Periodic Table of Elements Mafia - DP2

Who did you target last night?

Helz wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE CLAIMED NIGHT ACTIONS ALREADY

could you remind me?

Figured you knew given you were just quoting me. I’m suppose to rope block everyone and I was on the Innocent Child

Role block* phone auto correct

oh that's right.

sorry my head is spinning

whiteflame wrote:

Just seems like we don't agree on how this breaks down at all, so I'll stop here. Others can choose who they agree with, but continuing to discuss the numbers between the two of us clearly isn't getting us anywhere.

You've presented no numbers that contradict mine. If you read #465 then #469 and still can't see the plain math, then you are scum.

Mag1cman wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Mag1cman wrote:

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE CLAIMED NIGHT ACTIONS ALREADY

could you remind me?

See #369. I broke down how my night action played out there, how Mikal's did, and two unknown night actions that affected at least mine. To clarify since it might initially be unclear, my intended target was Luna.

I have a very hard time believing Shining would be a target for a vanillizer.

And I have admitted that it's significantly more likely that I was the intended target of the Vanillaizer. I'd also say it's more plausible that Luna is the Vanillaizer and was drawn to me regardless of his target.

Did you soft, or make any post saying you didn't want to claim or soft last DP?

Bullish wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Just seems like we don't agree on how this breaks down at all, so I'll stop here. Others can choose who they agree with, but continuing to discuss the numbers between the two of us clearly isn't getting us anywhere.

You've presented no numbers that contradict mine. If you read #465 then #469 and still can't see the plain math, then you are scum.

I've presented a different interpretation of how you would be perceived going into the next DP. You disagree with that interpretation. Fine. That doesn't make me scum.

Mag1cman wrote:

Did you soft, or make any post saying you didn't want to claim or soft last DP?

I don't believe I did. The closest I got was hinting that I might not survive the night in post #968, as I expected I might just pull the NK to myself, but I can't say I gave any other indication.

Why did you target Lunatic?

Mag1cman wrote:

Why did you target Lunatic?

He was my strongest townread aside from Kohai, and given that I thought Kohai would be the target of any protective roles, I defaulted to the next person I thought might be NK'd or at least messed with.

I will note that dreamer is a crazy risky claim, if even one person says they targeted you, then you're in trouble. The only saving grace is you could argue they were redirected and didn't end up hitting you. But with no knowledge of who would target you, it's not super easy to make a case for that person being redirected.

Bullish wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Just seems like we don't agree on how this breaks down at all, so I'll stop here. Others can choose who they agree with, but continuing to discuss the numbers between the two of us clearly isn't getting us anywhere.

You've presented no numbers that contradict mine. If you read #465 then #469 and still can't see the plain math, then you are scum.

I think you should slow down and drink some water. You hammering your desires on everyone is not productive. I do not get your 1v1 position or your insistence on math I disagree with but if you want people on a slot you should shove them with analysis and reasoning. Not cram it down their throat with emotion that honestly just makes it harder to read you.

My straight up read on your more recent posts is that you ended up doing Jell-O shots at a TGI Fridays a few hours ago as I struggle to pick out the reasoning and logic inbetween. No offense

ok, i got night actions figured out. trying to separate fact from fiction

Alright got some time now, ill try to lock in

Mikal wrote:

She was a prime target and was the lynch until you redirected it to mago and was on the chopping block. You are telling me there ie no conceivable way where scum claimed that when op says they can ask questions about the game?

Just blindly believe it and walk off a cliff instead if validating the resulrs and playing it safe

I didn't say there was no concievable way shes scum, but the enitre lynch on her almost happened because of her inactivity. You dont have an actual reason for her to be scum, you just keep repeating that she could be scum and therefor she should be the lynch. Makes no sense if you are town. This lynch makes a ton of sense as scum though, because a mislynch on casey validates her results, and enables you 50/50 on getting me or bullish lynched who were also on the dreamer results. You only need one mislynch at that point and can spin whatever wifom narrative to save your as and get people to vote one of the other two. If you we town you should be focused solely on the dreamer results. Being dubious of casey is one thing but straight up not being willing to consider her results are real and the consequences of mislynching her shows a decent amount of scum motivation.

Am I literally the only person who sees the value in a utility lynch when we get 2 lynched after it

Im saying its utility. Literally. It validates so much

The she could be scum is a silver lining to it and cover bases

The broader appeal is it drastically nails down poe if she flips town.

Otherwise we are holding our dicks hoping she is town after being a prime target

When we could resolve that question and cover all bases along with hitting a very specific poe that we probably have 2 day phases to resolve if she flips town

This is also wrong

It narrows down poe to you bullish or me with 2 dayphases to resolve. Why as scum would that make any sense. Id want her to be alive and hope people question the results.

