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That's why I wanted to see if Mikal claimed to see if he was a protective role, because then I could essentially "confirm" his action to a degree unless he was CC'd.

So I'll claim at this point...

My role is a 2x Redirector. It is definitely a bit fishy, and honestly, this may even be SOP depending on your perspective. Last night, I chose Casey / Mikal, for any action items to be redirected on Magic. This was for 2 reasons

1. I wanted to see if Magic had something happen to him in terms of a roleblock / action fail / etc. I also thought that if Casey had an investigative role and they see something happen, it can be redirected onto who I thought would be the Nk target after a DP that ends in a no lynch. Worst case scenario, Magic is dead and FoS on Casey/Mikal heightens
2. If Casey was potentially town and a NK didn't happen (like I see now), it would give a lot of cred too Casey and we can move on. Obviously with the recruiting and such, this makes it different. It also makes it interesting that Magic had only 1 other person visit them as well so curious to see what happens

He's not wrong as he we should lynch him IMO but last night his target was not Pie I just want to make sure this is confirmed

So this is interesting and wrong. I'll explain after I get a mod confirmation

It isn’t. Pie said his POE came down to who accepted the offer and Kohai wasn’t on there so he clearly thought otherwise. Unless you think they are both a team. It’s not adding up. And even then, that’s such a critical piece of info to leave or let people assume

You never implied or even suggested that you could not take back your offer at all or implied it in the post. When everyone was saying you rejected the offer I did not see you really take a stand against those arguments

No no that’s not what he said. He said it was too late to make a decision and the mod even clarified that and said it’s an important part in the plot with NO take backs. That is complete different not implied. That’s withholding info and skewing info

I feel like I’m going insane that people aren’t seeing what I’m seeing

I agree with this

Also even if the argument you make is that we all just assumed that Kohai rejected the offer that they were given, the minute someone stated they rejected it and when I said it this should’ve been a trigger to them to clarify there post, even right before. Not wait a whole 12 hours to post and now clarify. It seems like trying to backtrack from a mistake they made

I asked Thoth the question in PM. If anyone else did sorry but need to get this down. These 2 posts contradict each other

There was never anything that was said about the change not going through…

But there was never anything about being too late

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Kyubey targeted me asking me to enter in a contract. I had a feeling this was an alignment changing role. I was intreagued so I initally accepted the offer but then retracted it after reading up on it (though it wouldn't have mattered anyway as the contract ended up failing). It was mod confirmed to me that this was an alignment changing role. We are dealing with a cult or a recruiter.”

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“I got a message stating that I had an opportunity to sign a contract and unlock a previously hidden ability. I initially accepted it not thinking twice however when I read up on the character I realized this was probably an alignment changing role. I attempted to back out and was told it was too late; however that point was moot because the contract failed to go through.”

So now I have to rethink the game because the first post clearly states they rejected but then they change the story in 174. That long ass post was dropped 7 minutes after the DP got posted. Seems sort of pre planned

This contradicts your first post….

I also want to point this out I can be totally wrong. With this many affil changing actions, and then with the 50/50 of success and failure. I would not be shocked if scum potentially had NO killing roles. Because if it’s a 50/50, and 1/2 the people said yes to the recruit, the game is over. Extremely bastard but I am not ruling that out

I’d much rather prefer Mikal to at clarify the type of role he is. If he can at least do that then I will be satisfied and explain what I was trying to say

I guess I made a mistake by not asking to clarify then. I did not presume it would be an affiliation changing contract. This makes more sense then

Good question

I would have to think about that more tonight when im home so I can’t give you an answer

Either way, I find it a bit weird that Pie first asked if it was alignment changing and Thoth quickly responded yes to it. I feel like that would be so bastard to reveal in this game that this contract is affiliation changing. It also unlocked an ability and didn’t disclose enough about the contract. Idk man something is not adding up

Nope I just read it and I got mixed up.

Either way, was still under the impression that it wasn’t a recruitment based role IMO.

Am I not being mistaken that there was 2 different questions asked???? I could’ve sworn Rex said he got directly asked to be recruited versus mine was being asked for a hidden ability, if I am wrong I’ll admit I’m wrong but that’s not what I was under the impression of.

Yes when I was offered the hidden ability it was a picture of some rabbit looking thing

Anyway going to bed, will probably read the posts at 5am cst tmrw

Right now I think my Poe is Pie, WF, Rex, and Mikal and that’s literally from POE that can simply change. In fact, if Mikal claims something then I will actually move Mikal into my town pile but I don’t want to force a claim onto him

Anyways, right now I don’t really have any strong reads. Just a lot of FoS with some slight town reads. I do think Pie bumps up the list a bit with this.

I also kinda town read Kohai. Pretty clear there meta is a bit TMI to lead the game and I think him boldly claiming an action the first posts makes me think he’s town. Unless you think he’s making a 200 IQ play as scum but I’m not so sure

Going to log off for now but I have some thoughts about some of the info. I think there is a clear distinction between the two questions asked. One direction recruitment and one that was a hidden ability that we have 0 idea what it was for. 50% said yes and 50% said no but each to different questions that they were asked. I am actually a bit more sus of Pie this DP because of this bold “denial” claim. Realistically, there is no reason to deny a recruitment unless you know there isn’t going to be a NK in the night, and we had no way of guaranteeing that. Shit if I got offered to be recruited, and it would’ve AT THE MINIMUM by a 5v2 game, that’s just 2 DP’s to live on. Saying it’s scummy to deny that is IMO scummy to suggest because if you are solely thinking about winning a game, I think the optimal play is to accept. Not even to mention that THE ACTION failed.

It was not given to me as a recruitment, it was given to me as a hidden power. Even then, I didn’t even think it was scummy from my perspective until seeing Kohai recruitment. I accepted it because if I denied it and somehow I was the only person who got it, thats immediate FOS. You literally did the same thing to Luna in one game… the mechanic operated in a similar way

Targeted Casey(Mikal) last night with my action.

Not for a NK. But last night I did target someone but I want to wait to hear a claim from this person before I go ahead and shout my action I took