If I die are you lynching casey?
If I die are you lynching casey?
Yeah and I explained fucking why in my first post
You don't strike me as the type of person who goes "akschoully ☝️🤓 that's not true 100% of the time" every time someone makes a claim without prefacing it with "in general", so the fact you're still harping on this is scummy asf. I made it clear in my first post on casey #146 the exact reasons why I buy that claim. I'm not gonna say "pwobabababwy" every time I mention casey.
yeah but if you vote mikal I only need to convince 2 people instead of 3
I've already demonstrated at least 3 separate times why the "too many investigatives" read is false. There's no reason to disbelieve the dreamer claim on this front.
I've already explained multiple times that dreamer is unnecessarily risky fake claim, especially as the first outed result of the day, because scum wouldn't know if they have been visited.
There's no reason to disbelieve the dreamer claim. Confirming results nets us zero probabilistic advantage next DP. Thus no reason to lynch probable town to confirm results
Mikal wrote:
Except as scum if you lynch her and she flips town, you are in the poe with confirmed results. Town should want to lynch her so they can consolidate night actions based on the flip results. This is exactly what I mean by tmi.
This is so mega wrong. We are ALREADY lynching within the PoE, TODAY. Why would I lynch in the POE today, when I can instead just get a mislynch and lynch in the POE tomorrow?
If she flips town, we're at 9 players tomorow, now we got one pool of 2-1, which is 1/3 scum, the other with 4-2, which is ALSO 1/3 SCUM, we gain nothing except a mislynch.
It's not whining I'm just pointing out scum/town motivations of today's happening.
I could have agreed with mikal and voted you at anypoint that his vote was also on you. But I didn't, instead I put myself on the chopping block to save you and 1v1 mikal.
If I was scum, this makes 0 sense. There's a 50% chance I die and and clear 3 other people. If I mikal dies and flips town, I'm STILL on the chopping block cause of the dreamer POE, and we lose our #1 advocate for lynching the dreamer.
save me waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa casey's about to suicide herself on to mikal when I flip town
caseyyyyyy why are you doing this to yourself. What version of scum me puts myself on the chopping block when I can just go along with mikal's plan and lynch you? I'm gonna be making the exact same arguments next DP except with a dead dreamer.
I haven't rolled scum in so long, I may have forgotten how to play scum
Helz wrote:
Can you explain your reads more clearly? Its D2 and I still have rather limited understanding of what your views are.
Thoth, casey, and Rex lean town. Unfortunate to say this but all three are more for mechanic reasons than for behavioural reasons.
Lunatic seems scummy for his character justification. However, behaviourally he's town, and associativity with casey, he's town whether casey is town or scum. This is why I deprioritize him in the dreamer results. If mikal flips town I would not know how to proceed.
Mikal is scummy. Seems like he's lining up a triple mislynch with casey --> me --> lunatic. His "TMI" read on me is total bullshit, as I've explained multiple times already. We both know what kind of games Pie likes. We've linked to one of his past games where he has 3 investigatives in a 9 player game. My last game on DART also has 3 investigatives and 9 players. It's completely reasonable for me and anyone else to expect that there are 3 (or more!) investigatives in this game. His push on casey is laughable, it's wrong to begin with AND it doesn't solve shit.
The only thing that tempers my read on him is that he's always like this. He's a huge gambit player, so as town he has this tendency to get some dumb ass conspiracy level gambit into his head and tunnel this shit of that conspiracy. This is what happened in the Amber game when he thought I was disguiser. The main difference here is that, the practical application of his theory is much more detrimental to town this game than that game.
The fact that whiteflame is buying mikal's shit ass theories is sus as hell. We also don't have a coherent explanation for why rex saw him visit Shining.
Shining, banana, and magic are null.
