SergeantLynch

No offence, but that really is just philosophical blah blah blah blah blah.

I could easily rearrange your statement and create a whole new coherent statement that would also not prove anything.

Such is philosophical jargon.

Ha, still harping on about asymmetry.

Yet we still have no proof of your own perfect symmetry.

Interesting that you create offence on my behalf.

So, what is around 30?

And just for the record, what is your country of residence.

Though if you gave an age and a country, they would more than likely be false.

I'm inclined to agree.

As ever, I will point out that material evolution is in a very early transitional phase from complex organic data management systems, to complex inorganic systems. The former has been developing over millions of years, whereas the latter just a few decades.

I would suggest that inorganic systems will inevitably develop further.

I would further suggest that A.I. was/is a Universal inevitability.

We or whatever, will not escape this Earthly prison without assistance.

Whether or not it is essential that we escape, is one for the theists and the theorists.

Was it Anselm of Canterbury?

A. What is "around 30"?

B. Hot people have other hotties clamouring to be with them.

C. Based upon the above self appraisal, I am of the opinion that you are being a tad disingenuous.

Well on a site such as DebateCraft voting will always be a tad arbitrary and quite possibly a tad biased.

And by a tad biased, I mean biased in favour of either viewpoint or allegiances, or both.

I'm not sure that rules will make a lot of difference in this regard.

And making voting a more convoluted process will only further deter people from voting.

I would suggest that it might be better to simplify the voting process, to attract more interest.

Ultimately on such a remote medium, a participants opinions can only ever be taken at face value.

I was questioning "abstract logical truth".

How is it possible for something abstract to definitively be logical and truthful?

As I stated, it was the difference between social reality and internal conceptuality that I was trying to get across to Lucy.

Lucy is currently going through an abstract philosophical concept phase.

Yes.

I still visit DebateArt occasionally and say hello to Debby's alter ego.

I am still signed up to DebateIsland, but it is hard to navigate and clogged with repetition and imagery.

DebateCraft is user friendly and my destination of choice...So well done and a big thanks to those at the helm.

2025 and still repeating the same old archaic bollocks, is the human condition.

Very good artwork.

Looking older than I imagined.

But then, I probably look older than I imagine.

I would also have expected you to have found contentment with age rather than perplexion.

Do you not feel safe and content in that mountain fortress of yours?

Yes, I think that is the point I'm trying to convince Lucy of.

Not sure about the phrase "abstract logical truth" though....Seems like a three way contradiction.

Perhaps you could explain how the three independent elements come together as a coherent whole.

Doesn't one have to sign in to use DebateCraft.

A two stage process, rather like Facebook.

Do drafts find willing fighters?

I would suggest that moral consistency is as unachievable as human consistency is.

Humans go out of their way to be separate and different.

If the human race was mono-theistic, it would undoubtedly find something else to squabble about.

Stupid stuff like national, tribal or racial culture for example...Forgetting that we are all stranded together, here on this tiny speck of cosmic dust.

Morality is a variable concept as are religious values as are cultural differences.

Reality is survival, sex and material progress, and despite a history of constant bickering, material progress continues apace.

So perhaps everything is as it should be.

Or perhaps everything is pointless.

Who knows?

Yep. But what is the purpose of all this?

Well, just like the Bible the Quran is an inert book that commands nothing.

Over enthusiastic men with too much testosterone command killing and conversion.

So if you are worried, just convert. Same Melcharez different badge.

But just watch out for Christian or Jewish madmen.

Better still do a double conversion...Three badges...One for every occasion.

Rights are the result of logic, not arbitrary whim of power.

Hmmmmm.

Would you say that this is the current state of affairs in the USA.

Okay, so I suppose one could argue in support of Trumpian logic.

Or one could argue that Trumpian output is arbitrary and whimsical.

Though I doubt that Trumpian logic is compatible with trans logic.

