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So, what will happen to Trump the serial self-admitted 'grab em by the pussy' rapist and potential child rapist?


Nothing?


Why?


It doesn't make sense for staunch Christians to now, at this stage, defend Trump. It's time to disassociate and throw him in a prison for all the rapes.


I also think it's important for Bibi of Israel to officially declare that he's disgusted with Trump... However, a bigger issue is at hand. Epstein worked closely with IDF and probably also Mossad. Big apologies must be made.

GreatfulGoy

Yeah I was worried about Islam for a long time actually as a Leftist thinking person.


It switched in my brain a while ago yet I still denied that only the conservative side is saving Europe from Islamification (literally it's only them not the left at all). At first I said 'lesser evil' every time I settled for supporting the Left. I eventually realised the hugest thing Islam has that the Europeans lack; firm pro-natalist religion. This has led them to win on so many fronts. The feminists and lgbtq are voting to enable, I mean fully enable, Islamic takeover of the West... I have no idea what I am even witnessing happen anymore. I see filthy demons on both sides btw, Trump is a vile demonic man imho and I never want to be an American anymore seeing his depravity and that a guy who bragged about molesting women and really has raped potentially children too, as President of US. He disgusts me to the core of my being just like Radical Islam does. In many ways I find Trump has parallels to how corrupt Islamic Sheikhs and Sultans operate, especially his attitude to alcohol, using his sons to do business and political deals abroad so on and so forth (I know Biden did that part too). Trump seems to want to start a monarchy in US with his youngest Son as the heir to this empire.


I don't really know what's going to happen anymore. I'm just focused on job irl, getting wife, having kids and raising them strongly Catholic. I genuinely intend to remove consent for them to have whatever 'religious study' bullshit class occurs in their school(s) telling them all religions are equally valid and other Satanic nonsense.

GreatfulGoy

I agree with you on America's Christianity overall. I am a pro theocracy guy and my issue with Islam is actually pretty much solely that it truly is the wrong religion in all ways and never fit non Arab cultures properly... Ever. Actually I noticed this and told someone the other day. For Arabs specifically, as an ethnoreligion, Islam did somehow work for them. They somehow ethnically suited polygamy, suited that type of patriarchy, suited the guerilla warfare stuff and suited genuinely undemocratic rule.


This is proven by the fact that today the only fully Islamic nations you'd want to live in are either the secularised ones or the Arab ones (UAE, Qatar, Saudi etc). In contrast, you maybe will say you'd want to live in Pakistan as it's a lot easier to naturalise to and maybe is truer to the Qur'an than the Arab nations are but look at its state economically, technologically and in basically all departments that matter. The reason Islam only has worked fantastically well for Arabs is that I genuinely believe that Arabs suit Islam on some ethnic level that isn't translated into other ethnos, not even a tiny bit. It consistently works terribly for others but decently for Arabs. Arab Christianity whether Maronite Catholic or Assyrian COE etc, is very Islam-like in how it presents (they have far less focus on statues and instrumental music, far more on oral singing, verses, the cross rather than the Jesus statue etc.


It is also obvious that Islam suited staying as an Arab ethnoreligion because it only apparently can be fully understood in fluent old Arabic and all translations apparently 'corrupt its meaning' (if they do, why didn't their Allah think of that?)


Polygamy in particular seems to somehow work healthily for Arabs. I am not saying I support it for them, that would be excommunicable. I am saying I can see for them it is more ethnically natural. The women feel less envy within it, the men heavily crave it and the left over incels don't seem to care about the disparity.


In contrast, almost all non-Arab Islamified ethnicities have ended up needing to use brutality and other means to force the polygamy acceptance onto the women and also they tend to even resort to underage marriages way way more. This is in stark contrast to the Arab cultures that shifted to a strict 18 age of marriage. Arabs understood that Islam was meant to be adjusted over time because it was to them an ethnoreligion, not the immovable construct that other ethnicities are perceiving it as.


Yes, I am heavily generalising ethnicities here and yes technically Hamas and Hezbollah are Arab. I didn't say it's at all peaceful for them at all times. I am saying I strongly believe it's an innate ethnoreligion to them that fit them in a way it has never fitted others.

