Banana

Abandoning the drunk shtick now would only confirm his guilt and eliminate any possibility of averting a lynch. A self-vote can be unvoted; nothing can erase the evidence of abandoning drunkvoice completely and not getting modkilled.

hes already admitted dfeat and vote himself, he could just not do it and get killed for it from his mech

That said, I'm open to hearing arguments that I'm wrong

its not about right and wrong, his lynch is prolly gona happen, just want there to be some effort going into what we do if we are wrong. who is scum on this wagon and why? how many ppl get to use the pass of "we lynched him cuz dumb"? every1? or just some ppl? what do we gain from coming to the conclusion we were wrong and it was just kohais fault, not ours. just want to get effort from more ppl. casey and mago barely posted and ultra is very sus.

Thoth wrote:

Let me put it like this. We VTNL or lynch someone today. I doubt we will VTNL. Even if we are not sure that Kohai is scum, he is clearly the scummiest option.

we still have til 11 tmorrw so this is a bit early to have this discussion

Helz wrote:

I agree that the drunken thing is off. But its something thats been off about their role from the start of the day. Im still seriously stuck on that being in the game. I would have literally hard considered replacing out of a game if the host gave me a post restricted VT role under the threat of mod kill. I just don't see that especially with the mod kill thing last game.

arent u the guy that purposely gives himself post restrictions to challenge himself?

Helz wrote:

I suppose its possible. The immediate potentials I am thinking-

1- Banana truly believes it was a gambit and I am just not understanding the level of confidence they have in their conclusion

its not confidence, just skeptcsm about everyone being eager to lynch him so quick and i was town reading him before that happened

2- Banana is spoiled by being scum and knowing the scum team grabbing town cred

if we have to lynch him im okay with it, but arugments like this happen every game, no one actually thinks some1 as scum gives them that much town cred. just trying to get max use from this if we are going to do it, and get ppl to get into better reasons why he is the lynch. that way if he IS town we can do something with it

3- Banana is spoiled by some other mech thing and not revealing

4- Banana is just a nice person and genuinely is buying the ATE

whats ate again

i also dont get why he continues the drunk thing after voting for himself and accepting defeat.

Because retracting that would make him look even more dishonest?

i mean he already self voted and acceptd his fate tho lol

I can see a world where he is town, but I don’t think it’s likely, and Mafia is a game of working from what is most likely true, not what is guaranteed.

got it, so what do we learn if he is town tho? what connections or associations do we make to go fwd, or do we just shrug and go "kohai was stupid, its his fault" and bsacly waste dp1?

Helz wrote:

Banana wrote:

seems I’m outnumbered here on kohai. my one request is that we honor the potential of him being town at least and push for anything from ultra. Bcuz if ultra ends up being scum and we mislynch kohai here it’s just extra salt in te wound if we let him go by without saying things.

Why are you so convinced they are town? Any thoughts on the other issues I pointed out

i havent read your big post yet, ive got like 3 ppl arguing with me about it so ill have to go thru that later, but its not so mch that im convinced hes town, mor that i dont really feel that confident about it. i dont see y to go thru all this effort with the drunk posting frst of all if hes scum, theres better claims. scnd wehn weve seen him as scum before he has slipped, but this isnt a standard slip it is much different, its based on a play he was making as a bait. i agree it is a stupid play, but he seems genuine. i also dont get why he continues the drunk thing after voting for himself and accepting defeat. i think he made a bad decision, but sometimes town do that too, we have seen it a lot, and i know for one i have done it a lot too. if he is the lynch im fine with it, i understand it, but i think we should be looking at people who are all in on this and not givin him any town credence. i just dont see why no one can see a world where he is town.

seems I’m outnumbered here on kohai. my one request is that we honor the potential of him being town at least and push for anything from ultra. Bcuz if ultra ends up being scum and we mislynch kohai here it’s just extra salt in te wound if we let him go by without saying things.

does scum kohai whose voting himself bother keeping up the drunk schtick? whats the point if he is already thinking he’s doomed? why isn’t it possible he’s just town and made a mistake

Kohai wrote:

VTL: Kohai

jvst kill me nd m0ve on. cya po$st game. Im so dune with mafia after dis

dont quit

Kohai wrote:

Banana wrote:

if kohai is town I think there is scum in helz/mikal/wryly who are all pushing this logic pretty heavy

Agreeed. I ammm so fvcking tempted to just post mey role PM nd modkill myvelf, but I dunt think dat would be fair to luna or otherz.

