Solo Leveling - Day phase 3

TvT is totally possible. My issue here is looking at how and why Pie did what they did. They overtly lied demanding information declaring that it was critical to their confirmation and now it looks like it has nothing to do in any way to confirm their alignment.

They also declared that they are confirmed. Cool, Lets hear someone step up and say "Yeah, I am of whatever guild and the person killed was not the guild owner and instead Pie was the OG confirmed town player" That solves everything right there.

Then they want to lynch Rex? Wut? They must reveal their guild mates or be killed over the absolutely absurd role claim everyone thinks is scummy because... Uhhh... They think a peek is wrong on a player they already voiced they thought was not lying but they are willing to kill them?

Are you guys not seeing this nonsense? This narrative screams scummy imo.

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I could see an OMGUS counter push. But when you say "I think the dude is not lying" and position for a "Well I need to know who your guild members are to vet if there was bad faith actors" turning around and saying "Lets kill the guy" is just awful in every way. Just think about it.

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Guild leaders are confirmed town… Unless there is a direct CC, the OP says this. Mechanically unless CC or it’s a bastard game, Pie has to be town

Because they both have to win with town and if they have scum in their guild from there recruited they lose. We’ve just gotten really lucky and hit 2 scum and guilds can afford mislynches at this stage to cement their win con they might have

I think the guild has the wincon but I really don’t know at this point.

is it really more likly to be a weird wincon vs tigers having a scum in there chat who tried to setup pie as a frame target? ig i just don't understand why your conspiracy theery is more likely than scum existing in a guild

Ok goodnight for real lol

we just want him to tell us who his guild is so we cant find the other scum. they are only talking about a policy lynch if rex remains stubborn. also i will not policy lynch him, but i am helping with the pressure because we need to know the guild

So why should it be on the non-suspected individual to reveal their guild and not on the person claiming they can be confirmed (which would happen if just 1 person voiced "Yes, I was there and when dude was killed they were not the guild leader"

Also, why should Rex be killed over shining? Huge question mark there.

TvT is totally possible. My issue here is looking at how and why Pie did what they did. They overtly lied demanding information declaring that it was critical to their confirmation and now it looks like it has nothing to do in any way to confirm their alignment.

Y do u keep glossing over the clearly stated reasn for pie asking rex? he wanted to know if the info about rex's target was shared before the investigate happened.

They also declared that they are confirmed. Cool, Lets hear someone step up and say "Yeah, I am of whatever guild and the person killed was not the guild owner and instead Pie was the OG confirmed town player" That solves everything right there.

anyone is welcome to claim to be the real gild leader at anytime. if that happens we lynch pie.

Then they want to lynch Rex? Wut? They must reveal their guild mates or be killed over the absolutely absurd role claim everyone thinks is scummy because... Uhhh... They think a peek is wrong on a player they already voiced they thought was not lying but they are willing to kill them?

again we dont want to lynch rex, we want to lynch the scum that is in his guild that tried to frame pie.

Are you guys not seeing this nonsense? This narrative screams scummy imo.

it really feels like u r purposefully ignoring a lot of details here

So why should it be on the non-suspected individual to reveal their guild and not on the person claiming they can be confirmed (which would happen if just 1 person voiced "Yes, I was there and when dude was killed they were not the guild leader"

if that happens at any point we can lynch pie. do u really think that is going to happen? do u really think pie will do that? we are waiting for rex for tomorrow anyway, so there is plenty of time for someone to come forward by that point.

Also, why should Rex be killed over shining? Huge question mark there.

for all we know the unknown guild member that tried to frame pie is shining. we can handle that when we find out who the guild member is. if u wanted to argue that there was some other coincidnce that pie was copped guilty i would at least understand that, but acting like u are perplexed for the reason behind it is just confusing

You are totally messing with my town read on you right now. I am open to unpacking my thoughts and letting you understand where I am coming from.

So going back into what Pie did. Its not about "Pie wanted to know this." They flatly pushed they MUST have very specific information and were confirmable if that information was given. Started out with a full role claim and evolved into a demand of if Rex told anyone their target.

Does that hold scum hunting value? Sure. But Pie 100% lied and fucked off like half a day digging in over it and it turns out that 'holy shit;' the information they were demanding meant absolutely fucking nothing in any way to confirm their slot.

Then they claim confirmed. And they are not confirmed. They need someone to step up and say "Yeah, dude was the OG Guild owner" which has not happened. As of now they have done absolutely nothing confirmable. Thats logically true.

You feel that they can be counter claimed when we have a host confirmed smite on the claimed guild leader? You do know that happened. You did see a host day smite today. What are you even on about acting like the CC needs to happen when you saw this happen this very day?

And lets unpack Pies motives. Hard pushing for claims and revealing guild members and lying about it being necessary for their defense and following up with pushing to lynch a cop claim as they flatly voice they do not even think its coming from scum because... they want guild claims? Are you not seeing this nonsense?

Feel free to let me know what I am ignoring. While you are one of my town reads I am really struggling to push how reasonable what I am looking at is.

Wait. Shining framed Pie? What did I miss there?

And why does that not make it more absurd that Pie is arguing to kill Rex?

So going back into what Pie did. Its not about "Pie wanted to know this." They flatly pushed they MUST have very specific information and were confirmable if that information was given. Started out with a full role claim and evolved into a demand of if Rex told anyone their target.

