Islam vs Atheism debate invitatiom

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Inspired by a Shoresy post and many brainwashed people inside my religion, I shall offer anyone truly adept at knowing Islamic scriptures and culture to debate me: is Islam better than atheism, for the believer's psyche and soul?


I will be Con. You must be Pro. It cannot flip around. You need to prove it not just negate. I will carefully explain why Islam is in fact as bad or worse.


I am a believer that Muhammad was a/the key antichrist and that we already are in the post-antichrist warring phase of Christian scripture.


This is not meant to radicalise anyone. The Lord will fight for us, not the other way. We are not Muslims.


I want a high character count. You must defend Sunni Islam. Shi'ites evade everything by saying "na that Hadith we ditch it"

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#2 •••

Goy: "Help me God, Islam is winning against Christianity".

Goy: "Atheism is better than islam"



I will carefully explain why Islam is in fact as bad or worse


Only dumb people think explaining things counts as evidence. Evidence is what you get when smart people provide observation and deduction, not some rant.

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#3 •••

If you dont know what deduction is, this is deduction:


  1. A equals B
  2. B equals C
  3. A equals C


or:


  1. A means B
  2. B means C
  3. A means C


or


  1. A includes B
  2. B includes C
  3. A includes C



Now, as for debating what is worse, you first need to figure out what "worse" means, and what it means isnt what you think it means.

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#4 •••

Other forms of deduction are negation deduction, useful form:


  1. A equals B
  2. B equals C
  3. C doesnt equal A
  4. 1 is false.

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#5 •••

Other form of deduction is A or not A form of deduction:


  1. A or Not A
  2. Not Not A
  3. A is true


Of course, dumb people dont think in this way, in other words, dumb people dont think.

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#6 •••
@SatanLucy

What do you deduct from your own earlier post.

you posted, “Yes. My mental age doesnt match my actual age. this is why my actual age is 30, but my behavior is that of a 13 year old.”

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#7 •••
@Debby
my behavior is that of a 13 year old


Yes, 13 year old with over 9000 million IQ.

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#8 •••
@Kohai, @whiteflame

I report SatanLucy for spamming my thread, insulting me here and elsewhere and therefore harassing me intentionally trying to derail the thread.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#9 •••

He was just trying to explain what deduction was to you. It took a few attempts.

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#10 •••
@Debby
He was just trying to explain what deduction was to you. It took a few attempts.


Yes, deduction is important. It is also important to use deduction together with axioms. Deduction with unproved premises cannot be any good as unproved premises make deduction flawed.

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#11 •••
I report SatanLucy for spamming my thread, insulting me here


No one even mentioned you, however you mentioned some people and insulted them:


"Inspired by a Shoresy post and many brainwashed people inside my religion"


I can also show countless insults you spam in my threads, so if doing spam and insults is wrong, why do you do it?

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#12 •••

Here is you insulting another member in other thread:


"Please seek mental help. You are insane and a danger to society."


https://www.debatecraft.com/forum/c/politics/posts/ev/what-will-happen-to-palestine



So someone who keeps insulting another member complains that I insulted him, even tho I didnt even mention him in those comments.

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#13 •••
@whiteflame

And tell us what that member said. That will ascertain if my reply was uncalled for.


I add cross thread contamination to my report on him.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

#14 •••
@Kohai, @whiteflame

I report user satanlucy for harassment of me.

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The US is a definitively secular nation, founded on complete separation of the State and religion. The Left Wing of US realise this but don't realise that pure freedom requires as low tax and free access to guns as possible. The Right Wing of US don't realise that secular pure freedom means the LGBTQ+ and abortion agendas both end up in line with US's liberty-first ethos.

It is left-wing to be pro-life. You are backing poor babies being born at the inconvenience of the already-born. Go figure.

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Wait why is my thread involved?


Also i believe islam to be more violent and therefore worse than atheism.

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Vast majority of Muslims reject violence: Numerous polls and studies show that the overwhelming majority of Muslims worldwide condemn violence against civilians. For example, a 2011 survey found that 86% of U.S. Muslims believe suicide bombings are rarely or never justified.


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#17 •••
@Debby

"Rarely or never justified".


Hmmmmmmm.


Which is it, rarely or never?

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#18 •••

Its nonsense either way. The quran commands them to be violent. Here is an example of someone relying on data, instead of understanding religion.


Difference is shia attack openly, sunnis conquer first then divide through sharia.

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#19 •••

Humans command and a book is just a book.


And if everyone wore the same badge, do you think that they would all be content?

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#20 •••

Muslims have different strategies for success. You just outlined two of them.

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#21 •••
@Debby



@Debby "He was just trying to explain what deduction was to you. It took a few attempts" .#9


But didn't he say


@SatanLucy"Only dumb people think explaining things counts as evidence".#2 ?

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#22 •••
@Debby

 @Debby "Muslims have different strategies for success. You just outlined two of them".


