RemyBrown

->I would have a spectrum of charges to convict for to match the spectrum of seriousness of possible rape crimes.

Make your list of charges based on the different types of rape.

->They are not that different, but there could be a law which makes it legal for anyone to kill rapists.

Then you've legalized murder as it means I could kill you, claim you raped me, and dead men tell no tales.

All social media content is infactual to somebody out there.

Many people rape the rapists in prison. I assume your statement is wrong.

In order for a rapist to go to prison, rape has to be illegal first.

Execute rapists. If murder was legal, they could.

Execution and murder are as different as imprisonment and kidnapping.

They want to punish the rapist, but not by raping them. Execute rapists.

What if to rape the rapist, someone has to not consent (so the rapist who raped the rapist would be getting themselves raped in the process to administer their raping punishment to the rapist for being a rapist)?

The GOP has exposed their racism by calling for Vivek to be deported to India for being Indian.

Immigrants are usually Latino or Asian. Many Latinos are White. The White Latinos will probably continue to vote red, but darker Latinos are stuck in the blue camp probably indefinitely, so much so that if the GOP runs a candidate that says, "I'm not racist", then the Latino conservatives would vote for them, but the white conservatives won't (think of JD Vance, who married an Indian wife and has 2 brown children).

The GOP has to decide whether to be racist or capitalist. If they select the former option, then they alienate the minority conservatives; if they select the ladder, then they alienate the white conservatives. Because the reality is, although the GOP in 2016 was very white, there is a danger to annexing a group of people within your party; you have to accommodate their needs in a way that you just couldn't do if they are with a different party.

You can't say, "Transwomen are men" and then call Blaire White a woman because she's MAGA (and you can't refer to Blaire as she/her because she/her pronouns are for women). You can't say, "Deport anchor babies" and be fine with Vivek. The GOP can't be a united party with Cadence Owens (black anti semite woman), Ben Shapiro (Jew), Nick Fuentes (white nationalist anti semite), Myron Gains (black guy who also wants to take away women's right to vote) and MTG (anti semite anti abortion feminist). The GOP needs to decide which groups to keep and which groups to expel.

The truth is people don't vote on the economy; they vote on social issues (which are Blacks, Dark Immigrants, Gays, Trans, and women). That's why if there is a Dark immigrant who is a lesbian transwomen, then they could have billions of dollars or they could be broke, they are voting blue.

Nick Fuentes would vote for Newsom over JD Vance because Newsom has a white family. And Newsom has a very Trumpian vibe to him (even though he's a democrat). I like Newsom's Trumpian vibe. Race isn't the issue for me.

But LGBT activists who want solidarity should realize that yes, these brown people voted blue in 2025, but they still believe that TW are men and that will not realistically change, so if a democrat wins office and they say TW are men, then the minorities won't consider that to be a deal breaker, but they won't agree with them.

The GOP might go extinct due to racism, and then the 2 parties would be the TERFs and the LGBT party. Minorities are left wing on every issue except LGBT and even young white dudes are usually like that too (but the urban white guys don't want the deportations like the rural ones do, but there is mild but common anti semetism in both).

Anti semetism doesn't even mean wanting the Jews dead, it could mean not liking Jews while also not wanting to kill them. Saying, "Jews run the media" is anti semetism even if you wouldn't kill them for running the media.

That shouldn’t be allowed though. Rape should be illegal.

America was founded on equality (ideological equality, meaning facsism and human rights were on an equal playing field). Like, the founders owned slaves.

So if you want to be the American value for equality, then you have to on a personal level hold facsists equally to supporters of human rights.

The most important (first) amendment protects freedom of speech, not freedom of sex.

Human rights = Leftism, Fascism = Rightism.

Man versus Bear is social media inspired twaddle.

That is every social media issue.

If someone robs a candy bar, then they won't get punished, so it's basically legal (illegal but unenforced is de facto legal).

What forms of rape would you convict people for?

Rapist doesnt get to choose who will rape him.