Does that hold scum hunting value? Sure. But Pie 100% lied and fucked off like half a day digging in over it and it turns out that 'holy shit;' the information they were demanding meant absolutely fucking nothing in any way to confirm their slot.

i disagree entirely. the mod told us their is 2 confirmed town, and pie is claiming one of them. unless he is countered he is confirmed.

Then they claim confirmed. And they are not confirmed. They need someone to step up and say "Yeah, dude was the OG Guild owner"

again disagree. they would pointlessly reveal themselves doing this. it makes more sense to come forward and say he isn't the OG guild owner if he is lying. if nothing is said, it confirms that he isnt lying.

You feel that they can be counter claimed when we have a host confirmed smite on the claimed guild leader? You do know that happened. You did see a host day smite today. What are you even on about acting like the CC needs to happen when you saw this happen this very day?

wylted claimed he was a king which got him killed. if you thought it was guild leader relatd then pie would die too for claiming it.

And lets unpack Pies motives. Hard pushing for claims and revealing guild members and lying about it being necessary for their defense and following up with pushing to lynch a cop claim as they flatly voice they do not even think its coming from scum because... they want guild claims? Are you not seeing this nonsense?

he is pushing for the guild member because the results rex revealed are wrong. its not that complicated. pie was set up and we need to figure out who set him up. the logical option is that someone in the tiger guild knew who rex would target and planned their action around that to make pie look guilty. they didnt account for pie being guild leader tho.

Feel free to let me know what I am ignoring.

im trying, i feel like ive been repeating myself tho and u still dont get it

While you are one of my town reads I am really struggling to push how reasonable what I am looking at is.

i had town read u before this too, and now im just trying to decide if you are acting willfuly ignorant because u r scum, or if you are just actually missing the point. if its the second one we can fix that hopefully by explaining it to u. maybe i am not as good with my words as others and they can explain it better, but it makes sense 2 me

Wait. Shining framed Pie? What did I miss there?

we dont know! im saying its possible that shining is the guild member that framed pie.

And why does that not make it more absurd that Pie is arguing to kill Rex?

we just want information from rex on his guild. we dont want to kill rex. the only way rex dies is if he wants to die on the hill about not giving up his team mate, which would be silly. i am not going to policy lynch him personally but i hope he decides to help town so that doesnt happen

can someone else explain this to helz better than i am? i am struggling to get the message across somehow. maybe im not good at explaining things

So here is a slightly less kind breakdown as I see it-

Rex claimed a red check as a cop on Pie. Pie declares they must have information from Rex thats critical to proving they are confirmable town. Pie wastes an entire 3/4 of a irl day hammering that Rex MUST give them information.

Pie then claims being a guild owner. In no way did the information they demanded or all the time they wasted have any impact in the slightest impact on if Pie was town. It was just pushing for info that had scum benefit.

Suddenly thats forgotten about? Why? Why are we pretending like them stalling and acting like they had to have this information that did not connect in any way with their claim was in any way reasonable? They straight up lied and wasted the time of the town.

Now they claim the OG guild leader. Ok.. Lets verify that. We can do so easily and move on. Its not verified and nothing they have done so far has shown they are confirmed town. They just made a vague claim as they push for more scum aligned info declaring they need more information and are willing to lynch a cop claim they flatly said they do not think is fake because they want more info.

Someone tell me what I am missing here. Because it looks like a flailing wolf that promised they could confirm themselves yet has not delivered.

Lets unpack that again. Yes- two confirmed town exist. He claims one of them

But the counter claim is dead. They died in this day chat. The way they could be confirmed is if someone steps up and says they are actually that.

Until that happens them claiming something and not being counter claimed is not a confirmation. Its just them claiming some shit.

U r just repeating the same things over and over and over and ignoring any of the answers. u can lead a horse to water but u can't make em drink.

Objectively, logically, mechanically- That is exactly what it is. A player making an unconfirmed claim while they made this huge stink arguing they needed info they did not need wasting a ton of time on info that had absolutely nothing to do with them confirming their alignment.

Its not a question of if they lied. They did. Its a question of why and if they can not be actually confirmed they look scummy as hell.

Lets unpack that again. Yes- two confirmed town exist. He claims one of them

But the counter claim is dead. They died in this day chat. The way they could be confirmed is if someone steps up and says they are actually that

lack of someone saying this is false is equally confirmation that pie isn't lying. unless u just dont think there is another guild member in the hunters guild.

Ok, Well I do not understand what you are disagreeing with on my points. I feel I am making very clear points.

I am open to hearing what you see differently as well as understanding the points you are trying to make that I am missing.

Until that happens them claiming something and not being counter claimed is not a confirmation. Its just them claiming some shit.

do u have reason to believe a recruit was forfeited twice in a row? because no other guild members existing in that guild is the only reason why someone wouldn't counter claim him and expose him

You are missing a HUGE thing here. You are placing the burden on the counter claim being confirmation while Pie's entire thing was "I am 100% confirmed and if not I will even vote myself"

The burden is not on others to confirm that they are confirmed town. Its on them. Shifting this burden to say "Well its possible" is nonsense.

Ok, Well I do not understand what you are disagreeing with on my points. I feel I am making very clear points.

ya i get that...

I am open to hearing what you see differently as well as understanding the points you are trying to make that I am missing.

it doesnt feel like it...

Erroneous.

But I do have reason to view Pies actions as anti-town motivated and seeing absolute deception nobody can deny.

Feel free to correct me where I am wrong.