Scum would want her alive for exactly that reason. There is no confirmation on the results

First things first, I trust Rex. I found him towny last DP, nothing here changes that. Whiteflame isn't an unreasonable track target.

So we know Rex targeted Whiteflame, and that he got the result that Whiteflame visited Shining. I do not believe there is any town reason to target Shining. The only mafia reason I can think of, is that scum has a role that deflects actions from themselves, to their target. It is possible that they could move actions from a teammate, to their target as well, depending on the answer to a question I want Rex to ask Pie.

In either situation, town Shining was chosen because there wasn't going to be any watching eye on him, and anything scum gets targeted with, goes to Shining.

However, if we think of a world where Shining is scum, the role responsible for this has to be a magnet.

I'm really struggling to see your point on Lunatic.

If he's scum, then it's really odd that he derailed the wagon against me. What's so hard to understand about that?

Its just odd you immediately accuse me of lying, it is almost hostile

You said this:

I honestly find it hard to believe we went from Lunatic Koolaid maning into the thread hours before DP1 ending saying Magoroth is totally scum and strong arming us into lynching him to Lunatic saying Casey is a little sus

Then I pointed out that Luna thinks I'm the least sus person in the group of four (me + my dream) other than himself, and you then say:

Now, DP2 Lunatic points out how its odd there is three investigatives and then drops it after. You are investigative. Thats why I pointed to you, you fall in that group.

But he never said I was sus! That's what I'm calling a lie.

Shining wrote:

Okay, so still not liking Lunatic. I honestly find it hard to believe we went from Lunatic Koolaid maning into the thread hours before DP1 ending saying Magoroth is totally scum and strong arming us into lynching him

I always find it amusing when people like you who take place on the same lynch, seem to think you are excused for being on the lynch because you weren't the one that led it. The alternative was lynching an inactive or no lynching. I had behavioral reads on mago, and elaborated them multiple times. I didn't just lynch him for the sake of lynching him.

to Lunatic saying Casey is a little sus.

Da fuq you talking about?

His claim seems off to me as well. My PM is more justified than "lol Krypton means hidden".

I have a ton of justification, that was a short summary.

Mikal wrote:

Im saying its utility. Literally. It validates so much

The she could be scum is a silver lining to it and cover bases

The broader appeal is it drastically nails down poe if she flips town.

Bro your utility lynch operates under the logic we have unlimited mislynches, and us blindly trusting your town, which we dont and I don't trust you, so why would we do this? Like if you are scum, we lynch casey and she flips town and then what do you do next day phase? You push me or bullish right? At that point she is confirmed a dreamer and thats the only options. The rest of town its a 33/33/33 chance of losing the game by mislynching one of us. That's pretty good odds for you.

We don't have mislynches to waste to just "test" casey for the sake of testing her lol. You have 0 actual reason to sus her other than "she could or would claim dreamer as scum" which is a massive shot in the dark. Like sure be open to that as a possibility, look for other reasons to scum read her though.

Dude can you get it through mikal's thick head that no matter if we lynch casey or not, there's at least 1 scum between the 4 of us, casey + her dreamer results. Confirmation of casey does literally nothing math wise. Utility my ass.

We have 2 lynches assuming 3 scum

Your argument is im one of the only people in town saying casey is a good lynch to promise shes not scum, to lock in results, and then as scum live through 2 day phases with focused results on that pool of 3 people?

How does that make any sense at all. Id go for an easy lynch not keep bashing my head on a wall because its the correct play

CLAIMS LIST

Magoroth - Calcium - Town Strengthener

Kohai - Helium - Town Activated Innocent Child

Lunatic - Krypton - Hider

REF - Technetium - 2x Tracker

Shining - ??? - ???

Mikal - Cobalt - Redirector

Thoth - Oganesson - unknown role

Bullish - Cesium - Time Traveller

Casey - Magnesium - Dreamer

Banana - ??? - ???

Whiteflame - Neodymium - Pseudo-Lightning Rod

Mag1cman - ??? - ???

Helz - ??? - Rolestopper

Only reason im voting bullish atm is because you two are drooling and forcing me to take it. Bullish is weird as shit but id rather see what she flips before I look that way. If she flips scum it all but confirms him

Given that Neodymium is literally the element famous for magnets, the only world in which Shining is a magnet is slim. Even if the role isn't called magnet, it still feels like the odds are slim.

I feel comfortable in asserting that Shining is town.

I have a ton of justification, that was a short summary.

Can you elaborate more?