I prefer real timing it also. Basically where we are at
Wylted and Lunatic are the guild leaders and town confirmed
Alyssa claimed popular
I claimed vanilla town / becomes ascetic upon being recruited
I prefer real timing it also. Basically where we are at
Wylted and Lunatic are the guild leaders and town confirmed
Alyssa claimed popular
I claimed vanilla town / becomes ascetic upon being recruited
Hey awesome!!
If that’s the case then she just died and it blew up in their face
unvote
I actually still don’t have my degree. Something I want to get but it did give me the valuable experience required to get my current job
But yeah Amazon is a great place to start especially if you don’t have a degree. Work your way up and get valuable experience.
I’m working at an LTL trucking company doing scheduling and customer service. Much better than Amazon and better pay.
For those who know the theme is there a possible scum character this type of justification can be matched to?
Vote Count:
Alyssa (7/9) - Kohai, Pie, Alyssa, Lunatic, Helz, Rex, Wylted
I haven’t been at Phil7 for almost 2 years
To emphasize the last time Mikal hosted a game his setup included a popular mafia
https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/endgames/posts/i/retro-mafia---endgame
their role PM
A landmark in video game history, Space Invaders introduced millions to arcade gaming with waves of descending aliens that players must shoot down. Its simple yet addictive gameplay and iconic imagery made it a cultural phenomenon. The game’s relentless pressure and overwhelming numbers make you a difficult opponent to eliminate, requiring extra votes to take you down.
the question does something similar make sense for mafia
Anyone around to chat?
Thanks fixed
Vote Count:
Alyssa (6/9) - Kohai, Pie, Alyssa, Lunatic, Helz, Rex
Vote Count:
Alyssa (5/9) - Kohai, Pie, Alyssa, Lunatic, Helz
WTF are you doing bro
Ok. Im down to pop their passive. I do not think we should rapidly follow up with a lynch after though. The way I see it if they are scum that knocks out a powerful asset for them (or they lied and they just die for it.) If they are town we just re-evaluate and the ability is kinda not that great to begin with outside of Lylo considerations where it would place them as the kingmaker by default
Agreed 100%. If popular is confirmed I urge everyone to not town lock them for it.
What specifically?
The copy pasta thing you did? I have thoughts but I want to wait til we test popular before getting into them
Alyssa’s progression on Thoth. But that said I’m ok with waiting until popular claim was fully tested
This is one of my concerns on their role claim having a slip in it. I do not know what wild stuff you guys put in your games and could use feedback on if this is normal or not.
I will say extremely wild stuff is the norm around here. Go read some endgames and some of those crazy setups.
Vote Count:
Alyssa (5/9) - Kohai, Pie, Alyssa, Lunatic, Wylted
To be clear if he was actually town and mafia have a tailor then it makes sense for them to tailor Thoth as mafia to throw us off track. That said I think I’m inclined to say the flip was accurate and we hit scum. If we ever flip a death tailor then we can re eval.
I find Alyssa’s second half to be utter BS. My question is wouldn’t it make most sense for both abilities to activate upon being recruited?
I did not have the impression WF took that position but they also spoke with a level of conviction there which did not line up well with their reasoning. Makes me more confident Thoth is not tailored (also of note I feel tailor to be less likely as some communities consider it bastard but I do not quite know the meta here)
I consider it bastard however death tailors have been used in games and are typically not considered bastard here. That said, I do think we should keep the possibility of death tailor in the back of our minds.
Other than that Kohai's immediate push on WF felt a bit opportunistic. I think some amount of attention should be given to Thoth/WF although again- I was actively making them paranoid about spew and for them to overtly distance so flagrantly moments before slipping needs some WIFOM applied.
I'll point out I just played a turbo where mafia got red checked by JOAT and shaded his partner hard before he got lynched. I narrowed the final pool down to two possible candidates and ultiamtely found the last wolf because of how they tried shading their partner at EOD. It was just too obvious
Vote Count:
Alyssa (4/9) - Kohai, Pie, Alyssa, Lunatic
Kohai (1/9) - Wylted
any thoughts on above
Wryly, Casey_Risk, Helz are interesting movements. @Wryly can you explain your vote on Shinning heere and why you waited until then to cast a vote
A few wagon movements
Vote Count
Kohai 3/9 - Mag1cman, ILikePie5, wylted
Thoth 3/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic
Mag1cman 2/9 - Casey_Risk, RexFavilla
Mestari 1/9 - Alyssa
Vote Count
Kohai 3/9 - Mag1cman, ILikePie5, wylted
Thoth 3/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic
Mag1cman 2/9 - Casey_Risk, RexFavilla
Vote Count
Thoth 5/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex
Kohai 3/9 - Mag1cman, ILikePie5, wylted
Alyssa 1/9 - Helz
Thoth 6/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Mag1c
Kohai 2/9 - ILikePie5, wylted
Alyssa 1/9 - Helz
Thoth 6/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Mag1c
Kohai 19 - ILikePie5
Alyssa 1/9 - Helz
Airmax 1/9 - Wylted
Thoth 5/9 - Kohai, Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex
Kohai 19 - ILikePie5
Alyssa 1/9 - Helz
The shinning wagon movements
VOTES
Thoth 5/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted
Shining 3/9 - Kohai, Wryly, Casey
Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5
Vote count
Thoth 5/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted
Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5
Shining 4/9 - Kohai, Wryly, Casey_Risk, Helz
Vote count
Thoth 5/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted
Shining 5/9 - Kohai, Wryly, Casey_Risk, Helz, Thoth
Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5
Shining 6/9 - Kohai, Wryly, Casey_Risk, Helz, Thoth, Magicman
Thoth 5/9 - Mestari, Lunatic, Alyssa, Rex, Wylted
Kohai 1/9 - ILikePie5
So this is definitely some interesting movements especially with how quickly the shinning wagon grew. It also is intereesting how many folks who weren't voting most of teh day suddently voted for shinning
Vader: Not a lot in this ISO. One thing that sticks out to me is he repeatedly has an FOS on Thoth but never votes Thoth, or even votes at all. SOS on Vader for those reasons
ugh we need a better quote function
Few things stick out to me from alyssa's ISO regarding Thoth
Alyssa · Apr 2, 5:31 AM
Tags: @Lunatic
If thoth is scum I am pretty sure we have one guaranteed scum between mestari and alyssa, depending on whether or not you buy a bus from mestari.
