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For those who missed out...
Tonight's results:
Game 1: Mafia victory (Lunatic + Mag1cman)
Game 2: Mafia victory (Banana + Wylted)
Game 3: Mafia victory (Banana + Bullish)
Anyway, next week: Friday night? 9pm? or 10?
Also I have one setup ready for 7 players. Anyone else down to host? I don't wanna hog all the host time
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TOWN WINS!
MVP: Whiteflame
TEAMS
Mafia:
RexFavilla - Jinu, Doomed Roleblocker
You are Jinu, a human who became a demon after he died in shame 400 years ago. For most of the film, you are the main foil to the protagonists, stealing fans (and the Honmoon) away from Huntr/x with your band, the Saja Boys.
You are a Doomed Roleblocker. Once per night, you may choose a player and nullify their night action. However, this will be one night; you are doomed to die at the start of DP2. You win with the Mafia.
Pie - Gwi-Ma, Silencer
You are Gwi-Ma, king of the demons. In your glory days, you feasted on human souls daily. Now, those pesky musicians keep you sealed. There is one power you have over them (specifically, Rumi): Shame. The more Rumi’s shame in her half-demon heritage controls her, the weaker her voice gets.
You are a Silencer. Once per night, you may choose a player. They will be unable to talk in the following day phase; however, they will be allowed to submit a single vote to the mod. The silencing will be announced to the town. You win with the Mafia.
Fake Claim: Bobby, Vanilla
You are Bobby. Huntr/x’s manager, unaware that your trio of clients are demon hunters.
You are a Vanilla. You have no abilities. You win with the Town.
Town:
Kohai - Healer Han, Doctor
You are Healer Han, an eccentric doctor who attempts to heal Rumi’s voice with what can generously be called a placebo. You were unsuccessful, but apparently, you have a good reputation with Zoey.
You are a Doctor. Once per night, you may select a player and make them immune to lethal night actions for that night. You win with the Town.
Whiteflame - Rumi, Cop
You are Rumi, the main character and demon hunter. You have a secret: you’re half demon. However, your secret allows you to establish regular contact with Jinu, and you learn his past as well. Through him, you uncover the truth about the demons, their nature, and their plans- and learn to understand yourself better as well.
You are a Cop. Once per night, you may select a player and learn whether they are town or mafia. You win with the Town.
Thoth - Mira, Vanilla
You are Mira. Huntr/x member, demon hunter, and short-fused friend of Rumi.
You are a Vanilla. You have no abilities. You win with the Town.
Vader - Zoey, Vanilla
You are Zoey. Huntr/x member, demon hunter, and bubbly friend of Rumi.
You are a Vanilla. You have no abilities. You win with the Town.
Lunatic - Celine, Vanilla
You are Celine. Rumi’s adoptive mother, and retired demon hunter from the disbanded Sunlight Sisters.
You are a Vanilla. You have no abilities. You win with the town.
BEHIND THE SETUP
Creation:
I knew it was going to be a 7-player game, and that's tricky. I like to design my setups so that Town can survive as many mislynches as there are mafiosos, and 7 is an odd point in my sequence (5 players, 1 mafioso; 9, 2; 13, 3; 17, 4;...). Normally, when I'm halfway between numbers in a sequence, I include a third party. But here, I didn't like how that leaves only a single mafioso- not as fun, plus the game could end way too quickly. So I looked for other ways to make my setup work.
I had an idea ready, but it was a little complex for my liking. So I turned to a new concept: 5v2, Doomed Mafioso. With this concept, the mafioso had a teammate, and Town could survive as many mislynches as there are mafiosos. Now it wasn't perfect- the game could still be over on day one. But there's a variety of plays Mafia could use to ensure the non-doomed mafioso could survive DP1.
One particular play would be to force a claim out of someone, then have the Doomed Mafioso sac CC. This would result in a 3v1 MYLO the next day, essentially forcing a VTNL for a 2v1 LYLO. To throw Town a bone if this ever happened, I gave them a doctor. It wasn't a whole lot, though.