They do, it's usually the sword. The sword gained Muslims 5 of the worlds largest empires. I'm pretty confident that the Muslim hoards weren't just invited into those conquered lands or welcomed with open arms.

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#23 •••
@Stephen

Muslim strategies for success 

blend spiritual discipline with practical action, focusing on aligning life with Islamic principles (Quran & Sunnah) through sincere intentions, consistent prayer (Salat), gratitude, patience (Sabr), and good deeds, while balancing worldly ambitions with the ultimate goal of pleasing Allah (SWT) for success in both this life (Dunya) and the Hereafter (Akhirah). Key habits include self-reflection, seeking knowledge, planning, building strong community ties, and relying on Allah (Tawakkul) after taking necessary worldly steps. 

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#24 •••
@Debby
with the ultimate goal of pleasing Allah

And nothing pleases Allah more than submission, world domination and to fight the unbeliever until all religion is for Allah.


And the aim of the goal appears to be going just fine for Allah and the boys.

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#25 •••
@Stephen

The Muslims were dealt the winning hand.

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#26 •••
@Debby
The Muslims were dealt the winning hand.


You may well be onto something there? Muslims seem to agree with you, I just think it remains to be seen.

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#27 •••
@Stephen

While Judaism and Christianity are divided over how many Gods there are Muslims stand behind their single God Allah.

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#28 •••
@Debby
While Judaism and Christianity are divided over how many Gods.



They mat well be divided but that well may well be because the bible is a contradictory classical mess and Christians are well known for contradicting what their ow book clearly states. And who can blame them? And those "Scholars" you keep mentioning ( which I shall look at Soon) have been arguing over the OT and NT for millennia.


Muslims stand behind their single God Allah.


Who doesn't seem to have done them any favours since they created him. You are talking about a people that believe "Allah" gave them victory over two of the world super powers - yes, I know, but let us not laugh.






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#29 •••
@Stephen

Based on demographic projections by the 

Pew Research Center, Muslims are projected to outnumber Christians globally around the year 2070, if current demographic trends continue. 

Key Projections and Driving Factors

  1. Near Parity by 2050: By the middle of the 21st century (around 2050), the number of Muslims worldwide is projected to nearly equal the number of Christians (approximately 2.8 billion Muslims and 2.9 billion Christians).
  2. Faster Growth Rate: Islam is the world's fastest-growing major religion. Between 2010 and 2050, the global Muslim population is projected to grow by 73%, compared to 35% for Christians.
  3. Highest Fertility Rate: The primary driver of this growth is the high fertility rate among Muslims (an average of 3.1 children per woman), which is well above the replacement level (2.1) and higher than the Christian rate (2.7 children per woman).
  4. Younger Population: Muslims have a younger age distribution than other religious groups. In 2010, one-third of the Muslim population was under the age of 15, meaning a large share of adherents are entering their prime childbearing years.
  5. Births vs. Deaths: Muslim births are expected to outnumber Christian births by around 2035. While Christianity is growing in some regions like sub-Saharan Africa, Christians in other areas, particularly Europe, are older and dying at a faster rate than Muslims. 

Important Considerations

The Pew Research Center studies emphasize that these are projections based on existing data and trends, and various unpredictable factors could alter these trajectories: 

  1. War, famine, disease, economic shifts, or political changes are all factors that could impact population dynamics.
  2. Rates of religious conversion (which currently have a minimal net impact on the global Muslim population but result in a net loss for Christianity) could change.
  3. The large population of religiously unaffiliated people in China could significantly affect global numbers if a large share were to formally adopt a religion. 

Overall, while Christians remain the world's largest religious group for now, demographic trends strongly indicate a future shift in the global religious landscape. 


Muslim-majority countries hold a significant portion of the world's oil reserves and production, especially in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, UAE, Kuwait), giving them substantial influence, but 

they don't exclusively "control" it, as major producers like the U.S., Russia, and China are non-Muslim, and oil is a global resource found everywhere. The concentration of oil in the Muslim world has significantly shaped global economics and politics, creating powerful oil-exporting states, but production and ownership are diverse, with non-Muslim nations also being major players. 

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@Debby
outnumber Christians globally around the year 2070, if current demographic trends continue. 


I agree. and I am sure that every person in the West has worked this out for themselves as much as our own Western government like to ignore it.



Muslim-majority countries hold a significant portion of the world's oil reserves and production, especially in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, UAE, Kuwait), giving them substantial influence, but 
they don't exclusively "control" it, as major producers like the U.S., Russia, and China are non-Muslim, and oil is a global resource found everywhere. The concentration of oil in the Muslim world has significantly shaped global economics and politics, creating powerful oil-exporting states, but production and ownership are diverse, with non-Muslim nations also being major players. 


Indeed. And they believe it was all a gift from Allah. Even though it was Western civilisation that discovered their liquid gold and taught them how to distract it and refine it.


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