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muslims were already bless with land and oil reserves.

Key Facts on Middle Eastern Oil Reserves:

1. Significant Portion: The Middle East holds nearly half (around 50%) of the world's remaining recoverable oil and gas reserves.
2. Top Countries: Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) are major players, consistently ranking globally for their huge reserves.
3. Geological Advantage: The region's unique ancient marine environments created vast underground oil reservoirs, preserved by stable geology.
4. Major Fields: Massive fields like Ghawar in Saudi Arabia contribute significantly to these reserves. 

In Summary: The statement is largely accurate in highlighting the disproportionate concentration of oil reserves in Arab nations, even if the exact 2/3 figure varies slightly by source and definition, with figures often placing their share at over 50%

muslims were already bless with land and oil reserves.

LOL but they didn't know that , did they? Certainly not before the unbeliever discovered it, and taught them how to extract it and refine in. That had nothing to do with "Allah" at all.

You are absolutely shite at following a conversation, aren't you? " Debby"

Muslims generate wealth in every country, both in Muslim-majority nations and as minority communities

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Global Muslim Wealth

Globally, the total liquid wealth held by Muslims (individuals, institutions, and governments) is estimated at over $11.5 trillion. While Muslims do not yet share global wealth proportionate to their share of the global population, their contribution is substantial, and a significant proportion of this wealth is actually located and generated outside of Muslim-majority nations. 

Wealth Generation by Region

1. Muslim-Majority Nations: Countries in the Middle East, particularly the Gulf states, manage a significant portion of global sovereign wealth funds, largely due to natural resource exports like oil and natural gas. The combined GDP of the 57 member states of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) was approximately $24.183 trillion (at PPP) in 2024, contributing a substantial share to the world's total economic output.
2. Non-Muslim-Majority Nations: Muslims living as minorities in countries such as the United States, India, Russia, and the United Kingdom also generate considerable wealth. For example, a report estimated that British Muslims generate £70 billion a year for the UK economy through income, business, and charitable giving. 

Mechanisms of Wealth Generation

Muslims generate wealth through a variety of means, often adhering to Islamic (Shari'ah-compliant) principles that emphasize ethical practices, the prohibition of interest (riba), and social responsibility. Key mechanisms include: 

1. Entrepreneurship and Business: Many Muslim families build significant generational wealth through family businesses and entrepreneurial ventures in various sectors.
2. Islamic Finance: The Islamic finance industry is a rapidly growing, $3.9 trillion industry with institutions operating in over 80 countries, including non-Muslim nations. This includes Islamic banking, Takaful (insurance), Sukuk (Islamic bonds), and Shari'ah-compliant investment funds (Halal investing).
3. Professional Careers: Muslims contribute across all professional fields, with a number of Muslim individuals appearing on lists of the world's wealthiest people.
4. Natural Resources: Many Muslim-majority nations have large natural resource reserves (oil, gas, minerals) that generate immense national wealth managed by governments and state-owned entities. 

In summary, the generation of wealth by Muslims is a global phenomenon, driven by individual effort, community networks, and a growing, dedicated Islamic finance industry.

Well as far as this conversation goes, it matters not what their wealth is now. They didn't have a pot to piss in before Western Civilisation stepped in, and that is my point. It wasn't "Allah" that got them out of tents and mud huts practically overnight to living in palaces, it was scientific knowledge from the West..

And they need to remember , that as quick Scientific West elevated them from tents and mud huts to Palaces, the Scientific West can send the right back there!.

Muslims were pivotal scientific scholars, especially during the Islamic Golden Age (c. 8th-15th centuries)

, making massive original contributions and preserving ancient knowledge in mathematics (algebra, trigonometry), medicine (hospitals, surgery, disease understanding), astronomy (mapping, optics), chemistry (scientific method, terms like alcohol), and more, laying foundations for the European Renaissance and modern science through rigorous experimentation and translation. 

Key Contributions & Figures:

1. Mathematics: al-Khwarizmi, whose work gave us "algebra," and al-Battani advanced algebra, trigonometry, and Arabic numerals.
2. Optics & Physics: Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) is considered the "first true scientist," pioneering the scientific method, optics (vision theory), and mechanics, notes Wikipedia.
3. Medicine: Al-Razi (Rhazes) identified smallpox and measles; hospitals with wards and specialized staff emerged; and terms like 'alcohol' (from al-kuhl) are Arabic.
4. Astronomy: al-Biruni accurately estimated Earth's radius; scholars mapped stars, useful for determining the Qibla (prayer direction).
5. Chemistry: Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber) is linked to the scientific method, introducing terms like 'alchemy,' 'elixir,' and 'alkali'.
6. Engineering/Flight: Abbas ibn Firnas experimented with flight. 

Why it Flourished:

1. Religious Mandate: The Quran encouraged seeking knowledge and observing nature as signs of the Creator.
2. Translation Movement: Scholars translated and synthesized vast amounts of Greek, Roman, Persian, and Indian texts into Arabic in centers like Baghdad, creating a knowledge hub.
3. Cultural Exchange: The vast, diverse Islamic Empire fostered an environment where people of different backgrounds shared and built upon ideas. 