GreatfulGoy
You can't lecture me about "valid clergy" when you are in a church that thinks muslims can be saved.

You're already mortally sinning by saying all Muslims can't be saved.


First of all, to qualify as rejecting Jesus is complex if you're Muslim and were abused/coerced into Islam your entire life with even straight up blackmail of beating and/or death on the table if you apostated. There is no possible way that God is going to judge that identical to a Muslim from a more liberal Islamic family in a Christian Western cultured nation.


This is a first and very important thing to get into your brain. The Catholic Church actually taught that but what's ended up being interpreted is that the Muslims you know best and closest to you that you actually could have converted to Christianity, can be easily saved anyway. That may be problematic, not sure how to take it. The biggest selling point of this is that they're monotheistic, they claim that the deity they worship is the same of the Jews (which means they're at least trying hard to worship the Father) and they are holding tothat Yeshua/Jesus was a completely valid prophet of that deity.


The problem is that of course this doesn't mean the same thing as worshipping Jesus as Lord and Saviour. It also actively has scripture saying bad things and 'shirk' in Islam means that Christian Trinity is a huge Hell/Jahannam-guaranteeing Sin to them...


This however doesn't change the fact that invincible ignorance exists and can exist even for those that came across Christianity. We do not know how God is running the judgement system of what qualifies as invincible ignorance and what counts as actively knowing Yeshua and then rejecting him.


This leads us to realise that it was a correct adjustement to make that the old claim that they knew for sure there was no salvation outside the Catholic Church (let alone outside the Christian religion) had to be adjusted. There's no way an all loving God is going to literally reject all non believers in the specific Jesus in and of itself. He has to weigh in how active and knowing that rejection of Jesus was. This is a 100% correct adaptation of text.


I will also let you know that there's no possible way you're telling me that Lutheran cultures you admire most,the Nordic, hold that Muslims all go to Hell. That is false. That's a hyper protestant idea in fact to say they all go there.

GreatfulGoy

ultimately you either go properly ND/Baptist or you go Catholic.


Orthodox is valid only when your nation basically rigs it that if you went Cath you can't marry an Ortho and your nearest Cath church is 4 towns away and just not worth it.


In such scenario God will forgive you not having a true seal-guaranteed confessional process. You can use the seal-not-guaranteed confessional for most sins and any too risky/taboo God will forgive because in that nation you prioritised assimilation to their Christianity and tried your best.


At least they try their best to be true Christians (and Russia's actually is the single worst out of the EO at this so idk why you chose them, furthermore if you're anti-Islam to that degree, you shoul dbe aware that Russia is the only EO nation that has literally harsh enforced blasphemy laws that it applies to thos ethat speak against Islam just as harshly as to those that speak against Christianity (yes, the religions, not the people alone it actually probably goes less harsh on racism than anti theism).


You are Lutheran, big deal. You think Nordic model can be anything by heavily secularised and agnostic/atheistic to the hilt, big deal. The actual Lutheran OG cultures have proven exactly what Lutheranism leads to, you're trying to compensate by making it as Catholic-Mass as possible without being Catholic and you're only focused on the Mass, ignoring the works and actual serving of God that matter far more than some damn bread on your tongue. Even Catholics who are very serious, know that works matter a lot. That is actually why you must not take Eucharist if your works were too terrible and you haven't yet been absolved as per Catholic doctrine.


I don't dislike Confessional Lutheranism, it's better than the stuff the generic Lutheranism does. What you will realise in the debate is that Luther would not at all give a damn about them and that modern Baptists are actually a lot closer to Luther's approach, you just have it wrong. Modern Baptists who are not heavy on the added solas (PotS etc) push the angle Luther did more strong than even confessional Lutherans do. They actually live out the Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura approach significantly more because to them that bread is just another physical works-like or pagan-like concept they deny outright as they're very literalist about that stuff. They're also wither happy clappy liberal types (I don't dislike their love and joy for God and music unlike a hard trad cath but I do think they are barely trying to submit to God) or they're the ultra abstinence (even from alcohol etc) types that believe in some rigid sort of application of rules that Paul actually preached against.


The reality is that the only reason Confessional Lutherans are good Christians potentially, is that they can end up mimicking Catholic approach enough that they probably do end up being decent Christians. That's the cold hard truth.


