The Miller is the only town player that can confirm their existence and mafia knowing that seems way too OP. Even if the roles workout, I just think town are doomed solely on that. If anything, Pies fake claim should not have had the miller modifier. The cop fake claim that happened because of it ultimately had no choice but to right off Luna / Pie. Town were doomed and there was no way they were going to win this game in DP2 and even after Magic made a decision
The miller essentially did nothing besides cause more dysfunction within the town because there was no way to confirm the miller. If Pie and Luna claimed something different then they would’ve outted me for not having a role connected to the Miller in this game unless they discovered about Athena (which I guess could be possible), but that’s just not a justification for a miller in this game.
Kind of a bummer to be honest.
Even if I didn’t think you were a better option. If I picked Luna or Pie I would’ve swung the other way. They played it well I guess. Don’t understand the Miller setup at all in this game but ok I guess. I would’ve 100% believes Luna cop
I wouldn’t have gotten Luna / Pie as a team either way in this game tbh so not really mad at myself for getting this wrong. I honestly was stumped and didn’t feel like dragging out the DP to this point
They haven’t even made any through tuck contributions on reads at all and haven’t developed analysis. It’s just so minimalistic and plain and the claim with hesitance makes me think it was a way to buy time
VTL Kohai
If I am wrong, I don’t mind taking the L on this. But I just can’t be convinced right now on Pie or Whiteflame or Luna being more scum than Kohai to this point. Maybe I’m stuck in my head but I’ve read the game and been keeping up and doing my own thought progressions and reads. Every one just doesn’t lead me to a scenario where Kohai is town.
I feel more confident in Kohai being scum than anything. If we lost cause of it, well I don’t mind taking the blunt. If the are town and it’s Pie/Luna or WF/Pie then I think it’s just a well executed game and bus. If it’s WF/Luna, then it is just well played out at this point. I can’t let Kohai get away with some of the shit to be honest with you especially when a Vanilla exists and their primarily served as a Vanilla. Both sides make a compelling case but fmpov, I just don’t see the logic in any of those options over Kohai who has consistent scum tells in this game and behavior is off. my vote is going to be Kohai but want to check time
I have to analyze behavior and a lot of different things. I see an argument for either Pie or Whiteflame. I don’t understand why we are letting Kohai just slide the way they are though compared to the other characters
I’m honestly thrown for a loop. The Bears play tonight so trying to read through the progressions
She did do that. Very good point
What is the justification for Athena being cop?
There is quite a bit to dissect here. But there is some good information from WF and Pie. I have to read the analysis but do want to note I think that WF role is similar to tracker, don't think it is "essentially a tracker" to the degree Pie states.
Time to read a bit ish
Responding to your question. I’m on mobile so my phone might quote this stupidly but will answer
Vader:
You seem pretty locked into Pie/Kohai. What's the strongest piece of evidence for that pairing in your opinion?
It’s a simple POE but I am the Miller. You are a cop. To me that’s a direct 1 of 1 balance that role so in my view you are town. I am not locked but I have to look at every option on the table here. I am honestly not even set on Pie tbh because of that specific miller clause but even then that seems really weird for a game like this.
If Kohai is actually town because of my result, who is your second scum alongside Pie?
I honestly don’t really know to be honest. I had you town but I would have to reevaluate. I think default would be Whiteflame but I wouldn’t even consider that a lock. I think I honestly would have you or Pie and then Whiteflame. I’d have to consider everything to that point but I wouldn’t even likely more consider Pie/whiteflame. But I wouldn’t rule you out either because I have noticed a lot of the roles had some funky / buffers
What is your full scope of whiteflame? It seems as if you have accepted him as town, am I wrong in that assumption?
No. You are wrong but not totally wrong. I think he is town but it’s not strong. I think if really wanted to end this game quickly as scum with his role, the most optimal meta was to fake a result on me to generate a mislynch. It obviously would have put us at odds and 1v1 but in MYLO situation it would’ve probably swung the vote to me and mafia would win in m!Whiteflame. It is kinda assuming reasoning but it gives me reason to believe Whiteflame is town. Behaviorally, I don’t see anything that’s truly setting my radars off with Whiteflame but I always fine super hard to read
Need Pie's role claim.
I feel like it has to be Kohai and Pie at this point
Lunatic is a cop, so by the literal nature of the game, Cop + Miller are town-locked together, and he is in the only affiliation investigation role.
Whiteflame with that role had the easiest way to win the game and he did not capitalize on it. Easiest thing he could do is say the chain broke and the writing would've been all over the wall and scum would win. So I do think he's telling the truth about his role
Pie and kohai and irked me. Pie put really early pressure Kohai and went hard and he remained that way. But Kohai did not really fight back the way he did normally and ultimately Pie's words just led to mislynched at this point. Felt like there should've been more a reaction.
So the cop is out. At this point based on my roles I think Luna is a lock to me at this point. I’m taking Luna out of the PoE to this point.
WF
Kohai
Pie
I will wait for Pie. I do have some skepticism of Whiteflames claim but one he is telling the truth, but I also think there was an easier way to use that role that could’ve gotten me mislynched. I was very close to the lynch last DP and he could’ve used the same logic to fake the result assuming this is MYLO scenario to guilt me.
Kohai has 2 checks but there is probably a GF in this game. But does the Whiteflame mechanic clear him?
Pie is the biggest question mark tho
Everyone needs to full claim to this point
Fair enough I guess lol
I will try to be more active near endgame I promise. I am actually transitioning roles at work, and this transition process is making me sit in so many meetings. Today I went to the gym and just wanted to watch football, and I totally forgot about the game itself.
Wow now I look like a raging dumbass LOL.
Kohai has been on every lynch wagon and hasn't given a thought of explanation. You need to seriously look at him and get him to claim. Tree stump and vanilla are not in a game together there's 0% chance
It's DP2 A COP SHOULDN'T FUCKING CLAIM ON DP2 UNLESS HE WAS PRESSURED
Got lynched within a working day phase cuz of "Miller" on the justification on NO CLAIMED COP. Fucking done playing these games
No i was a miller the whole time. How tf did I get lynched? It's so obviously Thoth and Kohai they legit hard pivoted cuz of time and Kohai basis makes zero sense. Town deserves to fucking lose lol
#221 his literally only logic for voting is that no one claimed a cop...
I need the exact context of the lynch besides "activity." Gonna read up but unless any major changes, Kohai is my 100% lock VTL next DP from what I quickly skimmed lol that vote was so fucking manufactured
Also I was watching Indiana University football so wasn't on tonight. Sorry if that is a sin but Pie can confirm if anyone thinks I am lying bro has seen my degree and almater
I don't know what you are talking about dude LMAO. I've been active the first 10 pages and you are literally only voting on page 10 to rush a vote. That's twice in a game you are doing that LMAO.
Just got on and saw some fucking nonsense lol
