Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP2

This is the big thing go me

Is if that vanillaize portion is a lie. I basically cced him in chat cus he thought i was a mason

All these redirect roles make a much stronger case for a strengthener existing in hindsight lol

So, a dreamer. How does Pie justify that with your character?

whiteflame wrote:

Just some thoughts on how the NP could have played out given what we know.

Scum killed Kohai. Either Helz is lying about protecting him or scum used some role to pierce the protection Helz provided.

Scum Vanillaized me. If Rex is right that I visited Shining, then they either were trying to Vanillaize Shining or me, and they used some kind of redirection role on me simultaneous to that, which suggests they were trying to Vanillaize Shining. If I visited Luna as planned, they either Vanillaized Luna or me and either Rex is lying or some fuckery happened with his role.

To be fair it would be a pretty silly lie for me to make super early in the day. Any single person who visited Kohai can verify they got feedback of their actions failing. That is quite verifiable.

I told him this and have to say it here. When I walking pie questions yesterday about how my roles functions and shit.

He brought up how it would function with a bus driver. Unprompted. It does make me think lol

Hmm yeah two town redirectors would be wild, I know they function slightly differently but still.

whiteflame wrote:

My experience with the Vanillaizer role is that it doesn't function as an RB for the night it's used. It effectively just turns you Vanilla for all future nights.

I have usually seen it behind other roles in the OoO. Allowing an action but then removing future actions.

Im asking host questions about it but also one of the reasons every game my very first question to the host is what is the OoO. Got a pretty vague answer this one

Helz wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Just some thoughts on how the NP could have played out given what we know.

Scum killed Kohai. Either Helz is lying about protecting him or scum used some role to pierce the protection Helz provided.

Scum Vanillaized me. If Rex is right that I visited Shining, then they either were trying to Vanillaize Shining or me, and they used some kind of redirection role on me simultaneous to that, which suggests they were trying to Vanillaize Shining. If I visited Luna as planned, they either Vanillaized Luna or me and either Rex is lying or some fuckery happened with his role.

To be fair it would be a pretty silly lie for me to make super early in the day. Any single person who visited Kohai can verify they got feedback of their actions failing. That is quite verifiable.

So it's like an Asceticizer that comes with protection? What would pierce that?

I buy a rod and this. Just cus if hes telling the truth and thetr js a vanillaizer. From balance its more logical

Its just whether he is being honest. He ended up at shining and the onky thing in my head is pie telling me how I interact with a bus driver when I didnt even ask him that lol

From my poe. I think its likley there is bs there or there is a bus driver.

Helz wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

My experience with the Vanillaizer role is that it doesn't function as an RB for the night it's used. It effectively just turns you Vanilla for all future nights.

I have usually seen it behind other roles in the OoO. Allowing an action but then removing future actions.

Im asking host questions about it but also one of the reasons every game my very first question to the host is what is the OoO. Got a pretty vague answer this one

Yeah, I'm looking for some specific answers on OoO this time. There's a lot that has to process and the order matters.

Now that I'm thinking out loud. Could also be an outside chance rex just wants to get a lynch off since he was high prio yesterday

Think thats less likely but not implausible

Mag1cman wrote:

So, a dreamer. How does Pie justify that with your character?

To clarify, I’m asking for both your character and your justification.

Only unclaimed individuals at this point are, Banana, thoth, shining, bullish and magic. We know one of these is role confirmable as putting mikal and whiteflame in a pm together.

And Bullish being implicated on results means he at bare minimum should claim.

Only unclaimed individuals at this point are, Banana, thoth, shining, bullish and magic. We know one of these is role confirmable as putting mikal and whiteflame in a pm together.

And Bullish being implicated on results means he at bare minimum should claim.

Im not generally the "Someone should claim" guy but I do see value in whoever created the chat between Mikal / WF claiming.

They will not be giving much up and its extremely likely to be a town role imo. I do not see scum having some ability to do so with all the wild shit going on unless they function like a weird jailor.

Can I get details on what your chat is? Like is it a private discord kinda thing or is it some wild random site where someone could be watching without you knowing?

Mafia can ask me if any 2 elements exists in the game, and I will say yes or no. Furthermore, they can ask me if any 2 roles exist in the game, and I will say yes or no.

This is why i don't fully buy the deamer. If they can ask about roles. Its really easy to check and see if one is in the game and if not just run town off a cliff. Especially since casey was at l-1 and a major target

My gut is telling me

Casey wf

Or casey luna.

But as we sort out the ooe. More may reveal itself.

Basically a mason pm we didnt create

Mikal wrote:

Basically a mason pm we didnt create

I get that part.

I am asking what the chat is. If it is possible that the chat you have is in a format where you do not know who can see your posts or if its more of a secure chat like a discord or something where that is unlikely or impossible.

The implication being that if its a totally clean 1 on 1 chat I do not see how it would be possible for scum to have the role and it would clear a slot for us.

Its a discord chat

Just wf pie and myself

Going to claim as I'm going out and won't have access to Discord. I am Technetium. I'm used in medical settings to trace physiological activity through gamma radiation. Because of this, I am the tracker. Because I have no stable isotopes and am always subject to radioactive decay, I am 2x.

Mikal wrote:

Its a discord chat

Just wf pie and myself

Hmm. Not totally impossible for Pie to be feeding the chat somewhere but very unlikely imo. I think there is a very strong chance whoever made the chat is town. I am a little confused at the choice in targets but thats something we can unpack later.

Only other option I see is if there is some kinda "and" involved in the role. Like a weird complicated jailor hybrid or something. But I would support whoever has that role revealing just to narrow down the PoE.

The Casey/Luna/Mikal/Bullish pool is something of note but also not really shooting above RNG numbers to sort.

Magoroth being the town strengthener confirms that there are a bunch of anti-town redirecting roles from a balance perspective.

I either don’t have a night action or don’t choose what my target is. Naturally, Pie still pinged me to get my night actions in faster.

Wait he pinged you to get an action in but you didnt select someone?

There was nobody for me to select…

Then why is he pinging out. He pings People who submits stuff???

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Not Voting (11): Banana, Bullish, Casey_Risk, Helz, Lunatic, Mag1cman, Mikal, RexFavilla, Shining, Thoth, whiteflame

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day phase ends in 2 days, 22 hours.

I will say that Whiteflame pinged me for a night action last game just to ping everyone. I had no night action

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