But it did upset people to the point they called to shut down the game.
Regardless of how effective it was in game advantage can we just acknowledge that sucks and will prevent people from wanting to play here?
But it did upset people to the point they called to shut down the game.
Regardless of how effective it was in game advantage can we just acknowledge that sucks and will prevent people from wanting to play here?
Imo the healthy thing is to acknowledge bad stuff happened and take corrective action so it does not happen again.
The unhealthy thing is to excuse what happened and ignore the problem allowing it to happen again.
Im not trying to sit around and point fingers at people. I do want to point fingers at a pattern of issues that’s harmful to the communities growth
Any community any game ever.
I would challenge any person in this community to show me a game they have played where both town and scum players declared they wanted the game shut down due to rule breaks
I’m sorry but if you can not recognize how insane it is for both town and scum players to call to shut down a game because of angleshooting rule breaking behavior we will not find common ground.
It does not matter that some people did not care about it. It’s a huge deal that it happened. This site needs to get right with following rules, not using OOG info and listening when they are told “do not do this” if this community is going to grow.
Excusing this behavior is wrong imo. I don’t care what DDO was and accepted. We can either grow past that toxic meta and expand or we can die in it. This is not normal for a mafia community
Lunatic wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
Yes, thieves do tend to think the rules are for retards and people who obey them are just wusses.
lmao bro this is a debate site we play mafia for fun. We’re all just nerds here, it’s not that serious. “Thieves” lmao your joking
Aa a debate site we will find every rule and bend them however we can and argue that we see following the rules
To be very clear. I have probably played more games of mafia than a huge portion of this games players combined.
The behavior of this community is outrageously out of line. Rule breaks happen. Cool, let’s learn and move on. People sitting around and excusing them is not great.
We need to come together here, acknowledge the bad and move forward if we want this community to grow.
No real high quality mafia player would ever play on this site again if they had this dumpster fire for a first experience and saw leadership excusing hardcore rule breaks
I think it’s being over exaggerated by the complainers. There was a lot of behavioral analysis in this game, I was putting mad hours into dp1, just for people to dismiss towns victory as bull shit because of rule breaks. I think people need to chill out with rule break accusations.
I see them as separate issues.
You played super well. Town in general was outgunned with little to work with and came out on top. I do not feel the bad stuff made that happen.
I so think the bad stuff existed and should be talked about though so future games can be more healthy. When you have an end of game with both town and mafia players saying the game should be shut down because of a players behavior there is obviously a big problem
Kohai wrote:
Lunatic wrote:
Magoroth wrote:
Yes, thieves do tend to think the rules are for retards and people who obey them are just wusses.
lmao bro this is a debate site we play mafia for fun. We’re all just nerds here, it’s not that serious. “Thieves” lmao your joking
Aa a debate site we will find every rule and bend them however we can and argue that we see following the rules
To be very clear. I have probably played more games of mafia than a huge portion of this games players combined.
The behavior of this community is outrageously out of line. Rule breaks happen. Cool, let’s learn and move on. People sitting around and excusing them is not great.
We need to come together here, acknowledge the bad and move forward if we want this community to grow.
No real high quality mafia player would ever play on this site again if they had this dumpster fire for a first experience and saw leadership excusing hardcore rule breaks
I feel like mommy and daddy are fighting right now as well. Lunatic and Mag are to massive positive things for this communities mafia stuff and it sucks seeing this hostility because people chose to break rules and angle shoot nonstop
Lunatic wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
Well let’s please seperate the issue of “people will know who others are” and the overt rule breaks of people hunting and talking about who they think people are.
These are separate concepts
The mod said this was okay lol. Can’t blame the player for doing what the mod allows just because they decided to change their mind later
I do not think they ever said it was ok. They just did not act on it for a while.
But even with that thought D3 players were hardcore told to get in line and stop breaking Anon. People chose to do it and put the host in a situation where they break the game to enforce rules or let it play out. That sucks. It’s just awful imo
Well let’s please seperate the issue of “people will know who others are” and the overt rule breaks of people hunting and talking about who they think people are.
These are separate concepts
Honestly I think it’s unfair to place all the blame on either side.
Could Mag have been more strict? Sure. But the fact that’s a point of discussion reflects the disregard for rules.
Saying there was no rule break? Fuck no. The rules were clearly established and ignored. At some point he flatly gave direct warnings and threats of mod kills to get people in line. Even with that Mestari chose to ignore those standards and cut to referencing real identities over and over at the end game. Absolute overt rule breaking that put the host in a position of choosing to not act or destroy the game.
Then they had the balls to leverage the potential of them breaking rules to get mod killed for an in game advantage.
Lets not sit here and act like this is innocent behavior. Do you guys even understand how difficult it’s going to be for me to bring high quality players here with this kind of conduct?