Truth be told, I'm just a fvcking autistic retard and am completely dune with mafia. I kompletely misr3ad whut luna. st@ted to me.

@ least my lycnh will give tuwn valuable info.

im just gonna stick to cocding nd deb8s. I'm way too autistick for mafia

none of this makes me scum read u lol mistakes happen we all make em i have too

Mikal wrote:

You aren't reading the slip part. Read again. Slip has nothing to do with what I was pushing him for

i read the part about him lying about the number.

if kohai is town I think there is scum in helz/mikal/wryly who are all pushing this logic pretty heavy

Wryly wrote:

Banana wrote:

Wryly wrote:

*massages temples*

We are already giving this Discord exchange more oxygen than it should be given. I'm now in a position where I have to wonder whether Kohai and Thoth were discussing Mikal's post edit in scumchat or Mikal is scum and characteristically grabbing any OOG branch he can to whack town over with. OOG discussions shouldn't be tipping the scales for me like this.

i say we ignore it entirely

Will be hard to do now that we have a bead on Kohai -- he's already indicating it confirms the Kohai-Thoth connection. Probably won't let it go.

i don’t see how they are connected even if we buy it is a slip. Kohai publicly said Mikal edited a post and then Thoth made a joke about it. how does that indicate them being in a pm

if ultra gets out of this without doing anything ill be a lil miffed ngl

Wryly wrote:

*massages temples*

We are already giving this Discord exchange more oxygen than it should be given. I'm now in a position where I have to wonder whether Kohai and Thoth were discussing Mikal's post edit in scumchat or Mikal is scum and characteristically grabbing any OOG branch he can to whack town over with. OOG discussions shouldn't be tipping the scales for me like this.

i say we ignore it entirely

Didn’t tag

I am not going to pretend I dont have an ogi thing that he confirmed himself. The him and thoth both complaining to luna bothers me and its making me look at the stuff hes saying harder as that dm read as if they were both interested complaining to him and that makes me think same pm

im pretty much ignoring this outside conversation. its not even that convincing anyway.

1) claim or die - on owen. Intense pressure and escalation out of no where. The progression of that push is weird. Its not a bsd choice but its a strange push that developed quickly and odd 

very weak reason especially since u say its not a “bad choice” and makes me interested why u dont seem to care at all about making ultra do any sort of work, put any sort of effort in, and basically are defending him by proxy

2) anytime I've seen speech restrictions as a modifier. Its do x or die. His is. Try to do x and I may or may not kill you. I've never seen that modifier like that. Anyone can attest to that who's been in games with speech modifiers

have u ever seen kohai make a claim like this as scum? it jus seems like a lot of effort to not accomplish anything. it’s not like most ppl are widely town reading him for it. i just don’t see the strategy as scum here and he does seem like a good mislynch for scum to pursue

Helz wrote:

Mikal wrote:

So luna arbitrarily decides if you are acting drunk enough. There is not a "if you miss doing it post"

I lowkey hate this.

I've seen this modifier used multiple times but never at a moda discretion. It gives you the ability to say oops I missed a post and have a justification if you dont die.

Thats what I am saying. Its like a blackmailer demand.

He is claiming to not just be vanilla but with a posting restriction that could get him killed. I kinda call bullshit but I do not know if this is normal here. Its taking a role who's only real value is using their voice in chat and insulating TPR's from the night kill and nerfing the major thing they have screwing with how they talk.

