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Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:42 AM (post #77)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/19/2026 at 10:39 AM (post #75)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #74)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #68)
When does it deactivate, if at all

DP3, which worst case would be LYLO assuming 7-2.

DP2 is 5-2 and DP3 is 3-2.

Since there's no guarantee it is disabled in MyLo then I do think that a PL may be warranted here. Sorry pie. Please don't hate me and Mikal.

???

Unless there’s a Vig that misfires, it’s practically guaranteed my power deactivates. I just did the math for you above


There's a lot of assumptions. It assumes:

1) We have a vig

2) The vig shoots correctly

3) We lynch correctly.


If one of those assumptions fail then this could be bad

Kohai


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/19/2026 at 11:38 AM (post #74)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/19/2026 at 10:09 AM (post #68)
When does it deactivate, if at all

DP3, which worst case would be LYLO assuming 7-2.

DP2 is 5-2 and DP3 is 3-2.


Since there's no guarantee it is disabled in MyLo then I do think that a PL may be warranted here. Sorry pie. Please don't hate me and Mikal.

Kohai

I’d rather not PL someone who is hated. But if there’s a chance that it is day specific disabled instead of MyLo disabled then that is really bad for town

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/18/2026 at 11:41 PM (post #51)
Shavua tov.

Shavua tov! Hope your Shabbat was good.

It was very nice. I went to a nice young adult shabbat dinner Friday night and led services this morning at the senior home. It was a much needed shabbat

Kohai


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/18/2026 at 11:11 PM (post #48)

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/18/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #45)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/18/2026 at 6:10 PM (post #36)
Wow this DP is moving slow. This really isn't good news for someone who only had today free.

If you’re going to be inactive, then just full claim, so we don’t go into tomorrow blind

I'm not full claiming, but I'm willing to character claim if this is a concern. I won't be completely afk tomorrow but I probably will be Monday.

If you can character claim that'll help us go somewhere

Kohai


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/18/2026 at 10:48 PM (post #45)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/18/2026 at 6:10 PM (post #36)
Wow this DP is moving slow. This really isn't good news for someone who only had today free.

If you’re going to be inactive, then just full claim, so we don’t go into tomorrow blind



+1

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/18/2026 at 10:35 PM (post #43)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/18/2026 at 10:04 PM (post #41)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/18/2026 at 8:35 PM (post #39)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/18/2026 at 4:54 PM (post #30)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/18/2026 at 3:41 PM (post #29)
Pie town

Is it cause I’m a Jew?

@Kohai Why?

@Pie Yes.

Quick SOP claim. Mod psych: I really don't think that skep gives wolves a hated modifier.

The quick SOP claim I can understand. As for the "Hated" modifier, he's either telling the truth and he's town or he's lying and he's scum. Wouldn't say I can dismiss the latter possibility entirely.


Shavua tov.


Fair point.

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/18/2026 at 8:35 PM (post #39)
Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/18/2026 at 4:54 PM (post #30)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/18/2026 at 3:41 PM (post #29)
Pie town

Is it cause I’m a Jew?

@Kohai Why?

@Pie Yes.


Quick SOP claim. Mod psych: I really don't think that skep gives wolves a hated modifier.

Kohai


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/18/2026 at 3:37 PM (post #23)
You caught me. Here's my copied and pasted role PM.

You are Candace Owens' left tit. In a fit of madness and Chardonnay one night, you stood in front of a mirror as flashes of lightning back-lit your empty apartment, and drew AOC's face over your left breast with a permanent marker. AOC's laughing open mouth encompassed your entire areola.

By day, you only hear AOC's muffled taunts and whispers through your bra and blouse, undermining your talking points mid-debate and giving a constant stream of leftist propaganda that steadily erodes your sanity. By night, you stand shirtless in front of your bathroom mirror and have full-blown schizophrenic screaming arguments with Titty AOC. Secretly you yearn to know if the real AOC has a Candace Owens drawn on her right titty -- if you live in her head rent-free as she does in yours -- but deep down you know there's only a perfect pair of B-cup Latina breasts under there. Therefore, you are the Vulnerable Double Voter! By day you may double vote because you are motivated to raise your voice to speak over AOC's menacing whispers in your bra, but if anyone visits you at night and catches you arguing shirtless with your own titty in the mirror, you will have a nervous breakdown and lose your double voting powers. You win with -- well, you really win once you're put on some industrial-grade antipsychotics.


Wait WTF???

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/11/2026 at 12:04 AM (post #50)
Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/11/2026 at 12:02 AM (post #49)
Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/10/2026 at 10:40 PM (post #48)
That being said, if the goal is to allow for deviation, then every host would have to be as clear as possible about what their definitions are and likely have to announce when they start just to ensure everyone is on the same page. That should be the bare minimum expectation.
That’s what I was saying. I thought you were suggesting that we enforce a definition.