What if nobody wants to rape a rapist?

I should rephrase; men were kinder to women 2 years ago than now. Now, Man vs Bear came up, and that kindness is gone. Women do not deserve to be raped, but they deserve to be verbally traumatized (which under the 1st amendment, it’s legal to verbally traumatize as verbally traumatizing people is free speech).

-> There is always someone who wants to rape the rapist. 

What if the rapist only wants to be raped by women? Most female rape victims are straight.

-> Nonetheless, I still contend that "legalizing rape" is something of a contradiction in terms. Legalizing rape would render the act as permissible non-consensual sexual molestation and/or penetration.

The law legalizes so many things that aren’t consensual (ex: taxes). Obviously being raped is worse than paying taxes, but legalizing rape isn’t a contradiction because the law does things to people without their consent.

Ask for everything. Do STI tests before you fuck. If they have AIDS, then tell everybody. People with AIDS should be permanently unfuckable and people should know. If I owned my own home, then I would prohibit anyone with AIDS from bringing their disease-ridden body on my property.

->5 it kind of depends because if you know the other person wouldn't mind, than not revealing it isn't really rape by deception. But otherwise that's a pretty significant thing not to reveal.

Only like 3% of straight dudes wouldn't mind. So then maybe you could argue that it's rape. But you should ask every time, just as you would for anything that's a deal breaker to you.

What changes would you make?

What if nobody wants to rape the rapist?

->If rape is legal, woman can trick her rapist or pay someone else to tie him down (people who hate rapists will do it for free), and then she can rape her rapist and get as much payback as she wants.

No woman wants to rape her rapist though is the thing.

->But if they like being raped in prison, then prison would be enjoyable for them.

There are other reasons why people don't like prison.

->Not really.

Who is stronger?

75% of men would agree to have sex with a random woman if it's consensual. 0% of women reciprocate.

Men are in charge of the law in our country, and rape is a very bad felony.

Men view strange women as better than goddesses (when was the last time you saw a man take a statue of Athena out for a date?), women view men as worse than bears.

If women had as much political power as men do with their current brains, then they would make men 2nd class citizens. Men don't do that because they have self awareness.

Am I advocating for legalizing rape? No; but plenty of people are on this website that has the left/right fairly equally balanced.

I want the men in charge of the law in the country to operate with gender fairness (but also in their own interests). There will be a conflict of these values, legalizing rape would be in men's best interests, but it would violate gender fairness too much, so I wouldn't legalize rape.

But I would do things like:

1. Make pre-nups and post-nups mandatory (unless you opt out). If women think this is harmful to women, then alright, but it's beneficial to men, and it's better, so I'd want to do that. If the woman tries to opt out, then the wedding would be illegal due to female exploitation.
2. Ban women from the military if they do not meet the same physical requirements of men.
3. All dating apps would be outlawed. The federal government would buy out 100% of the stock from all American dating apps (and because the business model is failing, they won't move to China, they will just accept the stock purchasing). This is bad for women because it destroys their ego, but it's good for men (and it's the moral thing to do).
4. You should be required to do a minimum of 30 pushups in one sitting to be able to vote. A healthy body creates a healthy mind. I can do 53 pushups in one sitting, so I'm fine. The majority of men should not be able to vote and virtually no woman should be able to vote because how can you be mentally strong if you can't even discipline yourself to be able to do 30 pushups in one sitting? The majority of people don't even have to think about politics anymore; the women can walk the dogs (and lets be honest, for the vast majority of women and the majority of men; politics is too stressful to think about especially when you think of the other party, no vote means you don't have to think about it). This means politicians have to be more logical.
5. Get rid of useless degrees (any political or human rights major, even Polysci). Human rights is horrible because it is nothing more than a very powerful marketing term for gullible people, the overwhelming majority of whom are women, rainbows, and Irish White "men" and anyone Canadian (unless they are the minority in Canada that identifies as an American).
6. Any woman that said they prefer the bear over the unknown dude on the internet will have their account banned over hate speech. They are saying men don't deserve human rights. DOE KIG speech would be Disparagement or Execution of a Known Innocent Group. Saying a man is worse than a bear is Disparagement. Saying you think Kirk rightfully had it coming would be Execution of a known innocent group. Saying, "I believe Transwomen are women" after Nov 10 2025 in public would mean you should get punched with the one exception of those that say, "I non-violently believe Transwomen are women". The right being subject to the equal and opposite is optional because they didn't celebrate or say Dylan Mulvaney had it coming for a bud light can; they merely boycotted Bud Light. I didn't even agree with the Bud light protest, but I'm non-violent about my TWAW belief, so I can (and should) be treated as one of the good ones. Being a pick me ally kicks ass! Dean Withers is a pick me liberal. The non-pick me left wingers disassociate with everyone with one right wing opinion because it gives fascists credit.

