Vader

I don’t think it would hurt to get Luna’s. I think since both of you were bickering it would only be fair to get the other

VTL LUNA

Anyway I’ll be busy pretty much all afternoon. I have some project free time for a bit but have a couple reports to knock out so if anything won’t have too much time to respond to complex messages

They’ve also claimed to be “tired” of the bullshit happening and getting lynched. I bet that scum partner tried to get them to interact less in this DP so they don’t get themselves mislynched on DP1 so that we could shift focus. Plus a tree stump is such a nothing claim

I am going to make the decision to focus off Magic unless Pie makes some shocking discovery that makes me reconsider. We should pivot to get some claims from maybe one person. Then I want to look to Kohai. Someone who is usually very vocal in reads seem to be taking a back seat and letting the DP play out and only chiming in when they have pressure under them OR to cast a mislynch vote. I think we need to look at that more since it feels out of character

Ehh looking back his alien invasion piece doesn’t really include that much thought about aliens besides there so technologically advanced without evidence. A non science theoretical seems to be a lot of his own thoughts and I could see him choosing those 3 cuz why not

This isn’t necessarily an indication that I believe Magic’s claim and what he did. I still think that’s its entire possible that this was a fake claim given OR a twist on a scum role. But I think balance wise it makes more sense than maybe just a doctor. I think the soft was good and aligns but the justification of even more breadcrumbing to a bible verse is sort of a stretch but it does makes sense to the quote. If he knew the fake claim he could’ve prepared a statement to soft on this.

I still think behaviorally I have questions, but I think this claim does makes sense and it is very elaborate. How descriptive of fake claims do we think Bullish got? I am not really sure to be quite honest. This could go either way. My justification Vader (1) wasn’t long. Didn’t really think Banana’s was all that long. I also think this opens the door to backing out of a claim based on the choice.

Either way, I want to hear what Pie has to say.

Unvote

I feel like my response to this is more personal strategy to the game of mafia itself rather than to the game and that’s a semantics debate I don’t want to get into. Even then, even if Pie is a fear kill, he was clearly not the top town player here and had some scum reads on him.

Also why would mafia target Pie? His clear scum reads were Vader (1) and Kohai. Unless any of them were mafia, no reason to fear kill Pie unless they knew information

VTL magic

Originally Posted by whiteflame on 9/23/2026 at 7:15 PM (post #43)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 3:24 PM (post #31)

Do you have anything to elaborate on from yesterday?

Hmmm... seems like you're insinuating something should be forthcoming. I'll see how Thoth responds.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 9/23/2026 at 3:29 PM (post #32)

claim option fmpov

Lunatic - top scum read

Thoth - coverage play, for clarity on yesterday

Kohai- going along with Pie’s plan

I get Luna because you were quite clear on your issues with him already. I kind of get Thoth. Less clear on Kohai.

I less get Thoh. He rode hard for him early stages and now feels like he's backing out of that read.

I smell a Thoth / Magic team tbh

Magic is also trying to stir the post with the his wording of not scumreading me and not townreading me. I played the role exactly how I should've played it. Can't help Jen didn't know how to play. Other complicated things but I REALLY do not like that at all to be honest

Also he had a hard town read on Thoth. If he was a protective role, why didn't he protect Thoth? I don't know if his read changed but when he launced his consistent top read was Thoth and I felt like if he makes the justification that he was trying to protect his biggest town read, he'd go for Thoth

If he's investigative, no reason he doesn't go Kohai or someone he had a read on like Luna

I don't like the way that Pie also claimed. Looked like he was getting some people to soft their claims that they had or actions but I do not think it is atypical of him to do that. I don't know what information he would specifically get.

My question is why didn't Magic go after Kohai. It was his strongest read besides me and he pivotted to someone that he was town reading by the end of the DP. I agree with Luna here and is a good point I didn't think about. I feel like he didn't play whatever he had, ideally, depending on his role.

Per my first post. I am a Miller SOP. I can not visit anyone

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 9/23/2026 at 3:12 AM (post #11)

Vader, since you replaced into Jen's slot, I want to separate what came from Jen's slot versus what you're bringing in yourself.

After reading DP1, who do you think was actually doing the most genuine solving? Was there anyone who looked like they were just following the direction of the game?

This is a tough question. I think in terms of game solving I would have to look to you or even Whiteflame at this point. Kohai I believe is following the flow of the game. Just didn’t give enough substance to warrant me(1) a vote besides not wanting themselves to get vtl’d. No siginifcant substance and the pushback of them not wanting to claim cuz tree stump irked me the wrong way. Looking back should have pushed Kohai more after tree stump claimed but I always feel weird targetting Kohai every time

Looking back at your earlier reads, you were skeptical of Magic's progression but also didn't seem fully committed to that push. Was Magic actually your strongest scumread, or was he just the easiest person to pressure at the time?

Yes and I will 100% stand by this. I am not an aggressive voter in the early stages of the game at all. I’m not voting unless I know I want to lynch. Also to be even more honest I lost track of time and thought we had more time to vote

Who do you think was the most suspicious person that survived DP1, and why did the game not end up there?

Kohai and Magic. They took advantage of no real target during DP1 and shifted the narrative over to me with Magic controlling the wagon and Kohai going unnoticed

If you had to vote someone right now who would it be and why?

Kohai took a stronger leap reading DP1 over than Magic, but I think either/or work

I’m gonna get to Luna’s posts in a minute but wanted to get that ahead of the curve on this as soon as possible

My character is false vacuum decay. It’s a fake a quantum state that is meta stable and because I am false I am Miller

Ok. Fucking Jen didn’t SOP claim. I am a Miller

Pie moving to unvote essentially secured my fate tbh

Scum team is probably Magic/Kohai. If I was a cop I’d be more in a fit but a roleblocker doesn’t do anything but neg utility anyway and I can make fun of Pie for being wrong

Thought he was at L-3 tbh

I don’t think that I will get my Magic wish and losing a tree stump to me isn’t the worst thing imaginable

VTL Kohai

I would not have a problem lynching Kohai either if that’s the direction we want to go

Unvote

I actually do like Thoth’s reads and analysis. I still have skepticism about the mod having incorrect info since it is such a bold take and thing to say without context but behaviorally I don’t see anything glaring for what I know about Thoth

I didn’t see Thoth’s read wall while making reads so hold off on that analysis of him

See reads I gave

I’m going to go through some old responses if I am not hammered and respond. I only have like 10 min left of lunch so I’m gonna try my best to catch up

Totally agree. It’s one thing for inactive, but 4 posts saying you’ve read front to back with no real substance when the DP ends in 21 hours seems like mafia telling them to not posts and let the DP play out and I don’t like it

There has also been 0 substance from Kiggins this DP despite them saying they’ve read everything front and back. I get that they were in the ER, but even then with that amount of time passed with nothing truly of substance to note feels like lurking rather than true mafia