Bullish

Neodymium and Samarium Cobalt come up as the top results for strongest magnetic metals.

I think it's possible, mechanically, that Mikal and whiteflame simply got put together into a PM as a scripted event, since they both claimed magnets. So it's possible no one will claim neighborizer.

Note that we have 3 claimed elements from the noble gas column, helium, krypton, and oganesson. One was IC and flipped town.

I do buy casey's dreamer claim. For one low activity players are generally not gambit players. For 2, with all these visiting roles, casey could have easily been visited without him knowing, thus making a dreamer claim obviously fake.

If casey is town, I find it unlikely Lunatic would go so hard on mago when casey was an easy alternative mislynch.

That leaves Mikal. The only reason I did not scum read mikal is because he's scum reading me for no reason/retarded reasons, just like he did in the Amber game.

VTL: Mikal

The results on page 2 are so confusing...

Anyway I am time traveling motion detector. Cesium is used to define the SI unit for time, that's the justification.

So on NP1 I'm effectively just a regular motion detector. I targeted whiteflame. With all the actions that happened I obviously got an affirmative on motion.

My role doesn't become powerful until later DPs where I can verify past lying actions. I would have preferred to out this later, but since I'm on the dreamer result unfortunately I have to out now.

You know what's funny, my results also implicate whiteflame.

Lunatic wrote:

Both Mikal and bullish advocates a Casey lynch hard. The way Mikal did it was a bit scummier though and seemed like more “TMI” than anything.

I did not advocate for a Casey lynch, at least not hard. Only reason I popped on and voted casey was because it was EOD and casey was the biggest wagon. I would have preferred a Mago lynch. By mid day phase I was trying to thunderdome mago, and I was trying to politik 5 votes on mago total.

Is it just a coincidence the 3 dreamer results just happen to be the oldest DDO players?

Helz wrote:

Something I am chewing on is why on earth would S! Luna shift off S! Casey and then Casey drag Luna into a 3p PoE. This does not make sense to me.

Agree with this

I'll claim or partially claim in a minute, it's very situational, I need to be strategic about it so we get any info out of it.

Reading the last DP, I think Mago OMGUS voted 4 separate times lol. I think it was a town-led wagon.

First let me just explain, I would have been asleep at the time DP1 ended. I specifically set an alarm for 30 minutes before the DP ended, just so I could hammer if needed. At the time casey was the leading wagon so I voted casey. Then I went back to sleep. Had I been present at the very end of the day phase I would have also voted Mago.

VTL: Casey_Risk

Kohai wrote:

You seem to be tunneling Magoroth very hard. Can you explain the reasons for your scum read on them?

It was just gut at the beginning.

However his "frustration" at being scumread seems fake. He has expressed this multiple times this day phase (#77, #140, #164, #424) and none of those times seemed genuine.

In this post #164 he says "if I was scum, I would be so annoyed by this statement lol". That's a scum slip. He's obviously annoyed right now. Town wouldn't feel the need to say "if I was scum".

He puts Mikal and Magic in his scum pile here #265 and here #280 but does not vote them.

There's also this one #321. This is one only I would know about. I am cesium, the element used in atomic clocks. I soft claimed in my first post. The way he said "indeed" sounds like he's setting up for a cesium claim. I asked him to character claim at the same time and he refused. There's no good reason to refuse, we are the leading wagons with less than 24 hrs left in the DP, and characters do not seem to connect to roles closely.

Kohai wrote:

Bullish wrote:

Mikal wants to lynch me, and since you hate him you should go against him by voting mago

I really dislike this post

Playing mafia isn't just about scum hunting, it's also sometimes about being a politician.

Mikal wants to lynch me, and since you hate him you should go against him by voting mago

It's me or mago, vote mag pls I see you have scum read him

Mikal stop pushing me you know you're wrong just like in the amber game

Banana I will tell u anything u want, pls vote mago

Mikal wrote:

Lowkey. Ogi reading thoth as town.

Just messaged me on discord asking who connor was. As scum its likely someone would know that

just keep that to yourself bruh

"I just don’t care about the Town" #372

-Mago

lynch this mf

I'm the only one between us two who cares about the town.

scum response detected!

You and me, character claim at the same time

Me and mago thunderdome lets goooooo

Mag1cman wrote:

I don’t care for either wagon and I think the mafia is just letting us go there

Both are low intensity wagons, no one's even asked either for a claim yet. But there's been no serious push anywhere else either. That's a null conclusion.

My gut scum read on mago has not subsided. I might go for a push tomorrow.

Some of my posts I made before I completely caught up. My read on Rex has shifted back and forth, I'm currently null on him.

RexFavilla wrote:

Summing it up I do not see much consistent thought in their positions. It really feels like they have intention to kill with little consideration or logic reflecting an intention tell and their purported reads just feel fake to me.

This is basically how I see DP1. Bullshit a bunch then pick someone to kill. Unless scum egregiously fucks up (rare) scumhunting is just performative and ineffective because the information asymmetry is at its highest - it's 99% wifom. DP1 I lynch almost purely on intuition and just shitstir, then I actually start to analyze once we have a flip to work with. The flip is like the loose thread that let's you unravel the game. Until I have it generating activity and reactions is a better use of my time than generating bullshit wifom analysis of largely inscrutable behavior.

I actually agree with this but have a different take on it. Yes DP1s are marginal at best. But it's important to 1) generate associations, and 2) eek out as much as margin as you can because DP1 actions snowball into later DPs such that even a minor advantage could be very consequential down the line. So yes it's a bunch of bullshit back and forth but it's important bullshit.

Magoroth wrote:

Bullish wrote:

I would not be opposed to a mass character claim.

what would this achieve?

This is classic mafia theory, I've typed this out before but it looks like google did not index it.

mass char claim makes sense if 2 of the 3 are true:

1. chars are not closely linked to roles
2. char pool is limited, so CCs are possible
3. there is a clear theme split

In our case 1 is true, 2 and 3 are half true. So I'm not opposed to a mass char claim, but I won't advocate for it very hard either.

I agree with theory that activated IC should only pop when they are about to be lynched, or could be in a position to lead town. In the first scenario they can generate associations on a wagon without being actually lynched, which is very useful. In Kohai's case I understand his reasoning to pop IC so soon. It's still suboptimal but I understand his reasoning.

In any case I think everyone agrees to take Kohai and Thoth off the table for today.