->Extremely unlikely. But if they enjoyed all sex, then prison would be paradise for them as well.

Nobody likes prison, even the rapists. But jailing rapists means rape is illegal.

->But if rape was legal, you could rape your rapist over and over.

Women raping men is a lot harder than vice versa.

->So how would legalizing rape help a rapist?

It might be impossible to rape a rapist because they might enjoy all sex.

How would legalizing rape help the people that do not want to have sex or be raped?

Is this line fair?:

1. Person with down syndrome eagerly has sex with a neurotypical
2. Having sex with an unenthusiastic sex worker
3. Has sex to make partner happy in a relationship
4. Lying about wealth/hobbies in order to get laid
5. Not revealing being transgender until after sex
6. Pretending to like a sexual hookup out of fear of disrupting mutual social circles
7. Hookup where one person appears nervous and tense, but doesn’t say no or resist
8. Stealing money back after paying a sex worker for sex
9. An enthusiastic, interested person gets very drunk on a date. The other person is sober. They have sex.
10. Using serious emotional pressure and guilt to get sex in a relationship
11. A 16 year old eagerly has sex with a 26 year old
12. Sex with someone who resists and says no, but who secretly really wants it
13. Person A clearly says no to sex. After repeated attempts, Person A gets tired and eventually gives in.
14. An uninterested, reserved person gets very drunk on a date. The other person is sober. They have sex.
15. During sex, person A begins hitting/biting/choking person B, without asking. B pretends to like this out of fear of making A more violent.
16. Sneakily removing a condom during sex
17. A husband forcing sex upon a wife in a traditional culture where she doesn’t perceive this as wrongdoing
18. A person has a rape fetish. Their friend, trying to be helpful, gets a stranger to abduct and forcibly penetrate this person.
19. A stranger forcibly assaults someone, who screams and fights the entire time

Not rape

Rape

But you would rape those that don't want rape to be legal as well?

Should rape only be legal for those that want to legalize rape? Because the majority of the US population doesn't support legalizing all rape.

->Consent is irrelevant

This is why I believe you support legalizing rape (so just own your unpopular opinion). These are not my views, but women should know that I would have previously called this guy a monster, because women have said they chose the bear over not the rapist, but the man, I'm not going to say I agree with you (because I don't), but I will respond with me saying, "I disagree" instead of, "Go Fuck yourself you piece of shit!!!".

And Debatecraft.com is no 4chan; people here are all over the place politically. I'm just letting women know that the overton window is shifting pretty right wing and because women chose the bear (and if they ever change their minds, then they will be interpreted as liars), the, "legalize rape" position is not what I agree with, but it will be the belief that for now I will treat as a normal position that I merely disagree with.

So to SergantLynch, why should rape be legal? I don't like the idea of forcing a woman to have sex with you. Like, would you like it if someone forced you to have sex?

My IQ is 145 and I'm in Mensa, so yes.

Then where do you draw the line (for yourself, but also for others, which would probably be 2 different things)?

No. If I tried to fuck them, then it would be rape. That’s fine; but then I keep my dick to myself.