I support trans people, because I oppose slavery

Who gets to own whom?

Do you support conversion therapy for gay people just because someone brainwashed them into thinking they should identify as straight despite their reality?

In other words: Do you support conversion therapy for gay people just because someone brainwashed them into thinking they should identify as straight, despite their biological reality? If not, then why would you support doing the exact same thing to someone with dysphoria, encouraging them to reject reality instead of helping them reconcile with it?

The therapist owns both.

In other words: Do you support conversion therapy for gay people just because someone brainwashed them into thinking they should identify as straight, despite their biological reality? If not, then why would you support doing the exact same thing to someone with dysphoria, encouraging them to reject reality instead of helping them reconcile with it?

If some gay wants to try being straight, thats okay.

I expect that most trans people rely on others to do things for them.

Such is self determination.

Everything that occurs within a universe at any given moment is real.

It is impossible to reject reality

I expect that most trans people rely on others to do things for them.

Yes, voluntary.

Everybody is someones servant. Saying people define themselves by feelings rather than chromosomes just tells you whose servant they are.

Servant, sure. Being owned by another person tho, cannot be defended because we cannot decide who owns whom. Do I own all of you guys?

we cannot decide who owns whom

Yes we can.

"I give myself the right to decide...I decided that other people are, in most cases, dogs who should serve me until they die."

- Best.Korea

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They rely upon the determination of others, which is slavery to a system.

And the others are slaves to the system of wealth and power.

A Lynchku for Lucy.

Slaves to drugs.

Slaves to technology.

Slaves to inherent programming.

Slaves to Planet Earth, the Sun and the Universe.

Slaves to evolution and the GOD Principle.

So Batman, anoint yourself with sheer lingerie and call yourself Daisy for a relative nanosecond of sexuality and existence.

Such is volunteering.

They rely upon the determination of others, which is slavery to a system.

Body ownership means the opposite. It means they determine for themselves and others dont try to prevent them from making own choices.

"I give myself the right to decide...I decided that other people are, in most cases, dogs who should serve me until they die."

I am mean when drunk.

A body is and ownership is a concept.

Ownership simply means my body belongs to me.

Born--Blip--Dead

"Owning" another's body or soul is generally considered impossible and unethical within religious, philosophical, and ethical frameworks, as both the body and soul are viewed as belonging to the individual, God, or a greater divine being. Concepts like bodily stewardship (Islam) and the soul's inherent individuality (various beliefs) suggest that a person's existence, including their physical form and spiritual essence, is not a commodity to be possessed by another. Instead, ideas of human relationships and care focus on respect for the individual's whole being, including their body, mind, and spirit. 

I question what trans has to do with other body ownership, let alone other-body ownership with straights and gays/lesbians. W/here trains believe they can be either/or, or "other" simultaneously, what has that to do with anyone else? It's still a trans' own body, so no other body ownership is in play, unless they do accept slavery, which, clearly, some straights and gays/lesbians do, as well.

You can say that, but many even oppose trans gender care. So I would say there are people trying to decide how much body ownership can other people have. Now, I also support self-determination when it comes to names. I dont give people names. People tell me their names and that is how I call them. Tho I understand one can use freedom to give people names.

You are a bitchy and petty asshole if you think calling Caitlyn Jenner a man is the same as taking away their human rights because you disagree with a classificationist issue

I dont think misgendering is any serious crime. I just consider it not polite for me to use it.

The principle that "trans people should own their own bodies" is an articulation of bodily autonomy and self-determination, meaning that transgender individuals have the fundamental right to make decisions about their own bodies, including choices regarding their gender identity and medical care. This right encompasses access to gender-affirming care, such as hormone therapy or counseling, and the freedom to make personal choices about appearance, identity, and healthcare, free from external pressure or discrimination. 

Sure, if person wants to be called that.

Trans people don’t want to be labeled but to be accepted for what they are.

If they dont like the name, I wouldnt call them that name. There is no point in me making someone uncomfortable like that.