I support trans people, because I oppose slavery

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@SatanLucy
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#32 •••
@RemyBrown

From experience they know where the conversation is leading to when you start with pronouns.

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#33 •••
@Debby

All that's fine in the abstract, but reality is that gender is not a personal choice, but determined by fundamental genetics at conception. No therapy, no psychology, and no surgery will change it, because the imprint is in every cell in the body, and that is outside the scope of any of those treatments.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#34 •••
@fauxlaw

I agree in the main.


Though as I see it "reality" is as reality does, and recent and current trends concerning the identity of the self are real enough in that context.


Homosexuality for example which crops up in the Bible, is certainly not a recent manifestation, and by that I do not mean the manifestation of a physical/sexual act, but rather, the underlying concept and therefore the reality of the concept which underpins the act.

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#35 •••
@Debby
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#36 •••
@fauxlaw

The assertion that "gender is a personal choice" is a complex topic with varying perspectives, but from a human rights and many scientific viewpoints, gender identity is an internal sense of self, not merely a choice that can be willed into existence. While some religious or philosophical views may differ, the prevailing understanding is that a person's gender identity is a deeply personal and often innate aspect of their being, which they have the right to express and have affirmed by others. 





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#37 •••
@SatanLucy

What are you doing to oppose your very self being a slave to the system daily?

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#38 •••
@Shoresy

I support de-conversion therapy for transgender and LGB. If they desire to remove these disorders , I won't work to hinder that.

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#39 •••
@melcharaz

Who do you serve and does it make slavery a neutral vehicle?

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#40 •••
@Mal
What are you doing to oppose your very self being a slave to the system daily?


Nothing, it is impossible to live without resources. We are all slaves to resources, in a sense.

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#41 •••
@Debby

Why must a choice made by one be affirmed by others? I have no thought whatsoever that I feel must be affirmed even by those closest to me, let alone strangers. Gender is simply, scientifically, not a matter of choice, period, regardless what a person feels. There are expressed gender differences and, regardless of what a person thinks and feels about themselves, the scientific facto of their generytict is absolute. It is the mind that wanders elsewhere, and, though "mind over matter" is a common maxim, and, in many respects, it is true, but not in the case of gender. It's like eye color, In reality, it is what its, and making it different is an artificial means of change. So is hormone treatment, psycho-babble and surgery to alter gender.

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We tell God what to do and then blame Him for our errors.

- Dr. Pet Dragon of Sorbonne University

#42 •••
@Mal

I serve one who created me and tells me who i am.


I serve the one who died for me when i was his enemy and worthy of punishment.


I serve the one who saved me from addiction, suicide and loneliness. One who isnt dictated by my feelings or my thoughts.


I serve the Lord Jesus Christ.


And i am gladly his slave and his prisoner, as well as his brother, and a son of God.

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#43 •••

https://www.ese-hormones.org/media/ei0psrhz/transgender-brains-are-more-like-their-desired-gender-from-an-early-age.pdf

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#44 •••
@melcharaz

You are just his follower.

Yes, people who accept Jesus as the Son of God and believe in his teachings are called his followers, and this term is also synonymous with being a Christian.This acceptance typically involves confessing sins, recognizing Jesus' authority as Lord, believing in his death and resurrection, and making a commitment to obey his commands and live according to his principles. 





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#45 •••
@Debby

I Am not Just his follower. Do not assert what i am in christ. Or there will be no more discussions between us.

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#46 •••
@melcharaz

We can only go with what you say as a Christian.

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#47 •••
@melcharaz

What you think you are, perhaps.


As far as we know "Christ" AKA Jesus, AKA the son of a GOD, AKA GOD personified etc etc. Was the bastard son of a loose woman and an unknown father, who later became a cult leader and was eventually executed for his crimes.


Other theories are somewhat more speculative.


Could have been a super-intelligent extra-terrestrial, but stories suggest that he wasn't especially intelligent.


What you follow is what you have chosen to invest your ideas in...Some people choose sport, some people choose gardening, some people choose politics, some people choose base jumping and some people choose a religion....Which is all a part of life's rich tapestry.


I wake, then do stuff, and then go to sleep again, and if there is a GOD, I'm certain that it would be fine with that....It probably thinks that church type stuff is amusing but unnecessary...But hey, gotta fill the spaces in between the dreams doing something...Enjoy Malcharaz


Choice thoughts, not an assertion.



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#48 •••
@SergeantLynch

Your knowledge of Jesus is from his humble beginnings till he got exalted as God.

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#49 •••
@Debby

Or, until he got executed.


As I stated, other theories are somewhat more speculative.

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#50 •••
@SergeantLynch


Yes, the crucifixion of Jesus occurred in 1st-century Judea, a historical event confirmed by the New Testament gospels and non-Christian sources like the Roman historian Tacitus and the Jewish historian Josephus. He was arrested, sentenced by Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, and executed by crucifixion, a common Roman punishment, around 30 or 33 CE.  




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#51 •••
@Debby

1st century Roman Empire.


Regional land divisions had and still have a tendency to be contentious, speculative and troublesome.

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#52 •••
@SergeantLynch

The status of Jesus is no longer debated. Christianity has over 2 billion followers.

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#53 •••
@Debby

Hmmmm.


I'm always happy to debate the status of a the character referred to as Jesus.


Plus, that leaves another 6.25 billion who also don't share your confidence.


The majority has it.

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#54 •••
@SergeantLynch

The number is closer to 3 billion. These figures are often used to emphasize the need for continued missionary work with many organizations aiming to bring the message of the gospel to these unreached areas.

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#55 •••
@Debby

Well, I doubt such statistics, based upon the fact that I am probably a statistic.


Splashing water on a babies head is meaningless and often remains so for the individual being abused.


Also the assumption that Nationhood might dictate an individuals ideological status, is a tad arrogant.

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#56 •••
@SergeantLynch

The fact that even Muslims today are converting to Christianity shows how fluid the situation is. Jesus is known throughout the world through the Bible and churches and Christian missionaries. The number of believers keep changing daily.

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#57 •••
@Debby

Yep, human mentality is such.


Though when it comes to establishing the facts of the matter, it doesn't matter if 8.2 billion convert and/or believe.


Because when it comes to establishing facts, belief is a futile exercise.



So everyone believes that GOD/Jesus is real...So what and And then what?


We await it's return I suppose, and in the meantime carry on with the old singing and praying stuff that such a clever omni-bloke demands.

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#58 •••

I support trans people getting therapy to treat their delusion and disorder.


Unfortunately, such therapy is outlawed where I live as far as I know. Your best bet is specifically sending them to a Christian-based counselling service that will at least avoid directly affirming the trans identity as fast.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#59 •••

Are you saying you have to travel out of state for your treatment. It is a two stage treatment as your fingers suggests.

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#60 •••
@SatanLucy

Whether you reject or support trans people is completely fine.

The arguments you made in the OP are logically sound on their own, even if there are rebuttals.


There is nothing wrong with Greatful's argument either. If that theory about the delusion has merit, then it warrants some consideration.

But his suggestion seems slightly inconsistent with his religious beliefs.

As he has argued that God is transgender.

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