Pope Leo is starting now to go the Pope Francis route a little too much. He's said Anglicans and Catholics are "are already one". This double speak politically correct stuff is not my style but my style likely would cause major upheaval. The reality is that you can keep pushing what you want.


You either are an ND and your denomination basically is just a means to an end to have a community and take the bread/wine if that means a lot to you or you're one of the OG churches that have apostolic succession and proper eucharistic approach (orthodox do have proper eucharistic approach and do have an arguably valid apostolic succession).


You already conceded bit by bit every single thing I opposed you on earlier. The main disagreement you and I have is about the Catholic Church and its approach. That will be the hugest clash in the debate.


You believe a Catholic that's quietly slightly heretical is immediately to be excommed and thus should opt for Lutheranism (I predict). Whereas I believe that a Lutheran who wants confession to a Priest and the other stuff should be Catholic (your Priests are basically just Pastors btw, cosplaying as valid clergy I am not saying this to be cruel but you need to realise the actual way the Catholic Church sees your Clergy to realise the issue with confessing to that 'Priest'). You have every right to be a Lutheran and a Christian. You can be one that stamps your foot down, screams to the wind about how great Lutheranism is and all of this. You will find over time that you only can justify Lutheranism when it more and more mimics Catholicism. So the reality is, what I was saying this paragraph's start is that you see a Catholic who slightly heresies and leans Lutheran on some things (like you know Caths these days often are to some degree in Europe at least), or you can decide it's that huge of an issue and stay Lutheran.


Just remember, your Lutheran priest's 'seal of confession' is about as secure as a chat with anyone else at basically any time. It's not even close to doctor nor lawyer level confidentiality. A Catholic Priest's is. That's a huge difference already with the level of trust you can have. Also realise that because it's entirely optional to Lutherans as opposed to 'maybe optional in a technical way but you definitely are supposed to do it' as modern Catholicism sees it, that your Lutheran Priest is going to be annoyed if you go too often (which probably means going more than twice in 4 months). In contrast, a Catholic Priest would begin to get annoyed if you consistently went let's say every week or 2 weeks again and again especially for the same sins. The Priest wouldn't be annoyed at your neediness to have it alone, just at maybe needing to make time for it or in that scenario that you seem unrepentant and are treating it like a 'soothing session' and taking advantage of pastoral care duties vs truly submitting and serving the Lord.


You can do what you want. You can keep believing what you want. I also am pretty sure it's a lot easier to become a Lutheran Priest than a Catholic Priest. LGBTQ (maybe not T but LGB openly) and female Lutheran Priests already operate in Scandinavia and some parts of Germany. It's a matter of time before you will see that happen to your American Lutheranism, confessional or not.


GreatfulGoy

I think Sidewalker basically said we should not at all run things how the religions tells us to.


This reminds me of what many who agree with me about Islam end up backfiring on Christianity by saying.


They dislike Islam for pushing Sharia Law. However, the bigger problem with Islam is how evil and wrong it is. A Christian wanting a Christian Theocracy makes a lot more sense than a Christian who'd genuinely side completely with those trying to destroy Christianity and its values, just to flex 'I care for some vulnerable when it suits me.'

GreatfulGoy

  1. Brian Holdsworth
  2. Capitalism is Liberal, Not Conservative

  3. this video strongly exposes what I noticed even as a leftist and now believe far more so as a Christian Conservative thinker.
  4. what has actually happened is that the Conservative Christian positions has been sysematically eradicated from all Western politics.
  5. the Left tries to emulate its organisational approach and strict way of ensuring the peasants get treated decently
  6. the Right tries to emulate its 'values' when it suits and does help maintain a Christian imagery and 'vibe'
  7. but neither side whatsoever is Christian at the core
  8. originally the Right was firmly Catholic and the Left had a less Catholic vibe to them (more old Protestant but were French Catholics)


GreatfulGoy

I support trans people getting therapy to treat their delusion and disorder.


Unfortunately, such therapy is outlawed where I live as far as I know. Your best bet is specifically sending them to a Christian-based counselling service that will at least avoid directly affirming the trans identity as fast.