Is anyone else getting the feeling that this is out of place?

it seems anti town util but that is something we get in games sometimes like Miller or hated townie, roles designed to be mislynchable

ur focus on kohai and his role is a bit over board imo. would like to see your attention divert a bit because he has full claimed and compiled with every question u asked of him

Wryly wrote:

Catching up. I'm confused as to why Mikal seemed to assume Kohai was a vanilla before Kohai even claimed.

good point

Wryly wrote:

Banana wrote:

can we try something wierd guys? just indulge me. its about the pms.

what does your pm say. does it say you win with the town or something like that? if everyone could tell me what theirs says exactly i would appreciate it. i might not be onto something here but i just wanna check

mine says 'you win with the town'

Looks like this line of inquiry was abandoned, but what were you getting at here?

not abandoned. who do u with with? I may let u guys no in a later dp if this pans out

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

If I had to choose one person to lynch right now it would be banana. I stated why earlier, and as previously stated I do suspect there was at least one scum on my wagon. I have really mixed feelings about Kohai right now, I'm going to reread the discourse on that and make up my mind.

Pie seems to be himself, maybe even a little less aggressive than normal. The slightest town read. I'm unfamiliar with Helz, but they're coming off as towny to me so also a slight town read there.

I would definitely like to see some more activity from Mago and Casey, allthough I think Casey stated that she was going to be busy.

funny that ur 2 scum reads are ppl who vote u

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

I'll give my reads this afternoon or tonight when I actually have time to mull things over, and I'll give my full claim if y'all actually want it, though the reason you do is still unknown to me

u have basically done nothing this game but a “joke vote” and omgus me for voting you. seems like your lurking from the shadows

I would like to get the thoughts of some of the less active players like Casey and Margo

you are a less active player as well

ILikePie5 wrote:

Banana wrote:

can we try something wierd guys? just indulge me. its about the pms.

what does your pm say. does it say you win with the town or something like that? if everyone could tell me what theirs says exactly i would appreciate it. i might not be onto something here but i just wanna check

mine says 'you win with the town'

You win with the Town. Don’t know what your objective with this is, but no reason for Luna not to use the same phrasing. I know I do in my games to avoid this angle

ty if this pans out to something I’ll let you guys know but I’ll keep this in the back pocket for now

ILikePie5 wrote:

Banana wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Kohai wrote:

whiteflame wrote:

Can someone point me to the reason for sussing Ultra? Is it just the VTL out of nowhere?

1. VTL out of nowhere with poor reasoninggg behind it. Et waz literaly just an OMGUS bote.

2. He den completely disappeared

3. Haz little interactions and kontent.

4. Ergo dis is a good slot to presssire.

2-4 I get. The first is harder to read given his interaction with Rex.

interestin defense. lets flip this around, do you town read him, n if so why?

I dont buy WF pseudo-defending his partner like that this early in the game. They’re likely different affiliations if one is scum.

i just don’t get why ppl jump to others defense instead of letting them answer for themselves

Kohai wrote:

ILikePie5 wrote:

The fact that Ultra showed up 2 minutes after Banana and Kohai put votes on them has to be AI between the 3 of them

ya. Annaaa waz teh one who sheep’s meye vote

i have my own reasons for ultra and was about to vote him anyway

Ultracrepidarian wrote:

Banana is my top scum lean currently

1 - tried to make me full claim on the grounds of an obvious joke vote, then when I didn't immediately comply with that demand said I was stalling

i didn’t vote you for the joke it was for the because of ur behavior. u basically said or did nothing all day. also what is the joke because all i saw was the vote on Rex without context. n u basically did nothing else all game

2 - Im heavily leaning toward number three being the lie, and banana's opening behavior with immediately soft claiming is very in line with that.

litrly everyone is rping

i will say 'claim or die' is a bit much but otherwise i liked his read on ultra

i think he’s town honestly

All this effort to fake post