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Random Thoughts Thread

Mag1cman · 4 months ago

Twas the day the music died

What questions would you like to see on next CoC survey?

Mag1cman · 4 months ago

I’m all for free speech but if someone’s spamming the same topic over and over again, can we get rid of them?

I say this with regards to RemyBrown.

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Mag1cman · 4 months ago

Do vans reduce abortions?

Mag1cman · 4 months ago

Yeah no. It is such a ridiculous evil that needs to banned, and needs to be penalized more harshly than it is.

I can understand the problem of enforcement. But by all accounts, Savant has proven bans will stop some people. And that makes it worth it.

I understand the other factors causing people to want abortions. And some things can be addressed. I think the contraception thing is overstated, but the economics and ignorance are probably the best targets.

As for the idea of abortion being a mercy- who are you to do decide that? Who are you to say, an autistic person would be better off not living? That’s not your right to decide, that’s their right. Suicide is awful, but if one of them is unhappy, they can off themselves later in life. Not a preferred outcome, but better than murdering them in the womb. Meanwhile, if one would’ve been happy, you’re advocating we cut their life short because they *could* suffer. Life doesn’t exist for us to avoid suffering- that’s a childish approach. This is the type of argument people make to rationalize their selfish decisions- there’s nothing ethical about it.

Life exists for us to create good for ourselves and others. And many times, we have to suffer some to accomplish that. There is no mercy in any abortion- it is simply denying someone a chance at life, and a chance at joy.

Birthright Citizenship by tourism birth

Mag1cman · 4 months ago

linate wrote:

There's pros and cons to birth right citizenship. One con is some people are born here and effectively have no home country. Does it make sense for someone born here and lived for 30 years to suddenly be deported to a random foreign country that they know nothing about?

My understanding is that the most straightforward interpretation of the birthright amendment is that birthright citizenship makes most sense

Do you want a more straightforward interpretation of the Second Amendment then? Boy, I would love that! (My point here is that contextual interpretation is best).

Anyway, the idea that these "birthright citizens" know nothing of the country they're being deported to doesn't seem logical. Their parents would be first-generation immigrants who barely understand US culture, and will raise their kids like it. If anything, they're more likely to know more about their parents' country than they do the US, just from being raised that way. And as a near certainty, they will feel greater loyalty to their parents' original country than the US.

For a moderate example, I know quite a few 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants who say "viva la Mexico!" and are quite critical of American culture... while living here instead of the country they say they love more. And then they vote migrant-friendly politicians in, who accelerate the demographic and cultural replacement of the real Americans. They help the more radical ones.

And for an extreme example, you get extraordinarily brainwashed individuals who boldly proclaim the glory of the Mexican invasion because apparently California is rightful Mexican land... even though they didn't have it for anywhere near as long as Spain or the US did. And so they protest, demanding welfare and reparations, and then burn cars and buildings when the administration doesn't give them their way.

The latter should just be instantly deported, or shot if they resist with more than just trying to wriggle free. The former can stay, but the immigration system should be rebuilt to filter those types out for the future. Also, I think we should take a page out of Japan's playbook and deny immigrants voting rights. Preferably the first three generations. Oh, and end the welfare state.