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I was speaking hypothetically, setup spec. It’s not a balanced setup because scum can disable two of the town’s investigative roles and they have a Yakuza on top of everything.

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 10:17 AM (post #612)

I was speaking hypothetically, setup spec. It’s not a balanced setup because scum can disable two of the town’s investigative roles and they have a Yakuza on top of everything.

If you want to resort to balance arguments, go for it cause this is Banana’s second game. First game she got Mag1c to help her. I don’t think she got anyone this time. But just having a Framer and a Yakuza is not OP for scum against a Watcher, Cop, and Doctor in any scenario

I mean not alienating people is one thing but why do you not even suspect Luna/Thoth as evils lol

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 12:51 AM (post #593)

I’m a bit scared the Yakuza isn’t one-shot and we can’t actually win this game unless we kill the new Yakuza. Like Yakuza’d person keeps original abilities but what if they gain the Yakuza ability too lmao

That would be insanely OP

Going to bed, but yeah Pies defense is really shit. Wish you guys saw the writing on the wall last day phase when I tried to point out all the behavioral differences, took a result to get you guys there lol. I wasn’t just tunneling to tunnel. There was valid reason for the pie read. Oh well we got him now.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 30/08/2026 at 17:23 (post #613)

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/30/2026 at 10:17 AM (post #612)

I was speaking hypothetically, setup spec. It’s not a balanced setup because scum can disable two of the town’s investigative roles and they have a Yakuza on top of everything.

If you want to resort to balance arguments, go for it cause this is Banana’s second game. First game she got Mag1c to help her. I don’t think she got anyone this time. But just having a Framer and a Yakuza is not OP for scum against a Watcher, Cop, and Doctor in any scenario

I don’t think she would do this. I do pretty crazy setups with deception and shit and even I would think twice about doing this unless it was a dedicated setup and I warned ppl in advance things could get hairy which she didn’t say lol

Finding the last Mafia is gonna be wild.

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Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/30/2026 at 9:59 AM (post #607)

Town has a Watcher, Cop, Doctor. That combo is brutal.

Not so brutal when a Yakuza calls any investigative results before it flipped into question, as wylted pointed out in post #620, and can potentially detownify one of them.

And scum always have a counter to a Cop. Always, whether it’s GF, Lawyer, or Framer. Common sense is to frame me

It did cross my mind that you could have been framed, but I was sus of you to begin with, so I see my result as confirming my gutread rather than substituting for it.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/30/2026 at 9:44 AM (post #603)

I was the obvious frame target lol. Retarded selection on your part. Wryly, I get cause she’s a noob, but you’ve played forever. You never investigate the scummiest person.

Obvious frame target because you were scummy? I don't know what Wryly has to do with this, but I think she has been playing for slightly longer than I have.

Re: "You never investigate the scummiest person."

By that logic, scum should never frame the scummiest person since they will never be investigated, so this reduces to garden-variety WIFOM. Notwithstanding that this is an admission that you were the scummiest person, at least going into Night 1, unless you only meant the scummiest person from my perspective.

I lowkey think there's a framer but I feel like we have to cover for Pie being scum bc game theory

hmmmmm

lemme catch up before hammering plz

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 5:56 PM (post #627)

lemme catch up before hammering plz

1 person unvote plz

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:52 PM (post #626)

I lowkey think there's a framer but I feel like we have to cover for Pie being scum bc game theory

"Cover" meaning?

UNVOTE

Whatever u tell me to do bb <3 <3 <3

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 5:56 PM (post #629)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:52 PM (post #626)

I lowkey think there's a framer but I feel like we have to cover for Pie being scum bc game theory

"Cover" meaning?

"we got it covered" that kind of cover.

Odds are you're the lynch but lets put our heads together for in case you flip town

Originally Posted by Magoroth on 8/29/2026 at 2:33 PM (post #533)

ANYWAY. My claim.

I am the leader of “Colony”. I am female, I will look up my character’s name on request, I can’t be arsed to do it right now.

People come to me for advice

I have the unique ability that, if I die to a nightkill, or if I get voted, if the person who killed me is a member of the Mafia, all votes the following day are anonymous, meaning people have to vote by PMing Banana. You can still tell us who you voted for tho

why claim at this point in time?

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:00 PM (post #436)

Originally Posted by Mikal on 8/28/2026 at 6:53 PM (post #435)

Enough to glance. I think your town this game. Behvaior seems normal compared to last one. Back to being aggressive yada yada. Yakuza is dead so I can confirm myself. I blocked you from voting or being lynched

Any reason you chose me? Your probably town

such a fast clear for no reason

I'll hop on Champions after im done catching up

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 2:35 AM (post #467)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 5:46 PM (post #414)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/28/2026 at 4:44 PM (post #411)

Imma have to read up from last DP this evening since I missed about half of it. The good news is that the Yakuza does not change town/scum count versus a night-kill.

True. And it’s not like there were a lot of hard claims or anything so we are kind of just as much at square one as we were yesterday with the added benefit of knowing pie is likely confirmed scum based on kohai not voting him yesterday.

Or he was just framing me. Your mind is set anyways. If you have legitimate questions that would allow you to change your mind, feel free to ask

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 2:52 AM (post #483)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/29/2026 at 1:40 AM (post #470)

Originally Posted by Lunatic on 8/28/2026 at 9:32 AM (post #275)

If we lynch pie, and he flips scum, look into kohai. Pie has been strangely avoidant of him this game, he always pressures kohai.

This almost locks Lunatic or Pie as the other OG scum if you ask me.

