Debby wrote:
God sacrificed his only begotten son Jesus so that whoever believed I him would have eternal life.
Christians run from noticing Jesus negate the just reward that Yahweh gave for his less just messianic concept.
Christians do not care about their moral soul and will adore evil.
Have you noted that they inset Jesus' name in the First Commandment?
Do you not want your just reward?
Will you accept an unjust Jesus deal?
Tradesecret wrote:
Thanks for your response Debby.
I see faith as a gift of salvation. If it is a condition, then it is a form of works. Hence, why we're told that we are saved by grace through faith - and this is a gift, not works, so as not to be able to boast. Ephesians.
On Grace.
Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?
Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ
Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.
The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.
If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?
Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?
Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?
I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.
Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.
What is your choice of those two options?
Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.
I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.
What do you think is the truth?
Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?
Debby wrote:
The New Testament was written in Greek.
Have you researched the Greek/Jewish Chrestianity, that Christianity plagiarized into Christianity?
Debby wrote:
Both Islam and Christianity teach humans to care for the sick and poor. Both religions have over 2 billion followers each. People willing to help erase human suffering.
Both grew the religions with inquisitions and jihads. IOWs. Land Grabs.
Have you noted that when it comes to moral discussions, Christians run for the hills.
That is all they can do, as they cannot justify a God who puts the good of the few above the good of the many.
Yahweh will always remain an immoral genocidal prick of a God.
The Trinity is not meant to be dissected so much as entered into. It is a mystery that invites worship more than explanation.
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What would a God need worship for?
The Christians are clear in that obedience is what God wants.
I think it is stupid to think that an omni everything God would want anything.
Better to believe the Bible when it says that God is unknowable, unfathomable and works in mysterious ways.
Anything we say of the supernatural God idiocy is a lie.
Without the good and evil knowledge of reproduction, what could be said of our species?
Nothing. We would not exist.
Satan is a female and the heroin of Eden.
Few like to acknowledge that the root of all evil in our species are women.
Our evolution is based on men fighting over women.
Millions have seen Michelangelo's Expulsion painting but few acknowledge Satan femininity.
If people cannot see evil, how in hell will they recognize good.
Ya. You have many strange beliefs.
It comes from stupid supernatural beliefs.
So why did God create them evil instead of good?
Are all souls not created equal?
Why should some be genocided and others not?
As to God sending Jesus to die, your prick of a God should have died. Not his son.
He screwed up creation. Not Jesus.
Have you read the parts of the bible where Jesus says to not call him Lord?
Do you recall, why he said that? If you do, why would you go against his wish to be called Lord?
Further, just so I know which Jesus archetype you are talking about, show where your Jesus was anointed to Christ position.
The Jesus I read does not claim to be Christ. He comes more from the Chrestian religion Christianity plagiarized hell out of.
That is a joke. There is no such thing as a real hell. It would make God look like a loser.
""Jesus, being God, is the only one who has the interpretation of the law that is fully correct. ""
When asked if he was good, Jesus answered, that only God was good.
Strange that Christians can think that a genocidal mass murderer, who can cure as easily as kill, yet always chooses to kill, is somehow a good God.
You don't think that, do you?
Willingly? Where did you get such a notion? My Bible says that Jesus was chosen. He did not get the option of willingly choosing to die in Yahweh's stead. Please quote what you are claiming.
I say in his stead because, Yahweh, not Jesus, deserved to die for creation and any screw ups. Right?
Your God is said to be immortal. My dictionary says that that means God cannot die, regardless of if you slice and dice God into a Trinity or Quartet.
To believe in your Jesus, you have to believe he fathered himself with himself after doing some time travelling.
Do you really want a supernatural savior that much? Especially given of how immoral the messianic concept is?
melcharaz
Hey. The Bible says there are no Christians, not I.
I am going by it's standards and not mine.
A good religion would grow by decent arguments and not by inquisitions and jihads.
We can sin both physically and mentally.
If I miss the mark in a math question, it is a sin.
Consistent???
Old testament/new testament bellies any consistency.
Think again for the first time.
If Jesus is God, who was he sacrificing his life to?
Where is it written that God can die?
Where is it written that Jesus was anointed to Christ?
It never happened.
If we describe God as our highest ideal, then believer or not, we all have a God.
We all hold something higher than ourselves.
Christians are not able to prove that they are believers or people of faith.
The Bible is clear that there are no Christians.
The Bible says that anyone with even a small bit of faith or belief could do all that Jesus did and more.
Have you noted that by that standard, there are no real Christians with faith?
"Sin: The Path to Excellence"
Sin has long been associated with moral failure, but what if we reframe it? I see sin as something essential to human growth—a necessary part of striving for excellence.
At its core, sin simply means “missing the mark.” It’s not about wickedness but about falling short of an ideal. Christianity and even Gnostic traditions acknowledge this idea in different ways. The concept of felix culpa—the “happy fault”—suggests that sin is necessary for God’s plan. Whether or not one believes in the supernatural, the wisdom of this idea is clear: missing the mark is a natural part of aiming for something greater.
To evolve, both as individuals and as a species, we must take risks and inevitably fall short. This process—of setting goals, failing, and trying again—is what drives progress. Every moment of “sin” is evidence that we’re pushing ourselves beyond our comfort zones and striving toward our best possible selves. This is what we do, consciously or unconsciously, at every point in our lives.
Even competition, often seen as divisive, is tied to this idea. Competition highlights our shortcomings, creating a contrast between where we are and where we want to be. It creates leaders, innovators, and excellence by encouraging us to improve. Of course, competition produces losers, and those losses can feel like failures or even evoke the idea of "evil." But in truth, every loss is an opportunity—a moment to learn, adapt, and grow stronger.
This is why I celebrate sin—not as a call to moral failure but as an embrace of imperfection and growth. Without sin, without missing the mark, we would have no benchmarks for greatness. There would be no leaders to inspire us, no innovators to challenge us, and no progress to drive humanity forward.
I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I see wisdom in the way ancient scribes wove this idea into their teachings. Sin, in its truest sense, is not something to avoid but something to engage with thoughtfully. It is the evidence of our striving, our courage to try, and our commitment to evolve.
So, I invite you: aim high. Take your shot. Miss the mark. Become a sinner in the best way possible. In doing so, you’ll not only create a better version of yourself but also contribute to the collective excellence of humanity.
