Mikal

Nah i wouldn't be talking as scum. Just up seeing if drunk you slips

Person 3.7

This game 0

Im this moment 8

Lunatic wrote:

Om a scale od 1 to 2, how scum are you?

As a person, as a player, or in this moment?

Im always down to hammer thoth or mag (after last game)

New meta

Im also okay with just hammering thoth for memes. Little over 20 percent chance to be right [likely]

Also angle shooting isn't banned. He said minimal. So im sure ill pull from my arsenal at some point. Plus wf wont kill me. So not to worried about it

Its just easy to bully you into slipping. 3 games running you have been a dp1 scum lynch for saying weird shit. Pressure on you is never bad because the more you talk the more you slip.

So you are either quiet and its prob a scum tell

Or you talk a lot and if you are scum, you inevitably will throw

VTL: Thoth

Omgus

Roll me in then. One of my fav animes

Bet

This is my issue. Not once did kohai care about this. Not one single time and was having reads based off who people were and was happy to be town read off the idea he was posting testing shit so much.

His tune only changed after people tracked his behavior to last game. Then its integrity. At least helz has a moral high ground. I still disagree that you can objectively ban angle shooting but he was at least honest about it. Kohai was not and did it until it bit him in the ass

You cant just allow discussion about identity, have discussions and reads about it [before i posted] then say you cant discuss it. You are just faking reads at that point and it almost got me lynched cus I was trying to bullshit reasons to read people. So yeah eventually I just stopped because it was silly.

The issue is you enforce it at the start or dont. After most of the game is done and people have structured thoughts based on identity. You can't just come in and say "now you cant do that" after it was already allowed. You either lie about your reads or you dont.

/in if you need a player and if it doesn't fill. Was looking forward to theme analysis in this but happy to sit out if it fills since the theme is nerfed

Also im not some asshat. I just have a low tolerance and threshold for grandstanding and playing the victim. You want to piss me off. Blame someone or victim feign when you are contributing makes my temper boil

Kohai had literally 0 issue posting from his account and saying who he was when he was townread. When he started playing like shit. It turned into an integrity issue and he wanted to blame the angleshooting and loss for doing the same shit he was participating in

Mod being mad when he allowed it after I took the time to ask before I even started angleshooting is also just as silly

The fact people are this pissed is just dumb. Yes the game will count. We will learn better and mods can structure rules better and learn from it.

There is no inherent rule breaking when the fucking mod confirms and allows it and every player in the game is fucking doing it, including mafia. Its only an issue when it backfires

Now we move on

This conversation is just silly. I am not penalizing people who put time and effort into the game because the mod is salty. I have no issue with mag but this take is outright just silly. He explicitly allowed discussion about identities and answering a question to determine game balance is standard. I did not even start this, which is hilarious to me. Was done before I was even actively engaging in the game.

"I dont respect you because I didnt like the ramifications of a choice I made as a mod"

Then make a difference choice. The issue is their are two mafia cultures merging and people can have opinions. But one culture is not more wrong or right than the other. Its a preference for how the game functions.

Get helzs point but in the same light there are like 4 or 5 of us that have hundreds if not thousands of games each under us in the past 15 years and this has always been standard. Doesn't need to be this much salt. Clarify your rules better and think before you answer and if you fuck up then eat it and move on.

Why so serious.

David is a prime example of that. He was crashing out and i knew I could push his buttons until he slipped or got annoyed to the spot he would give up. I still could have got killed the last day phase as I was far from clear. But the out was for me to constantly badger him and get him to crash out. He could have chose to ignore that and mafia still had a good chance of winning. Prob 60/40. People will disagree with that. But its been around for as long as I've been here

Even tim was not sold i was town. I knew i was right so thats the way I had to get people to listen to me.

And I was right.

I’ve been playing mafia on this site since the early DDO era, around 2011, and the culture back then was already well‑established. Angle‑shooting, pressure tactics, and pushing behavioral reactions have always been part of the meta. That’s not new, and it’s not alignment‑indicative for me. The mod‑kill leverage thing is something I would’ve done as either town or scum. People who know my history know that’s just my playstyle.

The way I see it, you put rules in place for a reason. If the mod allows something, I’m going to use it. If the mod doesn’t allow it, I try not to. I’m not responsible for how other players emotionally respond to legal plays. If someone chooses to get frustrated, that’s their choice, not something I control. If the mod answers a dumb question thay affects the game, thats their choice. My job is to operate within the boundaries of the game, not manage other people’s reactions to pressure or plays that are allowed within the ruleset. I've never been one to care about intention. You have a framework for how the game functions and ill use anything I can to win. If you dont want that within the framework, adjust it in rules or in the game when it gets to much.

And honestly, this community has always had players who push limits and players who don’t. Anna is one of the kindest people here and still gets lynched every DP. Meanwhile, some of the strongest players on the site have always been the ones who test boundaries and apply pressure and stay alive to the end most of the time. Tone isn’t alignment indicative. Niceness isn’t alignment indicative. Effectiveness is what matters to me. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it blows up in my face. But ill use any resource I have.

At the end of the day, I’m playing the same way I’ve always played: within the rules, consistently across alignments, and in a style that’s been part of this site’s meta for over a decade. If someone doesn’t like that style, that’s fine, but it doesn’t make it unethical, or out of line. It just means we come from different metas.

I wasn't going to modkill myself. Was waiting david to get mad and slip. Sometimes you fake behavior to get reactions

Its the same thing. Game is a game and move on lol

Normally id feel worse but we have all did worse than that and I explicitly asked permission so I don't feel to bad.

Tbf if you were alive it prob would have been way harder. Kohai was so obvious scum it was painful.

Again same thing I said to kohai. I literally asked lol.

Kinda executive calling this cus scum is going to say not count it and pie and others will care about the win

So instead of having people debate it. Just going to executive make the choice and people can be mad.

When its posted if they want. It can remove my elo

Prob will count this. If it makes people feel better. Ill remove myself off the elo. I dont really care. We have counted games where magic rage yeeted himself and people threw etc. Its not an exception or fair to people who played it out.

Also I dont want this to be a precident for excusing a loss either way. Cus it will be used as a reference point in the future.

Well im happy thr theater at least worked. Its really hard to sell people sometimes.

Also his first time modding. But lowkey. I didnt even start that shit. There was literally poems about who people are by the tjme I started trying to read

And if everyone is doing snd I'm not then im feigning reads for bad reasons. Which is why I asked.

Was a very good design and balance though.

To clarify. I did what I did because I asked and was allowed. If the mod allows it. Its not bending rules or some shit. The account login was a mistake. He asked to not force a mass claim of who people are. So yes. I asked. Yes I was allowed

And yeah j was accidentally logged in on my account and posted by accident. Kohai did as well. Rotating two accounts on a phone at work. That was an oops

You joining kinda solved it. Immediately clocked it as you and we had the same logic

So moved from being curious about your slot to hard scum locking brand. Kohai was scum either way

So that hydra kinda saved it

Prob won't have time to catch up like I want.

Dude you know how absent I've been in general. Work is nuts. Some massive projects due. Trying to get around to post but we have been slammed

I softed vt dp1 by being sus of vanilla claims. Read through that. Not sure when i can post. Don't regret the magic sus because I still think he was capable of doing that. Both pie and Connor where town locking me almost. As scum. Why would I kill them. That's retarded. Look who's pushing me and I think scum is there. Ill sheep you