dead and got janitored, and scum is saving that claim for someone worth saving.
YOU are def the crackhead of the thread, your sus on me makes no sense.
First of all why would I bring heat on me for no reason. Fiona/Bleys/Brand were the likely lynches of today.
Second I hinted at my condition (#73) early on in the game. If I was setting it up why would I "slip" and claim to be modkilled after having apparently committed no offense. I'm kind of being screwed over here cause I asked the mod if I was being modkilled and he said yes, only to clarify later. Like others have noted this is an easy mistake to make, it's not technically a modkill but could easily but construed as a modkill.
Third how can you jump immediately on a disguiser theory after you call me a crackhead for presenting my own disguiser theory.
Fourth @Caine or whoever said this, Random is not town lock. Fiona was shaping up the be the lynch today, Random could be trying to save Fiona by lynching me, basically a blank slot at this point. Also the wording of one of the roles (god this is tiring everyone knows what I'm saying) implies that their ability maybe refunded if their victim die by means other than that ability.
Fifth, due to my condition, I have reason to believe that there is a certain player in the scum pool due to certain history. I'm not going to say further but just look at the 5 points I'm making here.
I'm obvs voting Fiona but we should hold, I have thoughts and we should wait for Bleys.
A-Gerard wrote:
So just to be clear you know 100% for a fact you are dead?
I'm like 99% sure barring any ambiguous mechanics.
Alright it's not technically a modkill, but it is a game mechanic related kill that has a certain amount of mod discretion. Either way I'm dying at the end of the DP.
And don't ask me why I'm dying, I *can't say*. All I can say is that I am a *victim*, and look at the role list, there's only 1 ability that can cause death during the day.
I'll have detailed thoughts later tonight.
Alright boys and girls I just got confirmation that I'm getting modkilled at the end of this DP so can we just treat me like confirmed town
A-Brand wrote:
A-Oberon wrote:
Fuck I'm gonna get modkilled..
Why?
Can't say.. look at the setup role list..
A-Brand wrote:
You clearly ignored what I actually stated in my reply to you. I said that I would claim if someone other than you wanted me to do so right away. After I made that post, no one else did.
That doesn't explain anything.. You already were at L-2, with 2 direct claim requests and 1 indirect claim request.. Saying "well I refused to claim and then nothing happened" doesn't explain why you refused to claim..
Two different people DID IN FACT ask you to claim, as I linked in the post.. "I would claim if two different people wanted me to".. That's a direct quote.. you can't weasel out of this..
The entire point of asking you to claim before you've caught up is to make sure you haven't had time to be filled in by your scum buddies.. Saying you "haven't caught up" isn't a reason for not claiming..
"I didn't claim because I have a PR" that defeats the point of pressured claims.. If vanillas claim and PRs don't that moots the point of hiding PRs.. Town doesn't know if you have a PR or not.. If you claim a PR you clear yourself.. And now that I think about it, we live in a post-Janitor world, so claiming does nothing now.. I don't want you to claim anymore, but I still need you to explain why you didn't claim.
Fuck I'm gonna get modkilled..
A-Brand wrote:
A-Oberon wrote:
Get tf in here..
Isn't there someone you forgot to tag in this post?
Llewella? tbf I'm not seeing whatever it is Gerard sees in them. Their posts have DP1 have been utterly useless. I don't really care if they come in here since I don't see them providing any insight, and we already have 3 viable targets today.
A-Brand wrote:
Brand, explain now why you delayed claiming so long, and claim now..
First of all, asking me to "explain why I delayed claiming so long" doesn't make much sense to me. Like, I obviously am not responsible for any of this slot's behavior before I replaced in (duh). And after I replaced in, I did say pretty much immediately that I would claim if two different people wanted me to, which didn't end up happening (in fact, people got off my wagon afterward). I said that because (1) I wasn't anywhere close to being caught up yet and (2) outing town roles is bad on balance for the town. That's why I didn't want to claim immediately. I really don't think this should be that mysterious to you. And no, I'm not going to claim now just because you specifically want me to.
I like now you conveniently failed to quote the rest of my post #93, where I linked all the comments asking you to claim. I asked you to claim. Flora asked you to claim. Caine heavily implied he wanted you to claim. You acknowledged your position on the same page where all this happened. If you claimed then Flora would most likely not have been under as much pressure to claim, since your claim would have brought us to 3 claims. That DP could have ended completely differently.
How can u not see what I'm saying.. If you think a non-retard thing is retarded that makes u the retard.. Or scum..
Get tf in here..
Players
ILikePie5
Thoth
Whiteflame
RexFavilla (never played with before)
Helz (never played with before)
Mag1cman
Kohai
Lunatic
Banana
Bullish
Wylted
Mikal
???1 - replaced in for Thoth
Supa - replaced in for ???2
Slots
Bleys - wylted?
Brand - Thoth [???1]
Caine - Kohai - vanilla
Deidre - whiteflame
Fiona - rex?
Flora - pie - vanilla
Gerard - lunatic - vanilla
Julian - magic? [supa?]
Llewella - helz
Martin - banana - vanilla
Oberon - bullish (me)
Random - mikal
Those have been my reads..
You are the most crackhead out of all of us..
This is very important, I need to you to tell me how you feel about #12..
Look at this:
Account1 - player1 - townie
Account2 - player2 - disguiser
Account3 - player3 - illusionist
player2 kills player1, then player3 janitors account2..
Now things look like this:
Account1 - player2 - disguiser
Account2 - player1 - ??? (dead)
Account3 - player3 - illusionist
No dude I'm saying there was another NK, but we don't know who it is because his slot got taken over..
Julian has to be lying about being Supa, cause the Brand slot is playing 100% like Supa..
I'm going to put Fiona and Bleys on the backburner for the moment and focus on Brand..
I've already stated my sus on Brand based on the under the gun replacement.. But their replacement is not better.. The following posts are me and other people requesting Brand claim, no way he missed these:
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=721
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=725
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=727
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=736
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=749
Here's Brand acknowledging that he saw the posts and will claim, and "If one other player wants me to reveal right away, I'll do it".. Not that it even matters really, because he's already at L-2 so there's no reason to delay claiming anyway:
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=735
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/57/amber-mafia?comment_number=740
Brand, explain now why you delayed claiming so long, and claim now..
VTL: A-Brand