I support trans people, because I oppose slavery

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#61 •••
@LancelotDuLac

Transgender...Yet another human word put together to represent a more modern sociopsychological concept.


A separate concept and therefore a separate issue to that of hermaphroditism and other observable developmental anomalies.


Which isn't to suggest that some aspects of human evolution are not naturally based...I accept that everything is naturally based.

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#62 •••
@LancelotDuLac
The arguments you made in the OP are logically sound on their own


they are based on modified version of Kant's Categorical Imperative - Lex talionis, as well as principle of equal powers of all individuals.


I dont really see any possibility of someone arguing against lex talionis, when we assume principle of equal powers (Where each individual and each group have equal ability to decide). the only way to argue against lex talionis is by assuming one individual has more power than the other when it comes to decision making. But such position isnt logically possible to defend, because to give thyself special powers, you already need special powers to be able to do that. And then we just circle back to the question: Who decides about who gets to decide? - A logical problem where any person can claim these special powers, if special powers can be claimed by anyone. Which again brings back to Principle of equal powers.



As he has argued that God is transgender.


My position in religion is that God is genderless, but also can assume form of any gender.

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#63 •••
@SatanLucy

God had to be male if he impregnated Mary according to the Bible. But God can assume and gender he wished because he is all powerful.

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#64 •••
@Debby

We're not talking about Mormonism.


God did it spiritually.

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#65 •••
@SomeDebatePerson

Read the Bible. How Mary got pregnant by God.

verses Luke 1:26-38, Matthew 1:18-25, Matthew 1:20, Luke 1:37.

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#66 •••
@Debby

No mention of genitalia

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#67 •••
@SomeDebatePerson

The Bible is a sacred book and not the usual porn stuff you read.

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#68 •••
@Debby

Exactly.


Except maybe Ezekiel 23:19-21.

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#69 •••
@Debby

The bible is so good there must be some sex stuff in there.

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#70 •••
@UmbrellaCorp

The only sex in the Bible is about reproduction. All other type of sex are punishable.

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#71 •••
@Debby


Debby wrote:
…from a human rights and many scientific viewpoints, gender identity is an internal sense of self, not merely a choice that can be willed into existence. While some religious or philosophical views may differ, the prevailing understanding is that a person's gender identity is a deeply personal and often innate aspect of their being, which they have the right to express and have affirmed by others. 


I acknowledge that many state that gender identity is an internal sense of self that is innate, however, the fact that there are some scientific viewpoints that think it is innate doesn’t mean that proves it is. Currently, many scientists and researchers have come up with different views on the matter, with some disagreeing with gender identity being innate, and some agreeing to it being innate. Whether it’s natural has not been found to be definitive. There are still many things that need to be thought of and addressed first, one of them being the fact that not everyone has this sense of a gender identity. They don’t feel womanly or manly or nonbinary or anything, they just are. The other major aspect that needs to be discussed is the fact that the gender incongruence isn’t considered the disorder part, the gender dysphoria is, so that essentially makes it harder to find out whether the gender identity and the gender dysphoria that sometimes comes along with it is innate or caused by something biologically/neurologically related. As far as I’m aware (and correct me if i’m wrong), the only scientific studies that have happened in regards to gender identity (that I know of) being somewhat biological was the MRI scan study, and this study is heavily criticized for leaving out important aspects such as whether the individuals being tested were on certain hormones, were homosexual (sexual attraction wise, not gender), etc. If you are referring to the scientific studies on gene variation in transgender individuals, while some scientists think that this gene variation they have found is something that gives reason to why gender dysphoria is caused, they are still unsure about this factor. Not to mention the fact that it has already been found that neurodiversity such as Autism, ADHD, etc. is extremely prevalent. From the research that I have done into these studies, a lot of them do not take into account many things, and the majority are only theories that have not been proven or disproven, so there isn’t necessarily a scientific viewpoint that does lean towards gender identity being something innate. Of course, that doesn’t rule out the possibility, but evidence leans more philosophical/psychological than anything, especially considering the gender roles and the way society treats certain sexes based on their scales of masculinity or femininity. These roles can cause many to feel they are not ‘man’ or ‘woman’ enough, as seen with the rising increase of detransitioners and their experiences they often share with the world. That begs the question of whether the gender identity in itself is something that is truly universally deeply internal and personal. It doesn’t completely rule out that the gender identity could be internal to some, but it’s still something to think about. Then there’s also the aspect that gender dysphoria can also shows up as a symptom of something else rather than just a simple diagnosis for those with gender incongruence (for instance, sexual assault victims may experience gender dysphoria due to the trauma they experienced, or an Autistic child may feel overwhelmed during puberty due to all the new sensations it brings to the table, causing some sort of gender dysphoria), making it relatively hard to conclude on whether or not it is naturally caused by biological/neurological factors. However, I am not a biologist, geneticist, or anything along the lines of that, I am simply observing the information at hand, so if I am incorrect on something, feel free to point it out and correct me. So, I guess the point is, there are not any scientific consensuses that accept nor deny that gender identity is something innately internal, as the research is rather unclear.

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#72 •••
@ContextMatters

I dont support trans people anymore, because they are mean.

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#73 •••
@SatanLucy

Honestly, I understand. I am very gender critical myself and oppose trans/gender ideology. The majority of transgender people (not all, but most) often resort to insults and personal attacks rather than the actual argument. I have yet to find someone actually willing to have a discussion about this topic and open their mind to the critique of this topic, which is why I am gender critical in the first place.

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#74 •••
@SatanLucy

Transgender people are not mean, they just don’t like gender critical feedback.

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