Solo Leveling - DP2

https://www.debatecraft.com/mafia/c/active-games/posts/3l/solo-leveling-mafia---dp1?commentId=69cea7829bc71fa86514cb72

Ya this post specifically says only one part is confirmable. Motivator is also confirmable

I'm done with DP1. For fucks sake there was close to 0 value in the last 500 posts. I'm still sitting on Alyssa as mafia. I think the airmax slot is also mafia, without having heard from the replacement yet. If Alyssa flips scum Banana is town, along with I think Rex and Wryly if I'm remembering posts correctly. Basically people who scumread both Thoth and Alyssa before the Thoth wagon got inevitable.

Thoth distancing from Alyssa is also weird, because it makes the pairing more obvious. It would lead me to think that maybe it's a frame job, but why frame someone who people already think is linked to you? Thoth doesn't seem high enough level to do it as a way to exonerate Alyssa, so I'm not going to read too deeply into it.

The fatigue generated from wading through so much spam and pointless posting for the sake of "using the entire DP" feels like more than I care to deal with given the water heater situation I'm already dealing with, but I'll start working on DP2 anyway. If we continue to spam and drag out this game the way we did DP1 you are going to lose me before the game ends.

To expand on the airmax slot being scum. Part of it is mod psych, but I won't get into that. Part of it is Alyssa's defense of Thoth, assuming she is scum. Alyssa is too good to defend an obviously caught scummate, especially so desperately. I think scum!Alyssa only acts the way she did if she feels she has to. That indicates desperation. Going from 4 mafia to 3 DP1 is not cause for desperation. But if your team is inactive, or worse, mia? That calls for desperation and trying to save the ones who are still contributing. Savvy?

Another note is that Alyssa went from calling me Tim to calling me Mestari when I started scum reading her. She didn't acknowledge my scum reads, which is fair because I withheld my reasoning and simple commented that she was scum. However, the simple shallow comments were enough for her to switch from referring to me by my name to realizing the game is on and calling me by my username.

An important question while I catch up. Alyssa, is your role such that you cancel the vote at the normal vote count, and then become popular, or was it just 1x lunch proof?

Also, why did it matter if a powerrole got active for you to use your other power? What's the problem with targeting someone you town read and if they don't get recruited, oh well? Why not target me?

wdym elaborate? lol it's as simple as I gave. The dude hid all DP, only to not have a thought on the most talked about person, who just flipped scum

 I think the airmax slot is also mafia, without having heard from the replacement yet. If Alyssa flips scum Banana is town,

why?

wdym elaborate? lol it's as simple as I gave. The dude hid all DP, only to not have a thought on the most talked about person, who just flipped scum

Fair enough

Vote Count 

Alyssa 6/9 - wylted, luna,, shining , alyssa, kohai, Vader

Awesome 1/9 - helz

To expand on the airmax slot being scum. Part of it is mod psych, but I won't get into that. Part of it is Alyssa's defense of Thoth, assuming she is scum. Alyssa is too good to defend an obviously caught scummate, especially so desperately. I think scum!Alyssa only acts the way she did if she feels she has to. That indicates desperation. Going from 4 mafia to 3 DP1 is not cause for desperation. But if your team is inactive, or worse, mia? That calls for desperation and trying to save the ones who are still contributing. Savvy?

Why mod psyche? I agree though. They were subbed in by awesome and they haven't been awesome (pun intended) yet

I think the lynch today being Alyssa is a given. Not even a peep from her in a while.

The questions is who to pursue after

I’m fine getting claims from Awesome, Shining, and Casey

I’m fine getting claims from Awesome, Shining, and Casey

Agreed

#396, #399

New players probably won't understand. No offense. The setup was not randomized. I'm probably dying tonight because, as Thoth was told by his partners, I'm too much of a threat. With that said I'll admit that my character is myself. My role was handcrafted for me based on my play style and actions in past games. The value this role has varies from near useless in the hands of a noob and gamebreaking if either of the guild leaders were savvy enough to recruit me. What this means is that Mikal had in mind who he wanted on each team. If there's a TP, it's an experienced player and probably a DDO player. There a certain set of players of which I imagine 2 have to be mafia. TUF, Wylted, and Myself are town. That leaves a minimal group of people who I believe have to be mafia.

tomorrow we need to get claims out of a handful of people. Shining for sure. Also Helz and Pie.

I don't hate getting Awesome's claim

Sorry about the water heater, dude, sounds like a pain in the ass.

If Alyssa flips scum Banana is town, along with I think Rex and Wryly if I'm remembering posts correctly. Basically people who scumread both Thoth and Alyssa before the Thoth wagon got inevitable.

Basically agree. I'm already townreading Banana and Rex, and that would push Wryly over the line.

To expand on the airmax slot being scum. Part of it is mod psych, but I won't get into that. Part of it is Alyssa's defense of Thoth, assuming she is scum. Alyssa is too good to defend an obviously caught scummate, especially so desperately. I think scum!Alyssa only acts the way she did if she feels she has to. That indicates desperation. Going from 4 mafia to 3 DP1 is not cause for desperation. But if your team is inactive, or worse, mia? That calls for desperation and trying to save the ones who are still contributing. Savvy?

That's a fair point, especially given Thoth's flip. Like I said before, I think the Ant Queen and King are the ones to be most concerned about, so scum have likely retained their best PRs. If she felt the need to go to bat for him, then scum had limited options.

Why helz?

1081 Dp1

You can chew on rocks if you think your getting me to claim : P

Btw, Whats up with this weird focus on getting claims? What happened to actual hunting and giving reads?

Please full claim

With characters mattering, there's an element of solving the game via theme. With roles you can solve on structure. Also with the history of this community, people are really bad at fake claiming.

part of our meta

tldr you get a claim so you know what you're lynching before you lynch

for example, a strong pr would be enough to say you got the person wrong

now mafia can try and fake claim something like cop, but as more people claim, eventually town realizes there's too many investigatives to be true. at which point it goes back to behavior. and furthermore CCs can happen.

at which point it goes back to behavior.

well behavior always plays a role. But talking about a mafioso who got temp cleared off a cop claim.

now mafia can try and fake claim something like cop, but as more people claim, eventually town realizes there's too many investigatives to be true. at which point it goes back to behavior. and furthermore CCs can happen.

This. And half of our game solves are because mafia’s claims are blatantly obvious like Thoth.

I get why its done. I just think there is a time and a place. Early D1 we had people shoving for flavor claims which has massive PR hunting implications and very little scum hunting value at best. Early D2 we have people giving lists of demands for full mech claims and discussions on forcing a total mass claim D3.

Im just saying- I get why it holds value but this is kinda excessive and way too fast. I think we should be shoving people for reads and not claims right now 100%.

Still working on that post and I apologize if its a monstrosity. The formatting tools I have are limited.

p#261 @lunatic

i disagree here tbh, but i like the way of thinking

is this alyssa the same as alyssa the lamb from MU or does she play anywhere else

p#285

i clarified it in a later post

it's a bit angly but i think that's allowed on this site

anyway i don't really like this post from rexfav tbh

@IsraeliAwesome

I feel like scum!Alyssa would be more likely to not tell anyone that part of her ability, have town run her up minutes before EoD (because people always don't want to end day early), and hope there's not enough people to run her up again

We know that part of her role is true although

don't everyone's roles only work upon recruitment? so if that is the case then she is outed

p#340

this post is also kinda bad lmao