Explain this logic to me. If I’m Kohai and know I’m the Yakuza. Do I take the lynch on Pie first and pray REF doesn’t get replaced or take the REF lynch and frame Pie at the same time? I think it’s common sense.

Credit to this, yes. But you're Pie. There's a chance Kohai wanted you on his team that badly.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:58 PM (post #632)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 5:56 PM (post #629)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:52 PM (post #626)

I lowkey think there's a framer but I feel like we have to cover for Pie being scum bc game theory

"Cover" meaning?

"we got it covered" that kind of cover.

I’m still not sure what you mean.

Originally Posted by ILikePie5 on 8/29/2026 at 2:05 PM (post #527)

Anyways, I’m going to get back to the strategy I came up with in Alien Mafia. The goal is to find the OG scum first based on motives of everyone. It does require everyone to full claim so that we can determine those motivations.

High level, I think we can eliminate Luna from the category because of his early attention on Kohai. I know I’m not scum. That leaves:

Perhaps, but he stuck to you. I like Lunatic on behavior, I'll say that. But in the same way DP1 I saw a world where Thoth was always your first choice and Kohai was second, I can see a world where Lunatic kept his sus on Kohai but was always gonna push you first. Worth noting.

Mag1c

I would've hammered you all day every day if I were scum. Last game, I pushed to get you lynched, and then killed you when I couldn't lol. Even if you stopped sussing me that game, it was worth killing you just so that you couldn't argue your way out of a lynch. You are the master of that.

Wylted

Thoth

Kohai was one of two original scum. Miller and cop go hand-in-hand, so odds are Thoth and Wylted confirm each other as OG town. Unless we really think Wylted pulled off a crazy big brain play. Wylted is capable but he loves his PGO/miller shenanigans, so I doubt it. He also hinted that he was miller before everyone entered thread, so he probably is just a real miller.

Mago

I don't know what to think of his claim or the timing of it. He followed his scum meta DP1, and with his partner being a yakuza, he would need to survive that DP.

Mikal

His claim is interesting. Given that it's in the game, Banana clearly had no problem with it being scum. The question is if she gave it to scum or if it were designed to be a role that scum could pick up. If it's the latter, not Mikal.

Mag1c is pure big brain. I can see the strategy with him and Kohai at EOD. Goal was to get REF so they could kill two birds with one stone and the switch to Pie was theatric. I think this is unlikely though, and my townread of him during DP1 was pretty solid.

Theatrical? lol how?

Also, you referring to yourself in the 3rd person gives me the impression you may have copy-pasted this from the scum chat. If this is the case, I expect a higher-level player to be with you in scum chat. I don't think a lower-level player would help you write a convincing reads list. You don't need the help, but I think you would accept it from a higher-level player.

Wylted is an interesting one. He’s pulled this Miller ploy before when he was scum with Luna. They basically cruised to the win in that game. I can see the same thing here. Take the fake claims. Soft claim Dreamer early and then come out with Miller.

He did this before? Wait, as in he claimed miller at the start, or that he faked something, then claimed miller later?

Thoth also is interesting, but is reliant upon Wylted. In certain ways they’re intertwined. I don’t think Thoth can be the OG if Wylted is telling the truth about Miller.

This.

Mago I can see being the OG scum. He was in the shadows (normal scum meta). The dynamic between him the Kohai was non existent. The questioning about Yakuza also came off a bit disingenuous to me, especially with the side quest of Tailor. No reason to believe there’s a Tailor or anything similar

Yup. Although I don't find his tailor musings to be completely unfounded. It's worth exploring, especially since it existed last game. This one would have to function differently than the last, sure, but I don't blame Magoroth for exploring the idea.

Mikal is hard to judge as OG scum from posts. Only thing there to read is Kohai chose REX over Casey/Mikal initially. The role Mikal has though is really powerful for scum if used correctly. It basically reduces a town vote. At 3-2 LYLO, town instantly loses because they lose the ability to gain a majority. Magistrate is also an exotic role. We have Watcher, Miller, Doctor, Cop, and then a Magistrate?

True. Saying it again, Banana is ok with scum having this role. Question is if she wanted scum to have it from the start, or if it were something cool scum could pick up. I somewhat lean toward the latter on mod psych, as the role has plenty of usage on either town or scum that way. I know if I gave a scum a recruitment mech, I would try to give town roles that would be like prizes for mafia recruiters. But my mind is open.

As for all the power roles town has: I can see them all with a yakuza in play. A recruitment isn't a roleblock, but since you change someone's affiliation, you prevent them from outing you as scum DP2 if they have a result. And if night actions process how I think, scum's recruit target shouldn't be ruled guilty the night they were recruited. I am asking Banana about this. It's not just relevant here; it's also relevant for the case against you.

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #638)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:58 PM (post #632)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 5:56 PM (post #629)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:52 PM (post #626)

I lowkey think there's a framer but I feel like we have to cover for Pie being scum bc game theory

"Cover" meaning?

"we got it covered" that kind of cover.

I’m still not sure what you mean.

think zone coverage then. I'm like a safety covering way downfield, refusing to give up a deep pass.

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 6:18 PM (post #640)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 6:33 PM (post #638)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:58 PM (post #632)

Originally Posted by Thoth on 8/30/2026 at 5:56 PM (post #629)

Originally Posted by Mag1cman on 8/30/2026 at 4:52 PM (post #626)

I lowkey think there's a framer but I feel like we have to cover for Pie being scum bc game theory

"Cover" meaning?

"we got it covered" that kind of cover.

I’m still not sure what you mean.

think zone coverage then. I'm like a safety covering way downfield, refusing to give up a deep pass.

So you think it's more likely than not that Pie was framed?