There's no way to enforce one without having mods monitoring and intervening in games directly, and unless they're breaking more fundamental site rules, I'd rather not have that.

Agreed. I really don't want to interfere with mafia games - especially ones that are in progress.

Kohai


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/11/2026 at 1:46 PM (post #18)

Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/11/2026 at 12:17 PM (post #17)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/10/2026 at 10:33 PM (post #16)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/10/2026 at 6:47 PM (post #14)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/10/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #13)
I supported the draw when I believed you that your role was unstoppable. It's unusual, but so is two Vigs. Now? Yeah that was definitely MYLO by either definition up for debate here, not that it doesn't pain me to say so.

The vig was only 1 shot. They used it n2 otherwise it would no doubt be MyLo

This is part of the problem I have with your position on this: you're selecting two roles (Doc and Vig) that could have affected the outcome of the game, and ignoring another role (Redirector) that could have (and in this case, would have) affected that very same outcome. I get why Doc and Vig matter when it comes to your view of how MYLO should be defined, I just don't get why manipulative roles don't.

It really boils down to MyLo: Mislynch and lose. If it is possible for town to mislynch and not lose then it isn't MyLo. I think that's where I'm coming from.

But that’s circular logic when it comes to the Popular Townie. Also, in that case it would just be LYLO,


If it wasn’t for the popular townie and the doctor it would be objectively MyLo. This is one of the biggest challenges in designing roles that disable in MyLo is determining when MyLo actually begins.

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/10/2026 at 10:33 PM (post #16)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/10/2026 at 6:47 PM (post #14)

Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/10/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #13)
I supported the draw when I believed you that your role was unstoppable. It's unusual, but so is two Vigs. Now? Yeah that was definitely MYLO by either definition up for debate here, not that it doesn't pain me to say so.

The vig was only 1 shot. They used it n2 otherwise it would no doubt be MyLo

This is part of the problem I have with your position on this: you're selecting two roles (Doc and Vig) that could have affected the outcome of the game, and ignoring another role (Redirector) that could have (and in this case, would have) affected that very same outcome. I get why Doc and Vig matter when it comes to your view of how MYLO should be defined, I just don't get why manipulative roles don't.


It really boils down to MyLo: Mislynch and lose. If it is possible for town to mislynch and not lose then it isn't MyLo. I think that's where I'm coming from.

Kohai


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/10/2026 at 2:27 PM (post #13)
I supported the draw when I believed you that your role was unstoppable. It's unusual, but so is two Vigs. Now? Yeah that was definitely MYLO by either definition up for debate here, not that it doesn't pain me to say so.


The vig was only 1 shot. They used it n2 otherwise it would no doubt be MyLo

Kohai


Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/10/2026 at 12:31 AM (post #3)
My definition does mean that MYLO/LYLO could be misnomers, and I never liked the word lynch to begin with, so two changes in terminology may be overdue.

Regarding the word lynch: I understand why people do not like that word and everyone is free to use whatever word they see best.

That said unlike certain sites that will warn and ban you for saying lynch we will never moderate someone for simply using the word lynch.

Kohai

In a recent game, there was a big debate on when MyLo should officially be called. In summary, there are two competing definitions:

  1. MyLo is the point in the game where if town mislynches during the day phase, then the mafia team is guaranteed to gain parity and meet their win condition during the subsequent night phase via their night kill.
  2. MyLo is the point in the game where if town mislynches during the day phase, then town PRs must stop the night kill in the subsequent night phase or else the mafia team will gain parity and meet their win condition during the subsequent night phase via their night kill.

The crucial distinction between 1 and 2 is that in option 1 town has zero ways to stop the night kill, but in option 2 town will have some ways to stop the night kill.

The definition our community ultimately decides on is crucial for roles like hated and popular that are disabled in MyLo.

Regardless of which two options we go with, the subsequent night phase still needs to be played out - especially if town has a way to stop the night kill.

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/9/2026 at 8:28 PM (post #36)
Not seeing a whole lot of engagement with the issue at hand, at least so far, so we may have to break this out to a separate discussion.

We effectively have two questions:

  1. Should mods have discretion to make the call on whether a game has reached MYLO/LYLO?
  2. Should we establish a site standard for when games reach MYLO/LYLO?

Note that these aren't mutually exclusive. Mods could have limited discretion to make the call within a set of site standards that may be variably limiting.


i think the community needs to come to an agreement on a MyLo standard

Kohai


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/9/2026 at 1:43 PM (post #33)
We could just always have the mod announce MYLO.

I think that’s the best. But then the question must remain on when MyLo actually occurs

Kohai


Originally Posted by Wryly on 7/9/2026 at 12:17 AM (post #6)
Kind of misleading to call it "mislynch and lose" if town might not have mislynched and lost. If we're going to define it by numbers alone, why not rename it to better reflect that definition?