This era provided crucial scientific knowledge and methodologies that were later transmitted to Europe, fueling the European Scientific Revolution and Renaissance. 

Muslims were pivotal scientific scholars, especially during the Islamic Golden Age (c. 8th-15th centuries)

LOL. They might well have been on the way to being among the greatest scientific nations on earth...... until Muhamad came along. Then look what happened. He rejected even simple reasoning. Western politicians are quick do dispel the blatant and obvious backward thinking and nature of Islam by telling us about "the golden age of Islam".

But the problem with that bullshit is that the so called " golden age" was not brought about by Muslims as there were simply no such thing as Islam. And the only knowledge Muslims are commanded to seek are the "wisdom " of Allah.

I see you are engaging in another subject that you know very little about.

And I shall repeat

 Those Islamic countries you like to mention didn't have a pot to piss in before Western Civilisation stepped in, and that is my point. It wasn't "Allah" that got them out of tents and mud huts practically overnight to living in palaces, it was scientific knowledge from the West..

And they need to remember , that as quick Scientific West elevated them from tents and mud huts to Palaces, the Scientific West can send the right back to the 14th century any time it chooses to do so. And just as quick.

Islamic civilization made foundational and transformative contributions, preserving ancient knowledge (Greek, Indian, Mesopotamian), developing algebra, algorithms, advanced medicine (hospitals, surgery, pharmacology), optics, and the scientific method, which significantly advanced global science and paved the way for the European Renaissance. Key figures like Al-Khwarizmi(algebra) and Avicenna (medicine) led this Golden Age of Islamic Science. 

Key Contributions

1. Mathematics:
2. Developed algebra (from "al-jabr"), algorithms (from Al-Khwarizmi's name).
3. Introduced and perfected the use of Hindu-Arabic numerals, including the concept of zero, crucial for modern computation.
4. Made advances in trigonometry, geometry, and number theory.
5. Medicine:
6. Established early hospitals and systematic medical training.
7. Described diseases like smallpox and measles.
8. Developed pharmacology, creating new drugs and standardized preparation methods (distillation, crystallization).
9. Pioneered surgical techniques, tools (mortars, flasks, vials), and empirical observation.
10. Scientific Method:
11. Emphasized empirical observation, experimentation, and inductive reasoning, forming the basis for modern science.
12. Preservation & Transmission:
13. Translated and preserved vast amounts of Greek, Indian, and Persian scientific texts, preventing their loss and transmitting them to Europe. 

Context

1. Islamic scholars built upon, synthesized, and expanded knowledge from diverse ancient civilizations (Greeks, Indians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians).
2. This period, known as the Islamic Golden Age, was a critical bridge between classical antiquity and the European Renaissance, fueling scientific progress worldwide. 

You lost..... again Accept it.

Your lack of education is showing.

muslims were advanced after embracing Islam.

Historical evidence confirms that during the 

Islamic Golden Age (roughly 8th to 14th centuries), the Islamic world was a global hub for science, medicine, mathematics, and philosophy. Scholars in Baghdad, Cairo, Cordoba, and other centers translated and built upon classical knowledge from Greek, Persian, and Indian sources, making significant advancements that laid the foundation for the European Renaissance and modern scientific methods. 

Key contributions and areas of impact include:

1. Mathematics and Algebra: The Persian mathematician Al-Khwarizmi (9th century) developed algebra, and his work introduced the concept of algorithms, crucial for computing. The adoption and transmission of Hindu-Arabic numerals (including zero) to Europe was also a critical contribution.
2. Medicine and Surgery: Hospitals with wards and teaching centers were established in Egypt as early as the 9th century. Ibn Sina (Avicenna) wrote the Canon of Medicine, a standard text for centuries, while Al-Zahrawi (Abulcasis) pioneered surgical instruments and techniques, such as the use of dissolving catgut for stitches.
3. Optics and Physics: Ibn al-Haytham (Alhazen) is considered a founder of modern optics and experimental science, demonstrating how light reflects off objects into the eye, debunking earlier Greek theories.
4. Astronomy and Navigation: Muslim astronomers mapped the stars, refined the astrolabe, and created tools that guided early European navigation. Many stars still bear their Arabic names.
5. Innovations: Key advancements included the production of paper, improved brewing techniques (coffee), the crank-connecting rod system (used in modern engines), and improvements in agriculture. 

Contextual Factors

1. The House of Wisdom: Located in Baghdad, this institution was a major center for translating, preserving, and expanding on global knowledge.
2. Diversity of Scholars: The "Islamic" label refers to the civilization, not just the religion; contributors included Persians, Christians, Jews, and Arabs.
3. Decline: The scientific boom began to decline around the 14th to 16th centuries due to factors like political instability, the Mongol invasions, and shifts in institutional focus. 

While some scholars argue that early Muslim thinkers laid the foundations for the modern scientific method, others emphasize that modern science was a culmination of contributions from many global cultures, later accelerated by the European scientific revolution.