So I decided I wanted an investigative ability to help Town and to give the doctor something more to protect. I ended up going with a Cop to keep it simple. However, Cops are strong. So I needed something to give Mafia to counter. I felt Godfather wasn't the right choice- for a game balanced on the idea that one mafioso can go the distance; Godfather is a bit much if the cop targets it. In addition, the Godfather has little play in a situation where a townie is targeted by the Cop, and that can be pretty bad in a LYLO/MYLO situation. So I went with a silencer, figuring that it would be good to silence results. Lastly, I slapped a Roleblocker on the Doomed Mafioso to further counter the Cop/Doctor bloc.
Results:
The Cop is incredibly strong in LYLO/MYLO. While there was plenty of counterplay against it NP1, the only way to stop it NP2, would be to kill it at some point, while dealing with the Doctor. When it's just Silencer vs Cop, there's not much the Silencer can do. This ultimately decided the game.
The Silencer itself is strange. While it can stop the reveal of any Cop results, it effectively town confirms the silenced player. Which is a problem the Cop already posed.
Pie argued the setup was townsided, saying that the setup demanded him to be perfect, which was "an insane ask." I apologized to him for the setup; I do think he's right. I think Cop vs Silencer and Roleblocker was the wrong dynamic.
SUMMARY
DP1, the inactivity was an immediate theme. Unlike other games, the inactivity hurt the mafia team. With little chance to secure a mislynch, the mafia team got no value out of that DP; they couldn't even have Rex sac CC someone, or secure any mislynch.
Whiteflame had all the theme knowledge, and Lunatic had some great setup analysis. I do think for someone with as much theme knowledge as Whiteflame, choosing male/female split for a soft wasn't the best choice, as it basically outed Kohai when he inevitably had to explain that he didn't wanna go with male/female. That being said, Kohai didn't help his case, and outed a few more details. To be fair to Kohai, it was a tough situation. Whiteflame's behavioral reads were solid here, as was Thoth's. Thoth did TMI a bit, essentially exposing that he and Lunatic had roles that connected in some way. Lunatic's soft was a good bait, but Thoth kinda hurt him here, as it makes both roles easier for Mafia to decipher. Whiteflame's reads were good; Thoth's were decent.
NP1, Pie saw right through Lunatic's bait and knew he was Vanilla (Thoth's TMI had no impact there). He figured out what Kohai was, and selected Rex to kill him. He also sent Rex to roleblock Whiteflame, and chose to silence Vader. This was the perfect play. If roleblock Kohai + try to kill cop w/ silencer as backup, then he'd have to call the Cop correctly (bc he'd have nothing to stop cop+doc NP2), which was not obvious at the time. Kohai did well to protect Whiteflame, but scum had the answer.
DP2, I have no idea how Pie got away with getting Vader mislynched. He was essentially town confirmed. If someone had just asked if a Silencer could self-target, they would've known that. Inactivity still played a role, and it would've hurt Mafia again if it weren't for the egregious lynch of Vader. Thoth made a bad play, fakeclaiming soldier (especially when he had TMI'd his Vanilla earlier); I think if the game were more active, he would've been mislynched for it. Or if Pie had spotted the DP1 TMI at any point.
Whiteflame was wise to hide that he was roleblocked NP1. He had decent reads; this time Thoth had the better reads.
NP2, Pie took Thoth's bait, allowing him to get away with his play. It was the one mistake of Pie's this game. He should've considered Thoth's DP1 TMI, plus Soldier is even more OP than Cop in this setup. If he had called this correctly, he would've won the game. He was almost perfect. Yes, the setup was townsided, but every mistake is worth noting for the future.
All Whiteflame had to do was Cop either player; it didn't really matter. I would've minmaxed and targeted Pie to give him less wiggle room, but he felt he was minmaxing by targeting Lunatic. Neither option was bad, so it's debatable which was better.