This. 100% this.

Kohai


Originally Posted by Thoth on 7/9/2026 at 12:15 AM (post #3)
You are a retard, but it’s okay because you are our retard.

Aww you're too kind

Kohai


Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 7/9/2026 at 12:15 AM (post #4)
My plan going into MYLO was to find the quickhammer and overturn it immediately. Quickhammer would’ve failed. Just food for thought.


Yeah. I had neglected to clarify that that your role disabled in Mylo / Lylo which would make me bastard for disabling it without it being clearly written in your r ole PM. If you were still alive then the problem would be solved with you just redirecting the lynch to luna.

Kohai

Edit: After discussion on MyLo / LyLo criteria the Mafia team wins. Congratulations Whiteflame and Lunatic.


Mafia Wins


Few mod notes:

1) I'm disappointed with the amount of replacement and lack of activity in this game. I was hoping since you picked your own character you would be more excited to play the game. I was also kinda hoping to see some more roleplay.

2) I realize how culturally illiterate I am. I literally heard of almost none of your selected characters before.

3) In order to make the game I first randed your alignments and then reversed engineered a role that would fit with both your character and the alignemnt. This was much more difficult than I had anticipated. The result was a messy game with far too much kill power.

4) Town MVP: Mikal for nailing both wolves on day 1. Mikal's vig shot was available starting night 2. If he had a shot on night 1 he would have popped whiteflame which could have altered the trajectory of the game.

5) Mafia MVP: Whiteflame. The fake claim was just hilarious.


Role PMs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J7qdy6nqaL9Ev6-vY6DH-A942HBfKdY78SlsMsa5WSs/edit?usp=sharing


Night actions

Wylted: N1 cops Mikal; N2 cops Whiteflame

Mag1cman: No action N1; protects banana n2

Whiteflame: N1 strongarm Mikal; N2 kills pie

Lunatic: N2: Vigs Rex


A word about MyLo/LyLo

Wryly was town popular and their popular status disables in MyLo / LyLo. This raises a major debate: When does MyLo actually begin and erase that status? MyLo is technically defined as the game state where mafia will reach parity with town via their night kill if town mislynches during the day phase. The big red question mark is this: Is MyLo a numbers game or a roles game? Since town had a doctor and could potentially stop the night kill, then mafia could be prevented from meeting their win condition during the night phase. On the flip side, if town has a single doctor or way to prevent the NK then MyLo technically can never be reached and the game could continue until LyLo.

In this case, the doctor was outted so mafia had a clear objective. However, in a world where he did not claim there's a chance that mafia would miss the doctor. Regardless, the night phase would have to be played out. If the doctor did somehow stop the night kill then the game will continue to LyLo and the mafia team would be completely outted for that quick hammer.

I did reach out to a few trusted people on MafiaUniverse and got two different answers on this debate. I think this question is worth debating. Is MyLo if when mislynch may cause wolves to win overnight or when it is a guaranteed loss? This is a hard question to fully reconcile. I can see both sides to the case and believe this is a worthy debate to have.

I do think we need to have a clear community standard on when MyLo actually begins. If MyLo is a purely numbers game, then day 3 was MyLo. However, if the definition of MyLo depended on roles then day 3 was objectively not MyLo.

Discussion is now open. In before everyone calls me a retard.

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:56 PM (post #144)
Originally Posted by Kohai on 7/8/2026 at 11:55 PM (post #143)

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #140)
Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.

I'm working on endgame now. I think this debate is worth having. Having a clear community standard on when MyLo begins will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.

Alright, makes sense. You should probably clarify the outcome publicly.


I think I'm going to declare this a tie. There's a strong case to be made for both sides. Endgame will be up in a minute.

Kohai


Originally Posted by whiteflame on 7/8/2026 at 11:51 PM (post #140)
Anyway, I'll leave this to play out for now. I'll accept whatever Kohai ends up deciding. I didn't realize there was confusion over when MYLO starts, but it'll be good to have this fully clarified, regardless of the outcome.


I'm working on endgame now. I think this debate is worth having. Having a clear community standard on when MyLo begins will prevent stuff like this from happening in the future.

Kohai

Automated Vote Count

This vote count was generated by the mafia vote bot.


Lunatic (4/4): Wryly (p#30), wylted (p#85), Banana (p#99), Mag1cman (p#104)

Wryly (2/4): whiteflame (p#73), Lunatic (p#74)


Not Voting (0): None


With 6 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 18 hours.

⚠️ Lunatic has reached the lynch threshold. Hammer appears to be p#104.

Kohai


Originally Posted by wylted on 7/8/2026 at 11:06 PM (post #92)
Does her role deactivate in MYLO and is this mylo because I would hate to win based on mod error

A popular role will disable in MyLo / LyLo. Consider this confirmation that it isn’t MyLo and that they actually are popular.