Ehh, Let me drop anon
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
You played very well. I think your individual play clearing yourself really closed the game up
I'm glad I didn't let myself get paranoid. You mentioned a GF D1 and Lord of Chaos flipped GF/Goon. I'm used to GF meaning "investigates innocent". I realized it was being used to mean "controls the kill" and that you and Mago come from the same place so that's where the GF terminology came from
Yeah. I had a bit of an edge mechanically knowing Mag pretty well and having a solid understanding of what this game was based on when I read the roles list.
I was very wrong on Caine but also the moment Brand flipped wolf I would have done a 180 there. Honestly I do not see how the scum would have had a shot had the game gone on.
I was trying to shade that Jailor could still exist and I either was Jailor or was jailed to throw WIFOM to cover Deirdre. Duno if that woulda played out but I expect Kohai would have picked up on the potential at least.
You played very well. I think your individual play clearing yourself really closed the game up
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Random wrote:
Was obvious lol. But I get you guys needed time to get there.
I do not ever see hardline wolf eating wolf plays as one submarines themselves. That threw me for a loop.
I didn't see it as wolf eating wolf. Fiona was the obvious D2 lynch
He was hard shoving them prior to Fiona's claim blunder.
This means they made the decision in wolf chat to make the play prior to Fiona making themselves sus as hell.
A-Random wrote:
Was obvious lol. But I get you guys needed time to get there.
I do not ever see hardline wolf eating wolf plays as one submarines themselves. That threw me for a loop.
A-Caine wrote:
Fuck it. We concede. Congrats on your poorly earned win.
I am quitting mafia forever. Goodbye.
Im really sorry you are quitting mafia. I enjoyed playing with you.
I get that there is some toxic norms in the community at the moment but its not that hard to change in such a small community.
Oh shit. It was Caine/Brand.
I did not see that coming
A part of me still hopes that Jailor just withheld claiming and they will block the kill tonight ending the game.
Or is there a reason I think that? Hmmmmm
I really am town. Just doing my more transparent open town play today and dropping some of my smoke and mirrors because of the gamestate.
Just wait until you see me go all out power town : )
VTL: A-Brand
I gotta throw this down to put em on the table
Fuck..
I can be willing to sheep you guys but I am really stuck on Caine shoving Fiona to death. It was beyond bussing to the point it had to be a wolf intentionally eating another wolf. Thats just not a normal play and a huge deal in my head.
Randoms angling behavior bothers the hell out of me right now to the point I do not want to look at it independent of alignment.
For me that leaves brand as an option. I do not think I am crossing over to Bleys today and the 3 players I suspect are town (Deirde, Bleys, and Caine) every single one of them is pointing a finger at Brand
Like really, Everyone suspects Caine/Random.
Does anyone think the other Mafia is not exactly Brand?
A-Brand wrote:
They avoided anything to do with the dead mafias train D2 and just threw a vote on the pile at the very last second to be on the right wagon.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, this isn't true. I never actually got on Fiona's wagon D2, though I supported it. Just was waiting for Bleys, then I went inactive by EoD.
A-Bleys wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
A-Bleys wrote:
Shotgun style, how quickly can you tell me why Brand is most scum?
Early game we had trains offsetting Brand. We had a flipped mafia pushing to keep them off the table EoD1. They avoided anything to do with the dead mafias train D2 and just threw a vote on the pile at the very last second to be on the right wagon.
First bits that come to mind
Okay, so Brand is scum, how does Random make more sense as a partner than Caine, WRT #128?
I prefer to favor individual reads over association hunting. I have been on plenty of mafia teams where wolves just avoid etch other and do not have any coordinated patterns or even make any plays that consider their team mates in order to break hunting.
I also just voiced how one of the few strong association indicators I saw was from Caines vote choice EoD1 so flipping Brand helps solve Caine
A-Brand wrote:
Gun to your head, it's all up to you and you alone, who do you shoot?
Right now it would be you. I am literally advocating for you to swing at this moment.
A-Bleys wrote:
Shotgun style, how quickly can you tell me why Brand is most scum?
Early game we had trains offsetting Brand. We had a flipped mafia pushing to keep them off the table EoD1. They avoided anything to do with the dead mafias train D2 and just threw a vote on the pile at the very last second to be on the right wagon.
First bits that come to mind
A-Deirdre wrote:
A-Random wrote:
If I mod kill myself will the dp continue?
Really rather you didn’t do that. I don’t care what your alignment is, I’m against intentionally getting mod killed.
100%
A-Caine wrote:
A-Llewella wrote:
Any thought on CFD to Brand?
I’d consider this.
Im only about it if Deirdre entertains the idea. My biggest concern with you is that EoD1 you could have tied up the votes with either Brand or Flora. You picked Flora so having a Brand flip tells us that piece.
Im still stuck on how much of a deep wolf play it would be for Caine to eat a fellow wolf. Its some shit I do sure and get my team to do sure. I just have never seen it happen without me making it happen ever. Makes me very hesitant to vote Caine
While I do not appreciate what Random is doing now angling on mod kills they are flailing all over the place in ways that 'might' be town? If they are doing this level of shit as scum I am going to be disappointed in their behavior.
That makes me turn my head and look at Brand
Any thought on CFD to Brand?