DP3, Pie was pretty much screwed by the Cop result, but he did okay trying to pull a rabbit out of a hat. He could've tried to fight a little harder, but eh. Whiteflame did good shooting down Pie's arguments. Lunatic made the right call, although I'm surprised he thought it was close between the two. He was wise to take the time to think, though.
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Graveyard
Kohai - Healer Han, Doctor, Town
RexFavilla - Jinu, Doomed Roleblocker, Mafia
Lynched last DP:
Vader - Zoey, Vanilla, Town
You are Zoey. Huntr/x member, demon hunter, and bubbly friend of Rumi.
You are a Vanilla. You have no abilities. You win with the Town.
Died in the night:
Thoth - Mira, Vanilla, Town
You are Mira. Huntr/x member, demon hunter, and short-fused friend of Rumi.
You are a Vanilla. You have no abilities. You win with the Town.
Players:
Lunatic has been silenced! He will be able to cast one singular vote, and he must submit it privately to the mod. You will be told when he votes, but not who he voted for.
With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch. The day phase ends Saturday, November 15, at 9:00 pm EST.
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Lynched last DP:
No one
Died in the night:
Kohai - Healer Han, Doctor, Town
You are Healer Han, an eccentric doctor who attempts to heal Rumi’s voice with what can generously be called a placebo. You were unsuccessful, but apparently, you have a good reputation with Zoey.
You are a Doctor. Once per night, you may select a player and make them immune to lethal night actions for that night. You win with the Town.
RexFavilla has collapsed!
RexFavilla - Jinu, Doomed Roleblocker, Mafia
You are Jinu, a human who became a demon after he died in shame 400 years ago. For most of the film, you are the main foil to the protagonists, stealing fans (and the Honmoon) away from Huntr/x with your band, the Saja Boys.
You are a Doomed Roleblocker. Once per night, you may choose a player and nullify their night action. However, this will be one night; you are doomed to die at the start of DP2. You win with the Mafia.
Players:
Vader has been silenced! He will be able to cast one singular vote, and he must submit it privately to the mod. You will be told when he votes, but not who he voted for.
With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. The DP ends Wednesday, November 12 @2pm EST.
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Standard mafia rules apply.
-Don’t edit or delete posts
-Don’t talk or like posts after death
-Don’t mention this game elsewhere on the site
-Don’t derail the game
-Don’t Copy/paste your role PM or fake doing so
-Don’t message other players about this game without mod permission, or while alive
IN ADDENDUM: Set your Discord status to “invisible,” please.
Info: Mafia was given a fake claim.
If you have questions, I will answer hypotheticals in private
With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch. The DP ends Saturday, November 8, @ 2pm EST.
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As the thread title says, the theme will be K-Pop Demon Hunters. The movie was merely ok, but I needed a theme that fits the game concept, so whatever.
Standard mafia rules apply.
-Don’t talk or like posts after death
-Don’t mention this game elsewhere on the site
-Don’t derail the game
-Don’t Copy/paste your role PM or fake doing so
-Don’t message other players about this game without mod permission, or while alive
IN ADDENDUM: Set your Discord status to “invisible,” please.
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Stop being a wimp. Don’t ever vote unless you’re voting to lynch. There has been at least 1 game in like the past 100 where this has happened, and it’s nearly every game and it sickens me.
Who do you people think you are; Mr. No-Balls? When you vote to lynch, you throw down the gauntlet. You don’t pick it up; you don’t unvote. That’s like declaring war and then immediately surrendering. You might as well tell the other king to make you a slave at that point. Seriously. Have some testosterone.
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Hello! While I am adding games to the new archive thread, here is a link to the old one:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4694-the-complete-mafia-archive
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DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE THREAD OWNER (currently Mag1cman). This is an archive of all main-series mafia games in our community's history. Contributors to this thread: F_16_Fighting_Falcon, Hatstand, SeventhProfessor, Smithereens, Socialpinko, Noumena, Buddamoose, Drafterman, Vader, Ragnar, Whiteflame, RationalTheist, and Mag1cman... as well as the community that has been playing and hosting games since its formation.