Vote mikal I beg of you
idk what your thoughts are, I just need you to hop on and do one thing for me, vote mikal
Vote mikal, if I flip town he's going to be tunneling you tomorrow, you got no reason to vote me
Lynch mikal bro trust
Mikal's role lines up exactly with the mind controller role from that game:
Mharman - You are Nikita Dragovich. You are a ruthless Soviet officer who stays in the shadows, manipulating global events during the Cold War. In the game, you are seen using mind control—specifically the “numbers program”—to Mason into a sleeper agent, aiming to weaponize his mind for your own goals. While people may think they’re in control, Dragovich is always one step ahead, pulling the strings from behind the scenes. Thus, you are the Mind Controller/Ninja. Each night, you may choose to control someone's action. You will learn their role, and be able to choose a new target. Alternatively, you may choose to be immune from Tracker/Watcher like roles. You win with the Mafia.
Just lynch him bruh
Anyone still stuck on "3 investigatives is too much" is being obstinate. Look at this game casey linked: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12646-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-endgame
Another pie game. 9 players instead of 13. THREE investigatives:
Bullish - You are Grigori Weaver. You were sent behind enemy lines, deep into the Soviet Union, with one objective: infiltrate Dragovich’s launch facility at Baikonur and disable the rocket before it could take off. It was a mission tailored to your strengths—stealth, precision, and your knowledge of the USSR. But things went wrong. You were compromised before reaching your target. They tied you to a chair near a waiting Mi-8 helicopter, interrogated you under the open sky like a spectacle. You knew they were making a point—to you and to the men watching from a distance. Through binoculars, Mason and Woods spotted you. And then Kravchenko made contact, coldly offering your life in exchange for their surrender. When Kravchenko drove the blade into your eye, you were presumed dead until Mason and Woods saved you. You completed the mission at hand, but unfortunately Dragovich escaped. Because of this, you are the Undercover Cop. You are protected against kills every night, unless you choose to use your ability to investigate someone's alignment. You win with the Town.
Earth - You are Victor Reznov. You were born in blood and fire—raised in a land torn apart by war, where loyalty to the Motherland was not a choice, but a duty. You trusted Dragovich, Kravchenko, and Steiner. You believed they fought for Russia—for the people. But they betrayed you. Used you as a test subject. Poisoned you with lies and left you to rot in Vorkuta. In that frozen hell, they thought they'd broken you. But they underestimated your will. In Vorkuta, you became more than a prisoner. You became a leader—a spark of rebellion in a place drowned in hopelessness. You inspired men who had nothing left. You gave them purpose. And then you met Mason. Together, you ignited the uprising. You fought your way through concrete and steel, tearing down the walls of your cage. And though you didn’t survive that escape, your mission did. Your death was not the end. You lived on in Mason’s mind. Your voice, your vengeance, your hatred for Dragovich, Kravchenko, and Steiner—they became his after you talked about your history. Through him, your war continued and ended. Thus, you are the 2x Time Traveler. For two nights, you may target someone and ask the host whether that player was visited by or visited anyone on a specific night (this night does not need to be the same night that the action is being submitted on). You win with the Town.
Banana - You are Major Neitsch. You are featured in only one mission, but it was a crucial mission: "WMD." Serving as the Reconnaissance Systems Officer (RSO) aboard the SR-71 Blackbird, you provide critical aerial support to the CIA's Kilo 1 team during their covert operation in the Soviet Union along with Captain Mosely. You guide them to the proper location and track/watch them from space. When a Russian convoy is nearby, you order the team to “Stop And Drop” helping them avoid detection. With your support, the mission was a success, and Jason Hudson got what he needed. As a result, you are the Even Night Tracker/Odd Night Watcher. On even nights, you may target a player and learn who they visited. On odd nights, you may target a player and learn who visited them. You win with the Town.
If anything we should have 4 investigatives this game since we have more players.
Casey_Risk wrote:
Mag1cman wrote:
As for the three investigatives, it's possible to have three because we in a 13 player game.
That being said, the time traveling motion detector and the tracker could clash a little. Possibly, will need to check some past games bc I swear I remember someone made a setup with both.
Again, it was Black Ops Mafia
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12646-call-of-duty-black-ops-mafia-endgame
bro I don't even remember playing that game, and you remember there's a time traveller in it?
Also wow look at that, 3 investigative roles in that game, even though it only has 9 players.
