Cerulean

I don't get why he outed his role.

Because I was top wagon and if nothing changed it seemed like we were going to sleepwalk into lynching me. Why wouldn't I, at that point?

How do you know Ceru is a mislynch?

I... suppose I wouldn't be surprised if someone was TMIing me Town in a situation where it looks like I'm the default lynch in order to look good. Hm.

My question is what kind of monster would include a godfather in a setup where the player count almost guarantees two scum. What good is half a cop?

The last game I played on DART, Call of Duty, had a Godfather with 2 scum total. That was a Pie game, actually, so I could see why he thinks it'd be a reasonable thing to happen in the first place.

I will hard claim because I'm not particularly interested in being Day 1'd.

I am Goran Pazar, the mob boss who hired Barry. Apparently the justification is that I've lost control of hitmen before, so I leave fingerprints on deaths that I'm not responsible for- therefore, I'm a "Gravedigger" who shows up as visiting anyone who dies on the night of their deaths.

Personally, I don't like "Gravedigger" as a role name because it seems too close to the role that takes abilities from dead players, but apparently it's something that's used here.

Tagging Lunatic so he can do a double check on that flavor if he wants and tagging Kohai as a reminder of my vote on them.

Welp, if I was scum I would just sit back and lie low until Ceru is mislynched. Easy peasy.

Is there anyone you think best fits this profile? Anyone you think would be talking more than usual that's seeming to sit back right now?

Woe be to the inactive Cerulean.

Actually, I do want to VTL Kohai for going from this:

You know, I'm having a hard time that Cerulean would gambit like that. It would be a waste of a question, and in addition force a mafioso into the spotlight. Cerulean could be town, but I wonder what Scum!Cerulean would feel about his scum buddy volunteering his head on the chopping block.

To:

48 hours in and I feel like we’ve gotten absolutely nowhere. I’ll start with a soft my character is male.

VTL Cerulean

Not a fan of this but if we have to lynch I’d rather lynch a person who could negatively impact town.

What would you expect some common theme splits are

My spitball is police/detectives (Mafia) vs. not (Town).

I would say that because the show seems to put some focus on the contrast between Barry's acting life and his killer life, that could be the theme split, but my character makes me doubt that.

However I'd like to know why he should be our de facto lynch target based on his soft claim.

I imagine it's something along the lines of "Do you have a better idea?", since I wouldn't be a major loss if mischopped.

It's unlikely but possible that scum used at least one of their questions on a SOP-claim role to set that up.

More to the point, you'd almost need both questions to get a reliable claim, since you need a character that fits it as well.

Although I suppose there are several characters who could fit a Miller-like role on this particular theme, aren't there? Even the main character, perhaps.

Banned? As in banned in the site's rules? Do they not do themed games on there?

Most flavored games on MU restrict talking about the flavor. I don't actually know why, since they typically don't see theme splits.

Theming/flavor there is more of a coat of paint that you're not supposed to talk about than an integral part of the games like here.

Mafia should be mechanics and behavior and leaning too far either way (mountainous or games that completely turn on mechanics) feels like taking things in the wrong direction, in my opinion.

I think I know why it would get an instant townread, but I'll let Kohai explain their reasoning.

I do think anti-claim is a good middle ground in that it means claiming is still allowed, but it becomes more of a last resort than an immediate "I have one vote, time to spill everything" option. Making claiming risky allows it to take a bit more of a backseat to behavioral analysis without completely disregarding it.

This is honestly my biggest gripe with our meta. Character claims are almost always banned on sites like MU and MS. On this site we claim even when we don’t need to and most games the solving is done through analyzing character claims

It's a difficult meta to change. Anticlaim is a decent way of forcing people to work around it, in my experience- I'm partial to the Unassigned Anti-Flavor Factional Roleblock. Pretty severe but not outright lethal.

Doesnt make any sense. We can still talk about characters that may and may not exist and acknowledge that mafia have a fake claim.

Sure. I suppose I just take issue with framing it as being something "almost guaranteed" and tipping off scum as to which characters would be most likely to be believed if they were to be claimed. Although I grant that this show seems to be well-known enough that a quick Google is enough to reach that point regardless.

Mild disagree. If an obvious character were left out, how would scum know which one? Unless they had more information to work off than the answers to their questions, they would most likely ask about a character that is in the game. Sheer probability.

Meta might have changed here, I suppose, but last I was aware, the games don't tend to go more than a couple Day phases without several claims both role and character-wise. That would narrow down a possible list.

So he elaborates as kinda like a Miller but useful.

For clarity's sake, that was sarcasm, because my elaboration was not particularly helpful in my eyes.

It's kind of like a Miller, but not. And also worse. This elaboration is sure to be Useful.

Think it's a bit funny to TR solely off that, but I suppose it is early.

Anyway, VTL Pie- miss me?

Not immediately, at least. Give scum some time to waste their questions first.

My hot take of the hour is that you might not want to publicize a list of characters that are "almost guaranteed" to be in the game because there's a reasonable chance that at least one "obvious" character is going to not be included in order to create claim space.

At least, that would be my guess. Seems a likely outcome of allowing questions rather than giving fake claims to scum outright.

Never heard of this show before, so I suppose I'll have to check it out.

Hm hm hm, going to be interesting to navigate around a cast I mostly don't know.

In any case, I'm hard-claiming a negative utility role that affects investigations. I can elaborate further if necessary, but would rather hold back on specifics for now.

/in, if you still want a 9th.

There was some remarkable persuasion happening in my Discord DMs.