Banana

I don't think we can assume much of anything about the split at this point. Thoth was asking earlier about whether we're all real people and, from the looks of things, everyone falls into that category. We know that scum were given 4 questions, which suggests they needed both fake character and role claims and therefore couldn't just straight up claim their characters (I doubt Pie gives them that many questions if they could), so whoever scum is, they're not straight up MAGA figures. As has been suggested by several people, though, that leaves a lot of options. Could be Democrats are scum, could be former MAGA members or at least complicated figures in the space, could be RINOs or Republicans who are outright antagonistic to Trump. Thoth pointed back to where Pie said that the game encompasses "various players in the MAGA Movement," but that might just apply to town members and not to scum.

i think we will learn more about the theme as we progress in the game, but yeah the soft claim list is def a good start

i mean if you think about it, its MAGA mafia, so why would there be any dems at all

Shining, Banana, Kohai, and Mag1c are all in the Trump administration currently

Wylted, REF, Magoroth, Thoth and I are all in Trump's orbit and are/were not in the Trump administration 1.0/2.0

Wylted, Magoroth, and Thoth have either said straight up or insinuated that they are/were political figures

I'll give a little bit more detail for my softclaim as well. My character has not (yet) held any political office.

from this it seems pretty clear that there are either no dems or dems are scum. which means the theme split could be potentlly complex if its not just dems vs repubs.

im thinking theres something to this tho that will become clear when more people are in the graveyard

I get your logic, I just don't function under the pretense that the first person we push to claim will be scum. It's not super likely and the result of anyone else claiming is that it narrows the available options for fake claims to ask about. We will have to pursue claims regardless, but my point was that we have to be careful about how many claims we get this DP so as to reduce the information scum have on hand. We should limit the field of choices by as little as possible so that when scum ask their questions, they are more likely to be told a given character or role are in the game and therefore have to just guess at who and what roles are not, increasing the chances they're CC'd.

well ur much more experienced than me so i will take your word for it. im not fully suggesting we claim frivosly but mostly trying to say that if we have a good scum pursuit and say they are acting super scummy to multple ppl we should not be afraid to pursue a claim from them to alleviate the pressure, tho i guess thats kind of obvious that someone close to getting lynched would probably claim first.

I never suggested this. Usually I ignore these statements but I have found for whatever reason if statements like this go unchallenged then people end up believing them, especially if any discussions pop up around them.

sorry i meant thoth and kohai

I'm of the opinion that theme analysis ends up being worthless 80% of the time. There can be a bumch of different things the theme could be and thene basically only exists as an extra hurdle for mafia to leap over.

ur not wrong, but anything that generates activity and gets people talking, forming opinions and conclusions, and getting us more of a read on them can't be bad for the game can it? theme isn't everything, i actually think behavior is more important, but since we dont have a ton of that to go on i think this can get the ball rolling

what do we think about other republican candidates who ran against trump at one point in time but ended up supporting him later? good or bad?

okay i am coming around to the idea that thoth could be solid town at this point, that is a lot of unnesecary info for scum to give unless they are just this confident in their fake claim this early.

They held political office once, but it looks to me like they no longer held any office by 2016

oooo i think i know who u r :)

My character was never in the Trump administration

again a few people pop in my mind in conjunction with what you said on page one, but ill keep them to myself for now

You mean Debateart?

yeah

Sounds like a testable hypothesis

plz dont spam me unless im inactive

Soft-claiming is mainly to lock scum in to fewer possible characters so they have a harder time fake-claiming later. It can also spur theme analysis.

ive played in a fair few games on debatecraft so i know what soft claiming is and why you do it. i just dont understand why you would soft claim something if you think it applies to almost every character option in the game. thats like saying my character has eyes ears and a mouth. also i didnt view your soft claim like that, i had a very narrow few people aimed down when you soft claimed, so this doesnt apply to me. i just want to know what you think you were accomplishing with the claim if you personally dont think the soft accomplished much.

That's kinda my point. When you say you townread someone this early and there's no confirmation either, it's understood that the townread is just a tiny townread.

idk i dont think assuming peoples intention is a great way to solve people in a game like this. you should take them literally and ask as many questions as possible if you are truly trying to be open minded, which if you are town you would right?

potential characters in this game could be the following i think.

cabinet: lee zeldin, kelly loefler, pam bondi, john ratcliffe, tulsi gabbard, russel vought, brooke rollins, howard lutnick, pete hegseth, linda mcmahon, chris wight, robert kennedy jr, kristi noem, scott turner, doug burgum, lori chavez-deremer, marco rubio, doug collins, sean duffy, scott bessent, jamieson greer.

my character is in the above list, since i basically already softed that.

since it seems like some people have hinted at being supporters of trump there could be others like: elon musk *maybe not because of that recent feud*, sarah palin who endorsed trump in 2016, marjorie taylor greene, ron desantis, theres a few more i am spacing on as well. basically anyone on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_politicians_associated_with_Trumpism

if pie went with the pop culture route, kanye west, mel gibson, kid rock, nicki minaj who recently made healines voicing support for trump https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/22/entertainment/nicki-minaj-donald-trump-fan

no one has hinted at any leftists being in the game, so the theme split may be just dems vs repubs like thoth and wylted suggested, so i wont pitch any of those but we should be on the lookout for them as they do still stand out.

just some ideas on some characters i can see being in this game.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I think Pie has enough personal investment in this theme that scum are going to be obviously opposed to Trump. Probably Hillary and Tim Kaine.

maybe but it seems like a lot of games ive played in the themes dont seem very black and white, good vs evil. but yeah if pie is that invested maybe ur right

Nice to peel meet you.

good one...