One, literally everything is in Tim's range of play.
Two, I'd never glaze him. He doesn't need any bigger of an ego.
Alyssa · Apr 2, 5:39 AM
Tags: @Lunatic
Your vote on thoth here is interesting. Are you thinking that mestari is bussing here?
I think literally anything is within Tim's range of play, bussing included.
Because the main logic here is that someone who knows and has played with mestari on DDO told him he was a fear kill option.
Or just knows Mestari well enough to convey this information to Thoth, but I'll wait for Thoth's explanation here. But yes, you're correct in that if Thoth flips scum then I'm implicated as a potential scum partner.
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Alyssa · Apr 2, 9:19 AM
I'm off to bed because I have a job interview tomorrow.
Definitely town pool is me, Luna and Wylted
Small town read on Mestari
Small suspicion on Thoth
Null on everyone else.
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Alyssa · Apr 2, 12:44 PM
Is there anything important between this Luna/Thoth dick measuring contest or can I go back to being confused by Helz's suspicion of me?
Alyssa · Apr 2, 5:26 PM
Okay back and mostly caught up (barring my half-asleep 5am post earlier).
Even though Helz hasn't shown back up to answer my questions, other's people's interpretations of what Helz said matched my initial interpretation so I might as well address it and if Helz wants to clarify more when he shows back up that's great.
Alyssa is a higher level of my paranoia on this subject. Everyone has posted but me? Interesting that I am on their mind while that’s not the case. Im going to hold off before saying more but I will vote here and eat some popcorn watching what others see on them.
I'm assuming this comment is referencing #380 from me where I say
Given that pretty much everyone has at least poked their head in enough to skim the DP (save Helz), I think we are pretty much treating Luna and Wylted as town confirmed at this point given the lack of CC (scum would be suicidal to CC them anyway).
Ignoring the generalizing of "pretty much everyone" here, I signal out Helz because he's the one person who's largely an unknown. Whether on DDO, DART, or here, I've either played with everyone in the lobby or can go read their games on here to figure out how they play. Sure, Airmax/Whiteflame/Vader/I think Casey as well? had also not posted by the time I made this post. Couldn't care less about them to be completely frank. I want to see stuff from the one person who I have zero information on. So I called him out. It worked and created engagement.
But barring that explanation, pressuring me here is weird and it's where my confusion really comes from. In what world is anything I said AI in either direction? It's not like the stated reason for pressure had anything to do with the rest of the suspicion that was being thrown around regarding me (more on that in a sec). It's just completely out of thin air, slap a vote on it and let it ride. Which is why I wanted clarification on the vote.
Regarding the actual sus being thrown at me, there's a pretty clear person that's being left off the list of people who's familiar with Mestari on a mafia level and a personal level that matches me (which I hinted at in #386, though I didn't spell it out to not provide Thoth with a get-out-of-jail-free card in case he is scum). Mikal (i.e. the person hosting this game) is just as familiar with Mestari as I am, both on a mafia level and a personal level (arguable as to who knows Mestari better per se, but it's a hair that's not worth splitting for this context). All it'd take is one question in Thoth's role pm of "Hey who's this Mestari guy who's blowing up the discord with sex jokes" for some level of understanding to be imparted. So sure, if Thoth flips scum then I could be scum by association, but there are other explanations to this.
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Alyssa · Apr 3, 3:55 AM
Tags: @Helz
Thoth is still on my scum radar for his behavior post 'slip'. He hasn't done much to dissuade that opinion yet. Don't know enough about the claim he presented to weigh in too much on if it makes sense or not, but I'll defer to the opinion of people who've watched the show that it doesn't make sense.
Beyond that we're getting a little speculative given the narrative of the DP has been heavily focused on Thoth/Myself/Inactives. Slight scum tingles from Pie potentially trying to capitalize on an opportunistic push against me, but the rest of his behavior lines up with his typical behavior regardless of affiliation, so I'm open to this being wrong.
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Alyssa · Apr 3, 4:26 AM
Tags: @Wryly
It came off more as a defense of herself than a defense of Thoth.
Why would I defend Thoth? I'm scumreading him. I just don't want to get caught in the crossfire if/when Thoth flips scum.
Alyssa · Apr 3, 6:38 PM
Tags: @Lunatic
I think there's merit to the idea of getting as many PRs active as possible to increase the quality/quantity of information we can get from nights. Short term we'll go into DP2 in a pretty similar position as we are in now, but the benefit will increase over time as more and more PRs get recruited. Hard to say if it maths out to a faster solve than just playing normally and voting when reasonable, and I'm also not sure it's an idea that's incompatible with just playing the game normally anyway (there's certainly enough people that voting today isn't going to significantly reduce the number of PRs in the game assuming we vote a townie).
But, again, happy to also vote today. My ideal target is Thoth. Is that agreeable for you or do you want to go with a different wagon?
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I am not a fan of alyssa''s progression on thoth. I'm also not happy with some of their claims