Alright if no one is updating the claim list I will
Claims:
Thoth - Oganesson - Hidden role until dp4 (post 4, dp1)
Kohai - Innocent child (Post 178, dp1)
Bullish - cesium - time traveler
Magoroth - Calcium - strengthener
Helz - ??? - I role block everyone that targets a player neutralizing everything.
Casey - magnesium - dreamer (with a special property)
RexFavilla - technetium - 2x tracker
Lunatic - kryton - compulsive hider
Mikal - cobalt - honestly idk what his role is it's like a redirector role (in a neighbor chat with wf)
Whiteflame - neodymium - lightning rod (vanillarized) (in a neighbor chat with mikal)
Shining - ???
Banana - ???
Mag1cMan - ???
Is lunatic the only who's role is based off of his element's history rather than its properties?
Mikal wrote:
Bro ffs
I swear you dont read
I'm telling u it makes no sense bro
One of you two is scum at least imo
wrong from my perspective, cause I know I'm town and I gave reasoning for why I think casey is town
3 strong roles like that prob dont exist
We know we have a metric bazillion fuck ton of visiting/redirecting roles in this game, this weakens dreamer, motion detector, and tracker, also the tracker is 2x. It also looks like almost everyone has a role so this is not OP.
If casey flips scum, it makes you almost a lock
no
If casey flips town, you are prob scum
no
The fact you are not even considering casey could be scum is weird as shit. It reads tmi. So yes that seems sus
It's not weird as shit, you're the one who always thinks everyone is gambiting for no reason cause you gambit every chance you get. You thought Thoth was softing DP4 IC, most players don't do that.
As town you should be worried about casey. At least a little. Just saying 3 strong roles exist [dont see rex lying] is odd. As scum it makes perfect sense cus you dont want casey to die cus then you are in a 33 with luna and I and you look odd
I am not
Pointing out a scum you would not want her to die. A town you would be looking at the possibility its a fake claim
wrong, a scum me would want towndreamer to die wtf, that's not even a discussion.
Yes its weird as fuck
Mikal wrote:
You really didn't fucking read
I said if casey is scum you are prob town. The fuck are you looking at.
I don't understand, you're the one trying to convince me that casey could be scum, then you scum read me
I'm so done with mikal bruh
-- if casey is lying, I'm scum
-- if casey is telling the truth, I'm scum
-- if I think casey is lying, i'm scum
-- if I think casey is telling the truth, believe it or not, I'm also scum.
Dude if casey dies it's 9 players tomorrow with 3 scum, it's 1/3 anyway. And by saying casey's results are real I'm put into this 1/3 situation IMMEDIATELY without even getting a mislynch on casey. Also I gave you TWO reasons why I accept casey's results and you keep calling it "blindly" without addressing them
Things is I thought about claiming only the motion detector part, but I couldn't come up a justification for that without the time traveling part, so I had to out everything.
whiteflame wrote:
Bullish wrote:
I wanna note that pie technically named my role "Time Traveller", but it's basically retroactive motion detector. There's no justification for the motion detector part.
At least from what I've read about the role, that seems accurate. Do you get to select the night?
Yes. any night
I still don't get how your result implicates me. I get that it can implicate your target, but not how it implicates me this DP.
Implicate as in involve, not incriminate.
If I'm scum couldn't I also try to lead the town to think that the results are fake? possibly even get a mislynch on casey? So you can reason that I'm scum either way. You STILL haven't addressed how casey would know if he was visited.
Damn casey took whiteflame's character.
Also isn't it crazy magnesium is named magnesium despite having nothing to do with magnets
^^^ this above comment literally makes no sense. If Casey was lying, why the fuck would he put me, his scum buddy, in the results? Also completely ignores the part where scum casey would not know if he was visited unless they have a scum watcher/motion detector, thus making his immediate result claim risky.
I wanna note that pie technically named my role "Time Traveller", but it's basically retroactive motion detector. There's no justification for the motion detector part.
I was going for someone who was least likely to have someone visit them, but also not totally inactive. There are 3 ways to catch a lie with this role.
But like I said the idea is to wait for everyone to out, then catch a lying action retroactively, so the NP1 target was probably the least important one.