I hate it when people ping me for activity. If I'm around to read your notification, I'm going to be as active as I can be given other things to do. If I'm not around to be active, I'm not around to get your notification. All you did is clog my notifications center and give me more things to "Mark as Read".

agree to disagree then. i just have a bad memory and am easily distracted tho so maybe notifications help me more.

There's not. You can't really read someone this early unless there's mechanical confirmation like Popular or Innocent Child, or the most blatant scumslip. We all understand that early reads come with asterisks and wide confidence intervals. It's still good for people to post reads so we can see how their behavior and their real or supposed reads change throughout the game.

i get that but dont expect me to conform with that. i want to watch and weigh people out a bit more before i send them a town read. and early scum reads make more sense to me than early town reads from people if they are town.

Most of them?

if you believe that is the case then what were you hoping to accoplish with ur soft claim and what do you think of whiteflame giving you a easy town read for it?

also i dont think i know most of you on this playerlist. i recognize like 2 names. looking forward to meeting you all!

as far as reads go, i dont have anything solid yet. my biggest opinion so far is that i think town reads are being thrown around a little too easily atm, which feels kind of suspicious. i know i am being voted for activity which is fine, but just curious how often is the inactive players actually scum these days? it seems like scum getting discord notifications would be more likely to check on the site and post, or at least i think i personally would. sometimes i need reminders to check game because i forget, and as scum it would be easier to do. magicman seems to be town reading everyone, i dont really see how there is enough information in under 4 pages of the game to be town reading everyone so easily. also i kind of dont like whiteflames read on thoth, but i do suppose i get the idea behind it. it just seems like maybe a read that should maybe at most give him a little town cred, but his soft still kind of applies to multiple people. also we dont know if mafia used all 4 questions right at the start, we are just kind of assuming they are holding on to them. just my 2 cents. ill try to keep up and follow better from now on

So I don't really know how to soft my character without straight giving it away outside of what whiteflame asked for categories... i thought of a few different things i could say but they all kind of heavily hint at what i am. so my solution is to just soft anyway. plus idk if i will be super active because i forget to check in a lot, and since i am the last to really post anything yet i might as well just do it. my character deals with money. i know that kind of gives it away but ya but hopefully that helps some of you. at least you know that i am not waiting around to claim a character until the questions are used up, so youd have to buy that if im scum i just chose to lock in my claim before knowing what really anyone else is

How about everyone softs the following:

A) You currently in the Trump administration

B) You were in the Trump administration (first or second term, don't have to specify)

C) You are not in the Trump administration, but are in Trump's orbit

mine is in the A category

OK. I can buy this. I can soft that I've been a major cabinet member to Donald Trump and one of his most loyal supporters.

i can think of a few people who this could apply to as well

For the sake of thematic analysis, I'm going to softclaim that my role PM mentions some stuff that happened quite a bit after the 2016 election cycle.

interesting i can think of a few people who this could apply too

Considering that Pie usually gives scum the entire DP to ask these questions, the more claims we give by the end of the DP, the easier we make it for them to pick characters and roles that they can use as fake claims.

tru but if the person pressured to claim first is scum also they will be in a predicament where they have to quickly use there questions, so someone delaying a claim could be a good lead, or they are just a power role or something. I am not suggesting we claim or anything, just kind of curious how we pursue someone we suspect if we dont want them to claim ya know

The theme split could be something like christ cucks vs the rest of MAGA. So maybe Charlie Kirk is in there or maybe America first vs maga or maybe like foreign shills such as tucker Carlson vs maga or maybe even pajeet adjacent vs maga such as Vance and Ramaswamy. It could be any number of things.

Interesting theory but i kind of doubt this

Current Games:

Vader- HBCBM - DP2

Sign-ups:

ILikePie5 - MAGA Mafia

In the Hopper:

Mikal - Hero Academia Mafia

REF - Ruyi Zhuan Mafia

Lunatic - Movie Directors Mafia

Kohai - open setup uPick 

Savant - Andor Mafia

Thoth - Culture Mafia

Banana- idk know yet, maybe someone can help me mod my first one.

On Hold:

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Wylted - Lulsec

Are you from DART? I was not on there as far as Mafia is concerned.

Yeah I play a little bit on dart, but im not very good still

/in

Screw Trump.