#1) Mafia Game #1 (Host: Logical-Master) - Mafia victory
NOTE: This was the first mafia game in DDO history, with DP1 beginning on 11/27/2008.
SETUP: This setup consisted of all vanillas and goons. There were no characters or PRs. It was Forum Mafia in its most rudimentary form. This was done for the sake of simplicity, as the site’s playerbase had just been formed.
Mafia:
TheSkeptic
Harlan
Johnicle
Town:
InquireTruth
Brian_eggleston
I-am-a-panda
Manutdredseal46
JBlake
Ournamestoolong
ACTIONS:
DP1: (No thread link)
Town - Lynch Manutdredseal (Result: Innocent)
NP1:
Mafia - Kill JBlake
DP2: (Link: https://web.archive.org/web/20151103162744/http://debate.org/forums/miscellaneous/topic/438/)
Town - Lynch Ournamestoolong (Result: Innocent)
RESOLUTION:
After the mislynch of Ournamestoolong, mafia would kill one townie unopposed in NP2, leaving the game at a 3v3. At that point, the mafia could control the vote, since the town could never accumulate the 4 votes needed to lynch anyone. This would allow the mafia to kill all of the remaining townies in the following night phases. Following the standard procedure for a foregone conclusion, the game ended DP2, in a Mafia victory.
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BASICS
How do I join a game, pl0x?
Whenever you see a "Mafia Sign-Up" thread, simply go in and add your name to the list of players. If you are too late, you can always put your name down as a replacement. I personally wouldn't recommend being a replacement until you have a couple of games under your belt.Once you've gotten your name on the sign-up list (generally this involves copy-pasting the most current version of the sign-up list, adding your name to one of the blank spots and posting the new list) simply wait for the moderator to send you your affiliation and role. This may only take hours or it may take a week, depending on moderator dedication and player interest, so don't sign up for a mafia game if you're going away on holiday or something. Make sure you send a friend request to the moderator or change your settings to allow PM's from users who aren't your friends. Often the inability to send out the relevant information holds up games and nobody wants that! Got your role and affiliation? Grats! You're in your first mafia game.
Role? Affiliation?Day phase? o.O; What does this crap mean?
AFFILIATIONS:
Regardless of all the tricky roles and sub-groups, there are three things you could possibly be…
TOWN: Town is the majority team. Between two thirds and three quarters of players will be ‘Townies'. Town wins when all anti-town players have been killed. Unless it's part of their role, no townies will know who any of the other townies are.
MAFIA: Mafia is the minority team. Between one third and one quarter of players will be ‘Scum'. Mafia wins when they have an unbeatable ratio of living players (50% and over). Mafia makes up for their number disadvantage by knowing who each other are and being able to communicate in a private PM created by the moderator.
THIRD-PARTY: Third-party players are generally lone-wolves and have no team. They have special non-townie/non-scum win conditions, specific to their role.Before I continue onto Roles, I need to explain the two different phases.
Day Phase (DP): During this phase, living players discuss the game in a thread created by the moderator (something like "Lost Mafia, DP6") and try to decide if and who to lynch. This is done by majority vote (Generally something like "VOTE Earth"). If over 50% agree by vote to lynch a player, that player is killed.So, it's the Town trying to work out who the Mafia are and lynch them while the Mafia are trying to get the Town to lynch one of their own, while trying to avoid being lynched themselves. Once a lynch has been decided or the time-limit for the Day Phase is up, the Night Phase begins.
Night Phase (NP): This phase takes place entirely in Private Messages (PMs). In most games, each night phase the Mafia, as well as using their individual roles, can choose one player and attempt to kill them. The town/third-party players send their decision to the moderator, who looks at all the roles used, who used them, who they were used on and works out what happened. Once all the roles have been submitted or the time-limit for the Night Phase is up, the next Day Phase begins…