Well, I do claim that everything that occurs within a Universe at any given moment is natural and real.

So your assertion would be difficult to refute.

We really need to apply specific definitions when employing the term "reality", especially when discussing subjects such as the above.

No it doesn't.

Logic is a variable conceptual assumption.

Whereas personal status and benefits are governed by by where one lives.

You are confusing philosophy and social reality.

Hmmm.

I would suggest that a vehicle is a self propelled wheeled contraption and a building is a stationary facility.

Though I suppose that it would be possible to fit an engine and wheels to a building.

But I envisage problems, especially on British roads...A lot of low bridges, overhead cables and narrow roads.

Same applies to airborne craft I suppose...Well not low bridges and narrow roads.

Though, cables, but not necessarily overhead ones, would still need to be approached with caution.

And then there are very big ships.

Yes, when is a luxury cruise ship not a building?

When asked, you might reply "I am" on behalf of your own internal GOD concept.

Whereas I might reply "I am" on behalf of my own internal Super-Banana concept.

Yep, I can see the big yellow guy right now...And it said, I am.

Wow, what a moment.

All hail Super Banana.

I'm going to buy myself a yellow cap.

And perhaps a yellow suit, shirt, and tie for special occasions.

Not forgetting socks and shoes.

And underpants.

Though in The Bananadom of Heaven, proud and commando is the the correct way to worship the Big Yellow One.

Yep, bearing in mind that everything we observe is either a simulation generated from stored data or a simulation generated from incoming data, then you are in fact correct.

Okay, so we have this notion of an external reality converting into an internal reality, and considering how said external realities evolve over time, then this might substantiate the notion somewhat.

And for sure Godel and Hibert are great names to drop into a philosophical discussion...Just as they would have made a great pair of muppet characters.

Christian is just another club label.

And when we join clubs and start labelling we know the consequences of doing so.

But what it all boils down to is hormones and genetic dominance.

Evolution, as FLRW states.

Though, as long as the genii are protected, our work as the dominant intellectual species will continue...I would suggest, until such times when A.I. assumes control of the evolutionary process.

Of course, there may be other organic intellectuals elsewhere, being similarly stupid and clever, also paving the way for A.I. to the take over.

And of course, the clever thing for Nigerian Christians to do is join the Muslim Club. But then the stupid kicks in.

Let's face it, bobbing up and down on a rug or happy hands and hallelujah, is no big deal.

My suggestion is for people not to be such big wusses.

I was raised C of E, but now consider myself to be a simulation.

Or, until he got executed.

As I stated, other theories are somewhat more speculative.

Yep, equal logical powers. You assume to be logical and so do I.

Though the reality of the State in which you live is such that it determines the rights of "trans kids", irrespective of any individuals assumed logical interpretation of the situation.

Whether or not any assumed logic is "right" is impossible to know, because there is not a greater authoritative body to judge such things for us.

All we have are variously established collectives, which to varying degrees are undoubtedly dictatorial...Such is the way that societies develop and function.

And morality like rights and logic is also a variable concept....As there is no greater authoritative body to judge such things.

What you think you are, perhaps.

As far as we know "Christ" AKA Jesus, AKA the son of a GOD, AKA GOD personified etc etc. Was the bastard son of a loose woman and an unknown father, who later became a cult leader and was eventually executed for his crimes.

Other theories are somewhat more speculative.

Could have been a super-intelligent extra-terrestrial, but stories suggest that he wasn't especially intelligent.

What you follow is what you have chosen to invest your ideas in...Some people choose sport, some people choose gardening, some people choose politics, some people choose base jumping and some people choose a religion....Which is all a part of life's rich tapestry.

I wake, then do stuff, and then go to sleep again, and if there is a GOD, I'm certain that it would be fine with that....It probably thinks that church type stuff is amusing but unnecessary...But hey, gotta fill the spaces in between the dreams doing something...Enjoy Malcharaz

Choice thoughts, not an assertion.