You guys know my pick is Caine at this point, so I’ll leave it there. Later.
You guys know my pick is Caine at this point, so I’ll leave it there. Later.
Alright, I’m out for the night. If that’s the end, so be it. If not, probably won’t survive the NP, so good luck guys.
Fuck it. We’re less than 5 minutes out from the end. I don’t love Caine or Brand, but I’ll go with the person I’m townreading most atm:
VTL: A-Brand
A-Llewella wrote:
Like really, Everyone suspects Caine/Random.
Does anyone think the other Mafia is not exactly Brand?
Pretty sure most of us suspect Caine/Brand.
I don’t see much point in doing Brand or Caine first, but it’s gotta be one or the other at this point.
A-Brand wrote:
Gun to your head, it's all up to you and you alone, who do you shoot?
Caine would be my pick right now, you’d be my second choice atm.
Do whatever you guys want them. Litrtally offering to solve the fucking game and can't do that either.
Breaking the game to solve it sounds worse than losing. I don’t mind tactics that the mod said are fine, but if it gets you mod killed, it’s just straight up flying in the face of how he wants this game to be played.
A-Llewella wrote:
Any thought on CFD to Brand?
I can see the logic at least.
A-Random wrote:
If I mod kill myself will the dp continue?
Really rather you didn’t do that. I don’t care what your alignment is, I’m against intentionally getting mod killed.
I can also make the same argument; If I was scum I’d kill Random via my jailor read on him + Gerard claimed vanilla early on via cryptography.
I mean… do you really want to revisit this point? You gave no indication that you thought Random was the Jailor DP2, dude. We’ve been over this. I can’t see into your head and figure out that you sussed this out.
See above Random’s insestemce he would kill Bleyes here based on who he is. This argument is garbage given the fact that he wouldn’t know until the start of this dp and that slot was sussed
Yes, it’s a confusing point. I saw that.
A-Caine wrote:
A-Deirdre wrote:
Not staying on too much later. I’ll post my vote in a bit if we don’t hear anything else from Llewella or Brand.
Let’s chat.
Anything new I should consider?
The thing is, the GF gets final say. Even if you don't want to shoot Gerard, Random, Caine can overrule if he got GF
Yeah, that crossed my mind as well. Ball wouldn’t be in Random’s court.
Not staying on too much later. I’ll post my vote in a bit if we don’t hear anything else from Llewella or Brand.
I’m here, don’t know about Brand or Llewella.
A-Bleys wrote:
I'm back a bit early. Llewella never added onto saying they returned?
Doesn’t seem like it, been in a holding pattern for a while.
I understand why I don’t look good and fully admit this was not my best town game. The thing is is that from the start of d2 I pushed Fiona hard.
And I’m still trying to decide if that push was planned or not. Fiona self-immolated, so I question if there was a purpose to it. Even if that had nothing to do with it, Fiona was guaranteed to be sussed early and often DP2. Getting on that wagon early isn’t as strong an indicator as I’d like.
Why does random not mention Fiona a single time in their iso except for when they vote him?
Why does Fiona also likewise not mention Random?
I’m not going to pretend that Random looks good in all this. Neither of you have, which is why I’ve held off on voting.
So we’re running short of time at this point. Seems like the biggest detractor on the Caine lynch is Llewella. Could you lay out the issue as clearly as possible? Seems like you’re pointing to posts he made about Fiona since you referenced it “wolf eating wolf play” if he’s scum and I’d like to understand where that’s coming from. Is it more than bussing?
A-Bleys wrote:
In about an hour I need to head out. In just under 2 hours I'll be at my destination and I won't be around for the rest of the DP. Would still love to hear from Llewella and Brand before finalizing my vote.
Same here. Tagged the former since it’s been a while since they’ve been on.
A-Random wrote:
Mag literally gave me permission .... I told him to ban it or let me do it and he asked what I would do. Told him he's let it go on so long its kinda intertwined.
So yes I had permission. Not trying to be a dickhead. After that it was a mistake and I cant remember who all these dumb names are. But im not doing weird shit. Just assigned values to who I think that slot is
I’ll take you at your word on that, I know a lot of this is not unusual for you generally.
A-Caine wrote:
Truthfully I am quitting mafia after this game, or at least on this site. I can’t fucking stand the constant rule violations and meta. If y’all wanna lose the game be my guest. I was the one who hard pushed Fiona yesterday.
I mean, I get the frustration, I’m sure Magoroth shares it. I’m not seeing great support for your being town based on what you’ve said in response to Bleys and me so far, so that’s not helping you and it has everything to do with your own posts. As for pushing Fiona, dude, that was hardly just you, and with his massive crash-out, it’s hard to even read that as townie.
A-Bleys wrote:
I have plans tonight, so I have roughly 2-3 hours to make my decision.
I’m fine making a call before too long. Seems like we’re on the same page.
A-Caine wrote:
I’m going about for a bit. Seriously consider the following question
Why do random and Fiona avoid talking about each other in their ISO? Random has plenty of time to read him as magic and call him magic but doesn’t form any read until he votes him after it is clear it is a done deal.
Not talking about each other doesn’t really say much, especially given what has apparently been a busy schedule for Random. That being said, I’m not townreading him over it, it just doesn’t ping me as scummy. Calling Fiona Magic was a bit odd, but that’s about it.
Random proved he cannot win this game without blatant rule violations, angleshooting. He doesn’t give a fuck about integrity. The team is random / brand. They don’t deserve the win.
You know Random well enough at this point to know that angleshooting is NAI for him. The rule violations I put down to frustration, being overly busy, possibly a lack of sleep and just not giving a fuck at times. NAI as well.
I’m seeing little reason to doubt that Caine is scum at this point, there’s just too much inconsistency in what he’s claiming he’s done and the reality of where it’s placed. I don’t love the push for the Jailor to out if he felt so strongly that Random was that Jailor. I get turning on him this DP after Random claimed if I believed that he was so certain of Random’s role, but that seems like an attempt to make his change of read on Random this DP sensible after townreading him solidly last DP. I’m giving him an opportunity to explain some of his choices and point out what he claims was an obvious read, but I haven’t seen anything substantial yet, just claims that he hasn’t played great which don’t explain the inconsistencies.
It is substantiated by my consistent town read on him that day phase.
...except you spelled out your reason for townreading him, saying it was the result of him continuing to pursue Oberon throughout the DP. Do you just want me to take it on faith that your read was the result of something else entirely?
I understand this game wasn’t my best. If I get mislynched and cause town to lose I’ll accept the blame.
I’d like a response to #289. One of your major defenses behaviorally has been that you had a DP2 read on Random that he was the Jailor. You’ve repeated that, and both Bleys and I have asked you to substantiate it. What did I miss in my ISO?
That part. Caine is trying very hard to confuse the order of events between D2 and D3 to retroactively apply their D3 stances to D2.
Yep, I’ve noticed that.
If that was the case then why didn’t Fiona just out right claim jailer?
…the assumption here was that scum didn’t know there wasn’t a living Jailor until the beginning of DP3. Fiona was lynched DP2. Does not compute.
Yes, but there's more nuance. I think by the beginning of D3 in particular they had enough reason to believe that the jailor was dead to consider setting up for a jailor fake claim.
Been thinking about that as well.